The Economic Prostitution Crisis

[upherbum]

I was reading this blog entry this morning and it mentioned that in certain areas of Europe, providers have had to seek out second jobs in order to stay in the black thanks to the crisis. It also mentions that many more hobbyists have been trying to bargain for better deals over the last few months.
http://www.naughtyreviews.com/u/ian/blog/the-economic-prostitution-crisis

Providers, have you experienced increased bargaining? Hobbyists, has the crisis effected your hobbying patterns at all?

 

[hapkido]

All the ladies I have seen echo the same sentiments. But I'm sure some providers may have minimal impact if their cliental are primarily very wealthy and not affected by this ecomonic crisis.

 

[Lady Companion]

I imagine the Vancouver escorts who would notice the most dramatic effect are those who either cater to an overall lower pricepoint, or those who booked with ALL the gentlemen who were seeking their services.

I'm sure there has been a decrease in the overall number of trysts out there, but if a lady only was seeing a small percentage of the gentlemen wanting to book with her last year, she is still going to have the ability to see just as many gents this year (perhaps she will simply be turning down fewer calls).

I think the more likely explaination for possible slowdown is that there is a satuation of new ladies entering the industry. international escorts are going to be at the mercy of their economic situation at home - but being a courtesan is just like any other business.

If you are adaptable, provide exceptional service, market appropriately for new clients, while keeping the ones you have (even if they don't see you as regularly), you will make it through any 'economic crisis'. The mistake far too many companions make is that they cut back on advertising when times get slow. For any business to be successful, an astute entrapreneur will always put much more money into marketing during the slow periods.

 

[upherbum]

I imagine the Vancouver escorts who would notice the most dramatic effect are those who either cater to an overall lower pricepoint, or those who booked with ALL the gentlemen who were seeking their services.

I'm sure there has been a decrease in the overall number of trysts out there, but if a lady only was seeing a small percentage of the gentlemen wanting to book with her last year, she is still going to have the ability to see just as many gents this year (perhaps she will simply be turning down fewer calls).

I think the more likely explaination for possible slowdown is that there is a satuation of new ladies entering the industry. international escorts are going to be at the mercy of their economic situation at home - but being a courtesan is just like any other business.

If you are adaptable, provide exceptional service, market appropriately for new clients, while keeping the ones you have (even if they don't see you as regularly), you will make it through any 'economic crisis'. The mistake far too many companions make is that they cut back on advertising when times get slow. For any business to be successful, an astute entrapreneur will always put much more money into marketing during the slow periods.

I'm afraid this crisis hasn't hit rock bottom yet and that while I'm sure you'll "get through" the crisis, it's going to be difficult to continue to charge the same prices as the months go on as business goes down.

You rightly state that there will be more competition from providers in an even worse economic situation across the world. It's simply too difficult for me to believe that you'll be able to continue charging the same when you have more competition and that competition is undercutting you. You may be able to charge more than most, but that "more" will be less than it is now.

 

[Krustee]

I was reading this blog entry this morning and it mentioned that in certain areas of Europe, providers have had to seek out second jobs in order to stay in the black thanks to the crisis. It also mentions that many more hobbyists have been trying to bargain for better deals over the last few months.
http://www.naughtyreviews.com/u/ian/blog/the-economic-prostitution-crisis

I found this to be quite funny!

The problems have also given rise to that stingy character we all know and love, the Haggler. Clients are now more frequently trying to bargain for deals with providers or are simply taking fewer frills, only booking smaller blocks of time with no extras and so on. Where people used to be buying Dolce and Gabbana sex, they’re now buying Wal Mart sex.

my regular has been feeling the crunch , she figures biz down 30%
swo she lowered her already low rate for a weekly vist by 25 bucks.
so i still see her.

Many will be doing this by the end of summer here.

We have not felt the economic crunch here yet so all we are going on are the rumblings of the coming storm.

