The Economic Prostitution Crisis

[Krustee]

Grab a Clue

What are you insinuating there Melissa?

I have done nothing but agree with you gals & point out that we need to be more understanding.

What do I have to do here?


Guys - PLEASE - go see these gals & ensure you tip them well because they are working hard for you! (or on you - depends on the position)

 

[Violet]

I don't think us men should ever expect you to work more than 20% of the hours regular people work for a living.

How would you know how many hours the average SP works? I was clearly only using 20 hrs of appointment time a month as an EXAMPLE, not saying that most SPs only work 20hrs a month. And as I already said, 20hrs of APPTS does not mean that she only WORKS 20 hrs a month.

Why don't YOU become an SP? I am sure there are plenty of nice men who would be willing to pay you $100 an hour, since you would be kind enough to give them a break since the economy isn't doing too great, & you could do 40 hrs of appointments a week & tell us spoiled women how easy it was.

 

[Violet]

What are you insinuating there Melissa?

I have done nothing but agree with you gals & point out that we need to be more understanding.

Oh I suppose we are all imagining that tone of sarcasm in your posts, plus we should ignore all the things you say to the contrary?

 

[Krustee]

Why don`t YOU become an SP? I am sure there are plenty of nice men who would be willing to pay you $100 an hour, since you would be kind enough to give them a break since the economy isn`t doing too great, & you could do 40 hrs of appointments a week & tell us spoiled women how easy it was.

Aw honey, you haven`t met me before have you?


There`s just no way I could do what you do!

read here:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=823650#post823650

 

[Violet]

So what if you are ugly? Not all female SPs are gorgeous. Believe it or not but one can be successful in this business despite being not traditionally good-looking. There is a market for all body types etc, & not everyone has the same tastes in looks. But even if everyone though you were ugly I'm sure you could make up for it with your steller service & perhaps you could offer BBBJ & Greek at no extra charge.

 

[wess]

I disagree with this whole-heartedly. MOST men that I know, including myself, enjoy the variety of seeing multiple women. If I see a woman (that I am not in a committed relationship with) more than once or twice, I become easily bored. There are a select few that I know of that are seeking the emotional aspect, but that is not the norm.

What about a girl that goes the extra mile for you ? My regular lets me do anything i want so i have no reason to go anywhere else. We have sex like champions.

 

[FortunateOne]

Oh I suppose we are all imagining that tone of sarcasm in your posts, plus we should ignore all the things you say to the contrary?

Exactly. Contempt and disparaging comments? It was my understanding that Krustee makes oodles of money, with such a high IQ and all those degrees he's got, not to mention all those classic and wonderfully expensive cars. Seems to me if money is a bit tight he could just sell the bike, or one of his other many vehicles.

Point is, women's work is devalued by certain types of men in order to make themselves feel more important and special. Maybe he just doesn't get that if sps don't value themselves in such a way that they can feel good about doing this sort of work, they will simply quit the biz.

I also haven't noticed a lot of cafes or restaurants offering me better deals because I am a frequent customer or because sales are down. Nor do I walk in there and offer them unsolicited advice on how to make their regular customers happy. I am only one customer out of many many others; I have no idea who else they see & what sort of service they get or don't get. I kind of think that in this case it is them who is the one with the knowledge of their field, not me even tho I am a regular customer who stops by a couple of times a month. I don't pretend I know more than they do about their own biz, and I don't insult them with comments about how overpaid they are for what little they do -- after all, all they do when I come in is fill up a coffee cup. How hard can that be?

 

[upherbum]

Exactly. Contempt and disparaging comments? It was my understanding that Krustee makes oodles of money, with such a high IQ and all those degrees he's got, not to mention all those classic and wonderfully expensive cars. Seems to me if money is a bit tight he could just sell the bike, or one of his other many vehicles.