I imagine the Vancouver escorts who would notice the most dramatic effect are those who either cater to an overall lower pricepoint, or those who booked with ALL the gentlemen who were seeking their services.

I'm sure there has been a decrease in the overall number of trysts out there, but if a lady only was seeing a small percentage of the gentlemen wanting to book with her last year, she is still going to have the ability to see just as many gents this year (perhaps she will simply be turning down fewer calls).

I think the more likely explaination for possible slowdown is that there is a satuation of new ladies entering the industry. international escorts are going to be at the mercy of their economic situation at home - but being a courtesan is just like any other business.

If you are adaptable, provide exceptional service, market appropriately for new clients, while keeping the ones you have (even if they don't see you as regularly), you will make it through any 'economic crisis'. The mistake far too many companions make is that they cut back on advertising when times get slow. For any business to be successful, an astute entrapreneur will always put much more money into marketing during the slow periods.

I agree with you in respect to your percentage of clientele you may start accepting as opposed to when there are many with money to burn.

I have to agree with you in principle on your marketing strategy too as you did mention keeping your current clients. But I feel as though you are doing yourself a disservice by putting too much emphasis on marketing & more specifically advertising.

What most inexperienced business people fail to realize is the cost of getting a new customer vs keeping an existing one.

Far too many escorts have an attitude that they can drop a client & 3 will take his place the next day.
While that may be somewhat true in a glut or time of universal economic prosperity like we have enjoyed the last 7 years it does not hold true in times like we have coming our way.

Studies consistently show that keeping a customer is worth much more than looking for new ones.

"The cost of getting a new customer is 3 or 4 times the cost of keeping an existing customer." ~Kathie Nelson
http://www.kathienelson.com/

This firm assesses retention as much more lucrative:

Frederick Reichheld of Bain & Company reports that …

• Over a 5 year period businesses my lose as many as 1/2 of their customers over a 5 year period.
• Acquiring a new customer can cost 6 to 7 times more than retaining an existing customer.
• Businesses who boosted customer retention rates by as little as 5% saw increases in their profits ranging from 5% to a whopping 95%

http://www.bain.com/bainweb/publica...sp?id=15302&menu_url=publications_results.asp

With numbers so strongly in favour of the value of retaining just one customer why would one NOT want to do so?

If you read what Reichheld wrote you see that not only does one happy customer produce himself but tends to advertise his experience to others which can have a strong multiplier effect in favour of the provider.

So in essence, if an escort likes her client, it would be well worth her bottom line to provide even a 40% discount as opposed to the uncertainty & cost of attracting future client prospects.

So dire is the future outlook of our economy that I still think many here have no clue of the potential damage it can cause them.

Losing clients over a few percentage points in this kind of market is not worth the risk.

It is a simple matter of Return on Investment (ROI) where the amount spent to attract new clientele is constantly eating away at your profits (your bottom line) & the tendency for the provider is to increase rates to offset this scenario.
That's just stupid business practice really!

Furthermore, you are setting yourself up for failure because you see others who have virtually no advertising doing well yet you struggle to maintain status quo. - Let's face it that is frustrating.

Retention is key to success!

In fact, it would be much more profitable to retain a certain number of clients & significantly reduce the amount of advertising & allow the current clients to do FREE advertising for you.

I just cannot see how so many escorts, courtesans, SP's, providers & hookers fail to realize this basic concept in business.

The only way I can see this being so pervasive in this business is that the provider is too arrogant to accept these facts.

Greed has nothing to do with it as the numbers prove time & again that the formula I have painted above is better for the bottom line.

So, the question must be asked -
"Why not provide a discount?"

(to the loyal regulars of course)

 

[FortunateOne]

Who cares really? A lot of people will be effected, why beat a dead horse?
Quite honestly this whole price issue has been talked about to death. Let's face it, you hope prices will come down, we get it.

Specifically that the prices of escorts such as Classy Angel and other high end sps come down, lol. Because the argument of lower priced options putting pressure on higher rates to come down doesn't make sense since these lower priced options are already here, have been here for years, so I don't see anything different.

 

[squid]

Let me throw this out there. You have a regular SP that you've been seeing happily for , let's say a year now. Would you ask her for a discount ? If so, what would make it worthwhile, 5%, 10% 20% ? If she said no, would you stop seeing her ? I would assume that if you've been a regular that there must be some chemistry and she must offer something that convinces you to spend your hard earned money.

 

[Violet]

Have been trying to avoid these type of threads so far, but finally couldn't resist the temptation to add my 2 cents...

I imagine the Vancouver escorts who would notice the most dramatic effect are those who either cater to an overall lower pricepoint, or those who booked with ALL the gentlemen who were seeking their services.

I'm sure there has been a decrease in the overall number of trysts out there, but if a lady only was seeing a small percentage of the gentlemen wanting to book with her last year, she is still going to have the ability to see just as many gents this year (perhaps she will simply be turning down fewer calls).

Exactly! :thumbsup: I don't think that the economic downturn has (or will) have much effect on ladies in this situation. And even for the ladies who did not have a high volume of calls that they were turning away, it does not mean that they will be forced to lower their prices. They may just do slightly fewer appointments. I am in the category that you described above, where I was turning away a large number of appointments because I didn't have time for them all, I may, as the economic situation worsens, be turning away fewer appointments, but it is not going to affect my number of appointments or my prices. Even if I was not in this category, I would rather do fewer appointments than lower my prices, & I'm sure many other SPs agree.

Here's an example for you about why many SPs may choose not to lower their prices, even if they experience a decrease in business: (warning: math ahead )

If a lady charges, for example, $300 a hour, & does an average of 20 hours of appointments at that price a month, she would be bringing in (before expenses) a total of $6000 a month. If her business began to slow to, say, 15 hours of appointments a month, she would them be bringing in $4500 a month. If she instead decided to lower her prices to $200 an hour to bring her number of hours of appointments back up to 20 a month, she would then be making $4000 a month. So she would be doing more appointments for less money. To make her old monthly income of $6000 a month, she would have to do 30 hours of appts a month. If I were her, I would rather take a cut in how much I made a month, rather than have to do 50% more work just to make the same amount, but that's just me... I think she would have to be losing a HUGE amount of business to make it "worth it" financially to substantially lower her rates.

*Also I do agree with Krustee in that if one is going to provide any discounts/promotions, do it for loyal regulars rather than to attract new clientelle. But it's possible that some SPs might not bother to do this because many loyal regulars are clearly seeing them repeatedly for reasons other than how low their prices are & would probably continue to see them regardless of whether they lowered them or not. I could perhaps see a regular seeing his ATF slightly less frequently if he was not doing as well financially, but I would be very surprised if he decided to stop seeing her alltogether in favour of trying out new girls at lower rates. Again she might decide it's better to see him for fewer apointments rather than the same number at a lower price.

 

[Sonny]

I could perhaps see a regular seeing his ATF slightly less frequently if he was not doing as well financially, but I would be very surprised if he decided to stop seeing her alltogether in favour of trying out new girls at lower rates.

Perhaps you overestimate the ATF relationship. I think most pooners do play the SP field a least somewhat. Should economics come into play, then the donation choices among the several good SPs visited may favour the one he can then afford to see more frequently.

 

[FortunateOne]

Perhaps you overestimate the ATF relationship. I think most pooners do play the SP field a least somewhat. Should economics come into play, then the donation choices among the several good SPs visited may favour the one he can then afford to see more frequently.

Most of the clients an sp have are repeat, and most have no knowledge or connection to review boards. And by most I mean 80+%. I think Violet experiences are from a different perspective than a review board member, so speaks from that POV. And the reality is that here as a hobby, changing the sp is the motivation for review board membership whereas the average client is looking for either one sp or one place to go where he feels welcome and ultimately so he doesn't have to go looking for someone else.

 

[upherbum]

I found this to be quite funny!