Point is, women's work is devalued by certain types of men in order to make themselves feel more important and special. Maybe he just doesn't get that if sps don't value themselves in such a way that they can feel good about doing this sort of work, they will simply quit the biz.

I also haven't noticed a lot of cafes or restaurants offering me better deals because I am a frequent customer or because sales are down. Nor do I walk in there and offer them unsolicited advice on how to make their regular customers happy. I am only one customer out of many many others; I have no idea who else they see & what sort of service they get or don't get. I kind of think that in this case it is them who is the one with the knowledge of their field, not me even tho I am a regular customer who stops by a couple of times a month. I don't pretend I know more than they do about their own biz, and I don't insult them with comments about how overpaid they are for what little they do -- after all, all they do when I come in is fill up a coffee cup. How hard can that be?

ummm...have you heard about the new Starbucks breakfast combos? If that's not more for less I'm not sure what is.

 

[CaraClementine]

I've said it before...... and it's worth repeating:

HIGHER RISK OCCUPATIONS HAVE TO BE WELL COMPENSATED.

Whats so hard to understand about that.

 

[FortunateOne]

ummm...have you heard about the new Starbucks breakfast combos? If that's not more for less I'm not sure what is.

Oddly, that would be under the nothing new category. Most places have always had these combos, no? Even 7-11, lol.

 

[trackstar]

Wow....this topic will never die

It's kind of hard to take your complaint seriously when you are contributing to its longevity, no?

 

[hunsperger]

...

Wow....this topic will never die

Sure, you may see a bunch of brand new girls entering the biz, but you may very well find that a lot of the successful girls will limit themselves to regulars, or may leave the business all together. Why? Because they may see it as far less profitable as opposed to some other business sector where they are trained, or they'll get sick of dealing with disrespectful assholes who always want a "deal".

Somehow, too many men find our services to be an obligation, when really, we have every right to decide to not see whoever we'd like for whatever reason. Since we are using our BODIES in order to make money, we are given the right to decide whatever the heck we want to charge. If a well established girl is satisfied with the clientelle base she has, she won't be lowering her rates. Hell, she might even pick up another job in the meantime to compensate. We do NOT have to lower our self worth in order to make money. There will always be men willing to pay our posted rates, just as there will always be men seeking a "deal".

Before making judgements about how little work we do, please put yourselves in our shoes. The hour prep time for a call sure makes rates well worth it in my opinion. If you want me to lay there like a dead bug, not shower before hand, no makeup, no lingerie, no clean sheets, and let myself go physically for a discounted rate, then I'm all for it. However, don't expect a blow job, a tit fuck, thigh highs, fetish play, or even a shaved bush...maybe i'll even let my leg hair grow a little between days. After all, you're paying just enough for me to be a HOLE, so I'll put in just enough effort to be a HOLE--I'll spread my legs.

I actually do love my job. I have NO issues getting prettified, and washing my sheets 6 times a week, for a GENTLEMAN who actually appreciates what I do. However, for the common cheap ass, who is looking for street walker rates, I couldn't be bothered. Yeah, I have a GREAT full time job, and I make good money. Yeah, I moonlight as an escort, because I am greedy, and I will fully admit that. But just because I make good money, doesn't mean I have to give myself away, no matter how many men bitch and complain and bargain. I mean, do you really think that I would be sleeping with the majority of the men I do if I weren't getting PAID for it???? (Nothing against you guys, just out of the scene, i keep sex limited to relationships, and always have) And, at the end of the day, there are gonna be less and less women who give into these men, and the cheapasses are gonna get fucking bored of their hands.

When you find a 4 star restaurant making high quality food for the price of McDonalds, let me know, K? Maybe then I'll consider a discount.

lady, and I use that word loosely, you're an absolute sack of hammers...

 

[lenny]

When you find a 4 star restaurant making high quality food for the price of McDonalds, let me know, K? Maybe then I'll consider a discount.

I've found it.