Many will be doing this by the end of summer here.

We have not felt the economic crunch here yet so all we are going on are the rumblings of the coming storm.



I agree with you in respect to your percentage of clientele you may start accepting as opposed to when there are many with money to burn.

I have to agree with you in principle on your marketing strategy too as you did mention keeping your current clients. But I feel as though you are doing yourself a disservice by putting too much emphasis on marketing & more specifically advertising.

What most inexperienced business people fail to realize is the cost of getting a new customer vs keeping an existing one.

Far too many escorts have an attitude that they can drop a client & 3 will take his place the next day.
While that may be somewhat true in a glut or time of universal economic prosperity like we have enjoyed the last 7 years it does not hold true in times like we have coming our way.

Studies consistently show that keeping a customer is worth much more than looking for new ones.


This firm assesses retention as much more lucrative:


With numbers so strongly in favour of the value of retaining just one customer why would one NOT want to do so?

If you read what Reichheld wrote you see that not only does one happy customer produce himself but tends to advertise his experience to others which can have a strong multiplier effect in favour of the provider.

So in essence, if an escort likes her client, it would be well worth her bottom line to provide even a 40% discount as opposed to the uncertainty & cost of attracting future client prospects.

So dire is the future outlook of our economy that I still think many here have no clue of the potential damage it can cause them.

Losing clients over a few percentage points in this kind of market is not worth the risk.

It is a simple matter of Return on Investment (ROI) where the amount spent to attract new clientele is constantly eating away at your profits (your bottom line) & the tendency for the provider is to increase rates to offset this scenario.
That's just stupid business practice really!

Furthermore, you are setting yourself up for failure because you see others who have virtually no advertising doing well yet you struggle to maintain status quo. - Let's face it that is frustrating.

Retention is key to success!

In fact, it would be much more profitable to retain a certain number of clients & significantly reduce the amount of advertising & allow the current clients to do FREE advertising for you.

I just cannot see how so many escorts, courtesans, SP's, providers & hookers fail to realize this basic concept in business.

The only way I can see this being so pervasive in this business is that the provider is too arrogant to accept these facts.

Greed has nothing to do with it as the numbers prove time & again that the formula I have painted above is better for the bottom line.

So, the question must be asked -
"Why not provide a discount?"

(to the loyal regulars of course)

Excellent post. Those who focus entirely on marketing are missing the point. Providing incentives to retain current customers is the way to get ahead whatever your line of business.

 

[Sonny]

the average client is looking for either one sp or one place to go where he feels welcome and ultimately so he doesn't have to go looking for someone else.

Maybe true, but eventually oh so boring, just like a wife.. even the wives who are good fucks.

 

[mimi]

Kudos to Violet for an excellent commentary.

It strikes me that some pooners are looking for a reduction in rates so they can sample some of the lovely escorts that are out of their price range, however, a reduction in price does not mean that an escort is obligated to entertain all seekers. She would still be selective about choosing her clients and she still may prefer a certain target market.

There are so many ladies out there who are already offering low rates that this shouldn't really be an issue...just go with the model that fits your budget.

Playboy magazines are still pretty affordable.

 

[trackstar]

whereas the average client is looking for either one sp or one place to go where he feels welcome and ultimately so he doesn't have to go looking for someone else.

I disagree with this whole-heartedly. MOST men that I know, including myself, enjoy the variety of seeing multiple women. If I see a woman (that I am not in a committed relationship with) more than once or twice, I become easily bored. There are a select few that I know of that are seeking the emotional aspect, but that is not the norm.

 

[Krustee]

Have been trying to avoid these type of threads so far, but finally couldn't resist the temptation to add my 2 cents...

Well I for one want to thank you for stepping up & voicing your opinion!

You go Girl!!

I don't think that the economic downturn has (or will) have much effect on ladies in this situation. And even for the ladies who did not have a high volume of calls that they were turning away, it does not mean that they will be forced to lower their prices. They may just do slightly fewer appointments.