 

[lenny]

Providers, have you experienced increased bargaining? Hobbyists, has the crisis effected your hobbying patterns at all?

2] Not at all.

1] If the crises worsens enuf, prices will cum down accordingly.

 

[Katlyn]

I found this to be quite funny!






Many will be doing this by the end of summer here.

We have not felt the economic crunch here yet so all we are going on are the rumblings of the coming storm.



I agree with you in respect to your percentage of clientele you may start accepting as opposed to when there are many with money to burn.

I have to agree with you in principle on your marketing strategy too as you did mention keeping your current clients. But I feel as though you are doing yourself a disservice by putting too much emphasis on marketing & more specifically advertising.

What most inexperienced business people fail to realize is the cost of getting a new customer vs keeping an existing one.

Far too many escorts have an attitude that they can drop a client & 3 will take his place the next day.
While that may be somewhat true in a glut or time of universal economic prosperity like we have enjoyed the last 7 years it does not hold true in times like we have coming our way.

Studies consistently show that keeping a customer is worth much more than looking for new ones.


This firm assesses retention as much more lucrative:


With numbers so strongly in favour of the value of retaining just one customer why would one NOT want to do so?

If you read what Reichheld wrote you see that not only does one happy customer produce himself but tends to advertise his experience to others which can have a strong multiplier effect in favour of the provider.

So in essence, if an escort likes her client, it would be well worth her bottom line to provide even a 40% discount as opposed to the uncertainty & cost of attracting future client prospects.

So dire is the future outlook of our economy that I still think many here have no clue of the potential damage it can cause them.

Losing clients over a few percentage points in this kind of market is not worth the risk.

It is a simple matter of Return on Investment (ROI) where the amount spent to attract new clientele is constantly eating away at your profits (your bottom line) & the tendency for the provider is to increase rates to offset this scenario.
That's just stupid business practice really!

Furthermore, you are setting yourself up for failure because you see others who have virtually no advertising doing well yet you struggle to maintain status quo. - Let's face it that is frustrating.

Retention is key to success!

In fact, it would be much more profitable to retain a certain number of clients & significantly reduce the amount of advertising & allow the current clients to do FREE advertising for you.

I just cannot see how so many escorts, courtesans, SP's, providers & hookers fail to realize this basic concept in business.

The only way I can see this being so pervasive in this business is that the provider is too arrogant to accept these facts.

Greed has nothing to do with it as the numbers prove time & again that the formula I have painted above is better for the bottom line.

So, the question must be asked -
"Why not provide a discount?"

(to the loyal regulars of course)

I haven't read the thread, and I'm not going to because rate threads are pointless but I scrolled through and stopped at your post and read it. I just wanted to comment that escorting is not like any business. The majority of clients do not stick with one SP forever no matter how many discounts or how great her service is. They want to try other girls, and so they should! Plus there can be emotions, the client could be only visiting Vancouver, it could be his birthday present to himself (this is REALLY common), etc...there are many reasons but fact is the vast majority of clients do not do this. So while it is great to keep the ones you can keep, for many girls a regular is a client that repeats once every 6weeks on average, especially for the part time girls who don't have a wide enough schedule to be able to be seen whenever someone wants. And like I said the majority of clients either don't repeat, or only repeat 2 or 3 times before they want to try another. At this rate unless she's been working many years, most of her clients are new clients so you MUST be constantly advertising and when times are tough you should be trying new advertising sources so that you can get out there to people who would not have seen you otherwise.