I'm sorry sweetie, but I just don't follow you here -
If we are in tough economic times why would you choose to do less appointments?

Less appointments at the same rate means less money.

Feel free to enlighten me.

I am in the category that you described above, where I was turning away a large number of appointments because I didn't have time for them all, I may, as the economic situation worsens, be turning away fewer appointments, but it is not going to affect my number of appointments or my prices. Even if I was not in this category, I would rather do fewer appointments than lower my prices, & I'm sure many other SPs agree.

Thats good, as long as you can maintain your standard of living on less income you are fine.

But, if you are locked in to the amount of expenses you have & are faced with paying or being subjected to collection agencies you would do well to increase your income.

Here's an example for you about why many SPs may choose not to lower their prices, even if they experience a decrease in business: (warning: math ahead )

If a lady charges, for example, $300 a hour, & does an average of 20 hours of appointments at that price a month, she would be bringing in (before expenses) a total of $6000 a month. If her business began to slow to, say, 15 hours of appointments a month, she would them be bringing in $4500 a month. If she instead decided to lower her prices to $200 an hour to bring her number of hours of appointments back up to 20 a month, she would then be making $4000 a month. So she would be doing more appointments for less money. To make her old monthly income of $6000 a month, she would have to do 30 hours of appts a month. If I were her, I would rather take a cut in how much I made a month, rather than have to do 50% more work just to make the same amount, but that's just me... I think she would have to be losing a HUGE amount of business to make it "worth it" financially to substantially lower her rates.

Well that sounds pretty good Violet!

Let me see if I get this math stuff right cuz everybody here knows -
I ain't too smart.

Now, we got a rate of $300 per hour
we got an established 20 hours per month
we got - $300 x 20 = $6000

So, if you were to reduce your rate to say $250 per hour (16.667% decrease in $)
it would mean you have to work how much to equal $6000?
6000/250 = 24 (20% increase in hours)

So, you would have to work 4 more hours per month to earn the same as before at 20 hours per month.

Now, using your example above you reduce your rate by $100 to $200 per hour you then are at a 33.333% decrease in your rate.
6000/200 = 30

So, to earn the same amount at this rate you are having to work a whopping 30 hours per month!

Damn woman!!!! - that's almost one hour per day!!!

30/20 = 1.5
Which equates to a 50% increase in the amount of time you have to work.

I agree with you here Violet.

For you to earn $6000 per month you will need to work 18.7% of the hours the rest of the single Canadians work to earn an average of $2375 per month. (28,500 annual Unattached individuals)

I agree, that would probably be too severe of a sacrifice for you to make if you have a busy schedule.

The truth of the matter is that we pooners sometimes do not appreciate what you gals go through & should have a little compassion for all that you gals do for us.

I for one do not expect you to miss a spa treatment that ensures your skin is supple and soft, or a manicure that makes those nails look so fine for our sensuous encounter.
I don't expect you to inconvenience yourself just so I can have a selfish thought about wanting to see you for less because I have had a reduction in my hours at work and it is either that or I'm gonna be laid off.

Sorry if I have been unduly selfish in suggesting that you gals may consider putting up with some cheap ass bastards who can't afford to play in your sand box anymore due to this friggin economy.

*Also I do agree with Krustee in that if one is going to provide any discounts/promotions, do it for loyal regulars rather than to attract new clientelle. But it's possible that some SPs might not bother to do this because many loyal regulars are clearly seeing them repeatedly for reasons other than how low their prices are & would probably continue to see them regardless of whether they lowered them or not.

Depends on how much of a cheap ass bastard he is!

I could perhaps see a regular seeing his ATF slightly less frequently if he was not doing as well financially, but I would be very surprised if he decided to stop seeing her alltogether in favour of trying out new girls at lower rates. Again she might decide it's better to see him for fewer apointments rather than the same number at a lower price.

I am sure if one of your regulars becomes unemployed or takes a cut in his income for any reason he will find some other means to come up with the necessary funds to pay your regular rate.

Other peoples financial hardship is not an SP's concern, you are in business to make money & the bottom line is -
If the boy can't afford to pay then he don't get to play!

Life's a bitch!


Take care sweetie!

 

[SexyBoy]

I'm afraid this crisis hasn't hit rock bottom yet and that while I'm sure you'll "get through" the crisis, it's going to be difficult to continue to charge the same prices as the months go on as business goes down.

You rightly state that there will be more competition from providers in an even worse economic situation across the world. It's simply too difficult for me to believe that you'll be able to continue charging the same when you have more competition and that competition is undercutting you. You may be able to charge more than most, but that "more" will be less than it is now.

Not to mention a lot more providers. What do you think all those sexy girls that lose their jobs end up doing?

There are going to be more escorts then ever.

 

[FortunateOne]

Well, thank god Krustee is here to remind us all that sps are not actually in business to make money but actually should be volunteering their services perhaps as charity work instead? Gosh, even the Salvation Army requires donations to keep going, correct me if I'm wrong. Well, who cares if Violet can't pay the rent, as long as Krustee can go visit her at a substantial discount. What the heck, maybe she has to pay 50 out of that 100 he wants to give her for the location she rents, because god knows her landlord don't care she isn't making as much off every call anymore.

I kind of sort of think that if a fella lost his job that scraping up the bucks to pay for sex would not be a priority. Apparently though, she should set aside a certain portion of her day to provide these same services at 50% off her regular rates, or less, keeping in mind that instead of paying the rent or buying food, he is going to come and see her. Don't ya think he's going to be a little more worried about how much he is spending rather than how much he is saving?

You are assuming she can do 30 calls a month. If the reason she is doing 20 calls right now is that that is the maximum number of people she can see, or time she can spend, how will it help her at all to reduce her rates.

This:

They may just do slightly fewer appointments.

Doesn't mean this:

If we are in tough economic times why would you choose to do less appointments?

Please don't bother replying to my post. I find your cut/paste/quote/mega font tiresome. I don't believe that anyone who complains about prices of the white higher end sps would charge any less than they do if they were in their place. I don't believe any one of you would accept the less than 100 that those asian micro girls have to take for all that they have to put up with, 6-8 times a day, 6-7 days a week. If those are the results of lower rates, I highly doubt anyone who wants to be in this for the long term would work under those conditions.

 

[Krustee]

Well, thank god Krustee is here to remind us all that sps are not actually in business to make money but actually should be volunteering their services perhaps as charity work instead? Gosh, even the Salvation Army requires donations to keep going, correct me if I'm wrong. Well, who cares if Violet can't pay the rent, as long as Krustee can go visit her at a substantial discount. What the heck, maybe she has to pay 50 out of that 100 he wants to give her for the location she rents, because god knows her landlord don't care she isn't making as much off every call anymore.

Hey there sweet cheeks - I don't even see Violet!

I am sure that if she met me she would offer to see me for free as long as I posted a really good review, like I do for all the other gals, but I have not had the pleasure of her company - YET!

I kind of sort of think that if a fella lost his job that scraping up the bucks to pay for sex would not be a priority. Apparently though, she should set aside a certain portion of her day to provide these same services at 50% off her regular rates, or less, keeping in mind that instead of paying the rent or buying food, he is going to come and see her. Don't ya think he's going to be a little more worried about how much he is spending rather than how much he is saving?

You are assuming she can do 30 calls a month. If the reason she is doing 20 calls right now is that that is the maximum number of people she can see, or time she can spend, how will it help her at all to reduce her rates.


Please don't bother replying to my post. I find your cut/paste/quote/mega font tiresome. I don't believe that anyone who complains about prices of the white higher end sps would charge any less than they do if they were in their place. I don't believe any one of you would accept the less than 100 that those asian micro girls have to take for all that they have to put up with, 6-8 times a day, 6-7 days a week. If those are the results of lower rates, I highly doubt anyone who wants to be in this for the long term would work under those conditions.