Here is the honest truth most will not share: I have been working like 9 or 10 months but out of the 5 appointments I take in a week, on average, only 2 of them are clients I have seen before, and some weeks zero. (the breakdown is usually 1 regular, 1 special treat client like a birthday, 2 travelling businessmen, and 1 new local who may or may not repeat) My regular clients (whom do either get a lower rate or extra time) tend to repeat once every 6-8 weeks but often try to book with me and can not because of my schedule. Given the type of clients I get I only see 4 new clients in a month that are Vancouver locals and are in the scene. Assuming half of these repeated at 6 weeks my 9 months in the biz is not enough to fill my schedule. Even though I provide fantastic service, am well reviewed, etc, if I didn't advertise, I would starve, no matter how many incentives I gave to clients who had already seen me, there is absolutely no way with being new and my part time schedule, factoring in that most clients do not stick with the same girl for longer than a few months, and that half of my clients tend to be business travellers who only come to Vancouver twice a year, that it would be a smart business move to not focus on attracting new clients.

And that's the truth.



edit: before anyone quotes me and applies my info across the board to SPs, remember that this is my experience only and while I know that some other ladies also are similar to me you can not assume everyone is.

 

[lenny]

I haven't read the thread, and I'm not going to because rate threads are pointless but I scrolled through and stopped at your post and read it. I just wanted to comment that escorting is not like any business. The majority of clients do not stick with one SP forever no matter how many discounts or how great her service is. They want to try other girls, and so they should! Plus there can be emotions, etc...there are many reasons but fact is the vast majority of clients do not do this. So while it is great to keep the ones you can keep, for many girls a regular is a client that repeats once every 6weeks on average, especially for the part time girls who don't have a wide enough schedule to be able to be seen whenever someone wants. And like I said the majority of clients either don't repeat, or only repeat 2 or 3 times before they want to try another. At this rate unless she's been working many years, most of her clients are new clients so you MUST be constantly advertising and when times are tough you should be trying new advertising sources so that you can get out there to people who would not have seen you otherwise.

Here is the honest truth most will not share: I have been working like 9 or 10 months but out of the 5 appointments I take in a week, on average, only 2 of them are clients I have seen before, and some weeks zero. My regular clients (whom do either get a lower rate or extra time) tend to repeat once every 6-8 weeks but often try to book with me and can not because of my schedule so I refer them to a provider who is similar to me or provides a similar service. If I didn't advertise, I would starve, no matter how many incentives I gave to clients who had already seen me, there is absolutely no way with being new and my part time schedule, factoring in that most clients do not stick with the same girl for longer than a few months, and that half of my clients tend to be business travellers who only come to Vancouver twice a year, that it would be a smart business move to not focus on attracting new clients.

And that's the truth.

So i guess a client who an SP sees every week or several times a week
might be in for an even bigger rate reduction or extra time? When I
find an SP who i am satisfied with, i like to see her regularly and not
be a big butterfly. Not that i don't like a bit of variety as well, from
time to time. But even with that i stick with my regular SPs as long
as everything continues to go well {good service, attitude, etc}.

 

[Katlyn]

I thought it might be interesting to know how time is spent so I'm sharing for those interested in the day to day life of an escort because it's actually a lot more work than one may realize. I believe that given any average monthly earnings for a part timer (let's say $5K) that no matter where your rate is you are doing the same amount of work...assuming of course you are doing basic things like leaving time between appointments and showering and getting ready, if you cut those out then sure, you'll spend a lot less time working in total. Women who charge less probably don't have to spend as much on advertising but will probably earn the same monthly income by seeing more clients and in the end will probably spend the same number of hours working as I do, but just in a different way...and the way that a lady feels happiest and most job satisfaction depends on that lady specifically. So this is not a post about rates, I just thought it would be genuinely interesting to know how one escort, me, spends her time.

I work part time, I take a maximum of 5 appointments in a week. To "work" for 5 hours here is an honest breakdown of my time. It will be different for everyone but this is how much work I put in to run my business:

• 1-1.5hrs first thing in the morning, 7 days a week replying to emails, checking boards, etc. I get a lot of email, I don't know how much most people get. (7-10.5hr/wk)
• An additional 1hr in the evening doing the same thing, 7 days a week (7hr/wk)
• For every appointment I take 1hr to get ready and 30 min to clean up (7.5hr/wk)
• Time on the phone, which I won't count because I do most of my booking through email
• 2hr twice a week working on advertising (4hr)

There are also hair, nail, skin, etc appointments which I won't count because they are low for me.

This is a total of 26-29hrs of work put in, to get those 5 appointments, on 5 different days, plus the actual time in the appointment (to make 30-34). Note I am not including travel time which tends to be 1hr (round trip) for at least 2 of my appointments a week. From here the advertising, emails, etc would not increase very much to take more appointments so after this, assuming you were taking several appointments in a day I would add another 2.5hrs of time required for each additional 1hr appointment (or 3.5hrs for a 2hr): 30min to tidy yourself and your space between appointments plus 30 min prior to your appointment because of the previous appointment (clients DO arrive early, even though they shouldn't, so you need buffer time), and the last 30 min is so you don't have to watch the clock and can afford another 10 min if it works that way and also so that if a client is running 10-15 min late you can still accommodate him without panic about your next appointment.

So even though I am "part time" and I only take 4-5 appointments in a week, I work about 30 hours a week. Keep in mind these are my stats only, and everyone is different, but this is my perfect formula.

Hope some find this helpful/interesting!


btw after typing this all out I am shocked at how much time I actually spend doing this, I knew it was a lot and always joke that my part time job feels like a full time one but now I know why. No wonder I feel like I have no free time with school and my internship in addition to this but like I said this is the formula that works best for me and I'm happy with it

 

[littlejimbigher]

I disagree with this whole-heartedly. MOST men that I know, including myself, enjoy the variety of seeing multiple women. If I see a woman (that I am not in a committed relationship with) more than once or twice, I become easily bored. There are a select few that I know of that are seeking the emotional aspect, but that is not the norm.

I'm the opposite. I prefer to see regulars, with some into the 20+ range.

 

[FortunateOne]

So i guess a client who an SP sees every week or several times a week
might be in for an even bigger rate reduction or extra time? When I
find an SP who i am satisfied with, i like to see her regularly and not
be a big butterfly. Not that i don't like a bit of variety as well, from
time to time. But even with that i stick with my regular SPs as long
as everything continues to go well {good service, attitude, etc}.

I think what happens most often in these cases might be a combo of extra time, plus a little give and take (like if you were 20 short it wouldn't matter), plus you may be paying older lower rates on a continuous basis if for instance she raised her rates since you started seeing her. You really are in the majority tho, Katlyn's example not-withstanding, as her limited schedule doesn't enable her to see a lot of regulars. Like yourself they are more likely to show up weekly or at least semi-monthly and the sp needs to be available much more often and for longer periods of time during the day.

And even if an sp sees 80% repeat, she still needs a lot of advertising to create enough interest in her to bump up to 100%. That extra 20% only comes thru ads. And some of that 80% only comes if she continues her advertising in all of the places she normally does. If she stops her CL or GS ad, some of her regs from those places assume she is unavailable rather than just call to find out.

On another note about sex work in general: Most regular jobs don't require long days, nor does the employee get woken up at 3 or 4am by some drunk or horn-dog; most non-sps don't have to start at 8am and work until 1am just to make their necessary expenses plus the extra that they started doing this work in the first place for; most non-sps don't know that their job is temporary, possibly a couple or few years; most non-sps have personal lives and time for friends and families; most non-sps can tell people what they do for a living; most non-sps don't get bruised, bit or slapped on the ass during work hours (excluding those who demand it, of course, lol); most non-sps don't have to shower 3 or 4 times a day with or without a buddy. Now when the average joe's job includes some or all of these things, then they can post a little whine about rates. But most clients are perfectly happy with who they see and continue to see them over and over.

 

[blazejowski]

When you find a 4 star restaurant making high quality food for the price of McDonalds, let me know, K? Maybe then I'll consider a discount.

Game. Set. And match.

Thread over.