It really hurts me that you don't like my posting FO.

I try to make my comments simple & easy to understand & thought that would please you.

I think you misunderstood my previous post cuz I clearly pointed out that you girls have no obligation to offer discounts to any of the Cheap ass bastards out there.

This is a business & you gals work hard for your money.

Sometimes you even have to work more than 30 hours a month!

I don't think us men should ever expect you to work more than 20% of the hours regular people work for a living.

It takes a LOT of stamina, character & intelligence to do what you gals do & I for one am not going to try to degrade the wonderful work you do!

Rock on!

 

[melissa.in.abby]

Well I for one want to thank you for stepping up & voicing your opinion!

You go Girl!!


I'm sorry sweetie, but I just don't follow you here -
If we are in tough economic times why would you choose to do less appointments?

Less appointments at the same rate means less money.

Feel free to enlighten me.


Thats good, as long as you can maintain your standard of living on less income you are fine.

But, if you are locked in to the amount of expenses you have & are faced with paying or being subjected to collection agencies you would do well to increase your income.


Well that sounds pretty good Violet!

Let me see if I get this math stuff right cuz everybody here knows -
I ain't too smart.

Now, we got a rate of $300 per hour
we got an established 20 hours per month
we got - $300 x 20 = $6000

So, if you were to reduce your rate to say $250 per hour (16.667% decrease in $)
it would mean you have to work how much to equal $6000?
6000/250 = 24 (20% increase in hours)

So, you would have to work 4 more hours per month to earn the same as before at 20 hours per month.

Now, using your example above you reduce your rate by $100 to $200 per hour you then are at a 33.333% decrease in your rate.
6000/200 = 30

So, to earn the same amount at this rate you are having to work a whopping 30 hours per month!

Damn woman!!!! - that's almost one hour per day!!!

30/20 = 1.5
Which equates to a 50% increase in the amount of time you have to work.

I agree with you here Violet.

For you to earn $6000 per month you will need to work 18.7% of the hours the rest of the single Canadians work to earn an average of $2375 per month. (28,500 annual Unattached individuals)

I agree, that would probably be too severe of a sacrifice for you to make if you have a busy schedule.

The truth of the matter is that we pooners sometimes do not appreciate what you gals go through & should have a little compassion for all that you gals do for us.

I for one do not expect you to miss a spa treatment that ensures your skin is supple and soft, or a manicure that makes those nails look so fine for our sensuous encounter.
I don't expect you to inconvenience yourself just so I can have a selfish thought about wanting to see you for less because I have had a reduction in my hours at work and it is either that or I'm gonna be laid off.

Sorry if I have been unduly selfish in suggesting that you gals may consider putting up with some cheap ass bastards who can't afford to play in your sand box anymore due to this friggin economy.


Depends on how much of a cheap ass bastard he is!



I am sure if one of your regulars becomes unemployed or takes a cut in his income for any reason he will find some other means to come up with the necessary funds to pay your regular rate.

Other peoples financial hardship is not an SP's concern, you are in business to make money & the bottom line is -
If the boy can't afford to pay then he don't get to play!

Life's a bitch!


Take care sweetie!

Grab a Clue

 

[Violet]

I'm sorry sweetie, but I just don't follow you here -
If we are in tough economic times why would you choose to do less appointments?
Less appointments at the same rate means less money.
Feel free to enlighten me.

Because as I said, SOME SPs might prefer a cut in pay rather than to do more appointments just to make the same amount. Especially if it was going to be far more appointments. Also, because of the "tough economic times", less money might go farther, for example rent rates may decrease.

Thats good, as long as you can maintain your standard of living on less income you are fine.
But, if you are locked in to the amount of expenses you have & are faced with paying or being subjected to collection agencies you would do well to increase your income.

Well yes, that is true. Ladies in that situation might end up choosing to lower their rates if it comes to that. But in the same breath you say you think these girls are using their money for "spa apointments & manicures", so those aren't really dire neccessities are they. Make up your mind.

It sounds like guys who are pressing for SPs to lower their rates & using the excuse that they have less money to spend, are the ones who want to maintain THEIR standard of living on less money - they want to be able to see SPs as often & for as long as they used to but pay less for it. By your token, why shouldn't the client work more hours or take on another job so he can make as much money as he used to? You're suggesting the SPs should do this...

Now, we got a rate of $300 per hour
we got an established 20 hours per month
we got - $300 x 20 = $6000

So, if you were to reduce your rate to say $250 per hour (16.667% decrease in $)
it would mean you have to work how much to equal $6000?
6000/250 = 24 (20% increase in hours)

Yes, IF reducing their rate by only that much was guaranteed to get them 20% more business.

For you to earn $6000 per month you will need to work 18.7% of the hours the rest of the single Canadians work to earn an average of $2375 per month.
I agree, that would probably be too severe of a sacrifice for you to make if you have a busy schedule.

First of all, please stop saying "you" - did you not notice that I was clearly not talking about myself here? I do not charge $300 an hour, nor do I do 20 hrs of appts a month, nor am I in the category of someone who might have to consider lowering their rates, because I turn away a lot of the calls I get due to not having enough time, so I will just be turning away fewer appointments if the economy affects how many people call me, & still doing the same number. I was simply stating my opinions on why some ladies may choose not to lower their rates & using a theoretical example.

Second of all, maybe some SPs DO have a "busy schedule", maybe she has another job (perhaps one that doesn't pay well), or children to care for, or is going to school full-time?

Thirdly, an SP who does 20 hrs of appointments each month is not WORKING only 20 hrs a month, there is a LOT of work that goes into this business outside the actual appointment time. The time spent on other work-related activities is a lot more than people in most other jobs spend on their job outside of their paid work hours. We have to spend a lot of time on things such as: advertising, replying to a vast number of PMs/emails, talking on the phone with clients & checking messages/returning phone calls, transportation to outcalls or to our incall location, getting our incall location ready, cleaning & doing laundry (sheets towels etc), getting ourselves ready (& yes, it takes much longer than a woman getting ready for a "normal" job, plus we have to do it before every appointment), & so on. WE do not get paid for these things, in fact we have to pay to do them.

And given the type of work that we do, & the fact that it is physically & mentally tiring & that we REQUIRE time between apointments at the very least to clean the place & ourselves, could anyone reasonably expect an SP to do 40 hrs of appointments a week like a "regular" full-time job?!?

Lastly, as I mentioned in another thread, an SP who brings in $6000 a month from appointments is not actually "MAKING" $6000 a month, as I noted, that was BEFORE expenses (which are much larger than those for an average job) & taxes (& believe it or not, many SPs, especially in the higher rate ranges DO pay taxes).

I don't expect you to inconvenience yourself just so I can have a selfish thought about wanting to see you for less because I have had a reduction in my hours at work and it is either that or I'm gonna be laid off.

Or maybe you should remember that seeing SPs is not a necessity & that if you can't afford it you shouldn't be doing it? If you don't like an SP's rates, you should just not see her rather than expecting her to lower them. You wouldn't go to the Keg & say, "I had a reduction in my hours at work so I think you should sell me the filet mignon for $5" or bitch & moan about the Kegs prices on a restaurant review board & say, "Since the economy has taken a downturn the Keg should substantially lower their rates becaue I think they might get less business".

Depends on how much of a cheap ass bastard he is!

Well if was that much of a cheap bastard he wouldn't be seeing a $300 SP in the first place, plus he wouldn't go with his ATF (who he clearly thinks has the best service etc), he would just be seeing whoever is cheapest.

Other peoples financial hardship is not an SP's concern, you are in business to make money & the bottom line is -
If the boy can't afford to pay then he don't get to play!

Sorry but that's right! Many SPs may like what they do, but we do this to earn a good living, not out of sympathy for horny broke men.