I could be wrong, but the impression I got was that somebody steered the still-coasting car into a driveway in order to keep the car from coasting into traffic and possibly being hit by other cars. It sounded like some quick thinking to me, because you can't possibly help the dead/dying woman in the car if the car gets hit by another car while you're trying to perform first aid...
Shootings in the Lower Mainland almost every day - WTF is going on?
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So.. two guys with guns break into a house looking for someone who doesn't live there.
They shoot one of the kids because he won't tell them where this guy who the kid doesn't know, is.
The other kid grabs one of the guns away from one of the guys and shoots him.
The other home invader runs away.
The police arrest the kid who took the gun away from the guy who just shot his brother and charge him with murder for shooting the guy who just shot his brother after breaking into his house with a gun.
So.. shoot someone defending yourself and you get charged with murder.
Get drunk and freeze your kids to death and you get... hmm... sympathy and a stern talking to.
What's next?
They shoot one of the kids because he won't tell them where this guy who the kid doesn't know, is.
The other kid grabs one of the guns away from one of the guys and shoots him.
The other home invader runs away.
The police arrest the kid who took the gun away from the guy who just shot his brother and charge him with murder for shooting the guy who just shot his brother after breaking into his house with a gun.
So.. shoot someone defending yourself and you get charged with murder.
Get drunk and freeze your kids to death and you get... hmm... sympathy and a stern talking to.
What's next?
Brothers are killing brothers.
Too much violence, where is the love? ThreeTimes would like to embrace everyone and spread his love (non-sexual)
Too much violence, where is the love? ThreeTimes would like to embrace everyone and spread his love (non-sexual)
Just what the world needs. This asshole with a gun. I wouldn't trust him with a water pistol.
The event of Tuesday doesn't look right.
Given the environment we are in I seriously doubt if two "gunmen" are going to to a house and ask if Azim is home. Looking at the firepower used in all the previous hits it is clear that shoot first and heavy then ask questions is the order of the day.
Having a kill team of only two, approaching the house in the afternoon, and allowing the "victim" to retaliate and kill your team mate is not believable, the "victim" was able to call 911 and his mom ??
Say two Jehovah Witness knock at the door of a nervous gangster ... what would be the result ?
Looking forward to hearing more about the "victims" in this case.
Given the environment we are in I seriously doubt if two "gunmen" are going to to a house and ask if Azim is home. Looking at the firepower used in all the previous hits it is clear that shoot first and heavy then ask questions is the order of the day.
Having a kill team of only two, approaching the house in the afternoon, and allowing the "victim" to retaliate and kill your team mate is not believable, the "victim" was able to call 911 and his mom ??
Say two Jehovah Witness knock at the door of a nervous gangster ... what would be the result ?
Looking forward to hearing more about the "victims" in this case.
Or some crappy cartoon trying to model after GI Joe, lol.
There are 2 options which I want the cops/people to take. Allow police to use whatever means to get info from those gangsters. Use torture if you want to. If people don't care about gang members killing each other, having cops releasing their anger on them shouldn't raise too many issues.
My 2nd choice would be to have the government secretly help one gang "win" the turf wars, making it in a way where civs aren't caught in the middle. Then when the dust settles, calling all cops/militia/armed forces/PMC/whatever, and eradicate any gangsters still remaining. Like cockroaches, they'll return, but at least you'll wipe out like 90% of them
Look already, that doesn't hold in general; it's pretty much accepted by (most) everyone that carrying/possessing arms increases the chance that they will be used (i.e. more shootings, not less). It's not too difficult to comprehend.
This is what happens when the price of a kg of coke is over $50k when it was half that around a year ago.
There's another town in Alaska with a similar law, they also have MUCH lower crime rates since the law was put into place and MUCH lower crime rates than national or state averages.
Also, for this town in GA, everyone predicted that things would get worse, probably because "It is accepted by most everyone that ..." but they were PROVEN WRONG.
So, I guess you're saying that most everyone is WRONG about what happens?
The facts seem to disagree with your "not too difficult to comprehend" ideas. I guess it's "not too difficult to comprehend" that people who make those arguments don't let the facts get in their way.
Each time this type of law has been tried, crime rates have gone DOWN (there are also parts of Australia with similar laws and the rates went DOWN).
Meanwhile, gun bans, as pointed out in the article, resulted in crime rates going UP. Last I saw, NYC had a handgun ban. I guess most everyone agrees that there's no handgun crime in NYC too, right?
What's more accurate? What people agree that they think will happen, or what HAS HAPPENED and is actually objective and measurable?
30 years ago, most scientists agreed that we were headed for another ice age. Now most of them seem to agree that we're going to have global warming and that it started over 50 years ago.
Competent Debate
Too much reference to conflicting information with no reference to where the information comes from. Crime goes down where everyone can carry conceled guns? That could mean a town of 500 had a decrease in jaywalking tickets issued.
If you can't give good detail regarding the "Facts" you base opinions on then you should limit yourself arguing opinions.
My opinion is that if we step up the "War on Drugs" with more spending on police, courts, prisions and tougher laws against drug use we can only hope to have the higher crime rates they have in the States with an unending war in our cities. I have no source for my assumption that the States have higher crime rates. Feel free to challenge that.
Alternatively we could let adults buy the drugs they want then organized crime and the gangs would be near dead in a month.
We tried this approach some years back when the cost of tobacco went much higher in Canada than it was in the States. Inside if six months organized crime and the big tobacco companies built up the smuggling and the killings started. Some time later the prices equalized across the border and the criminal activity ended.
A price difference across a border has the same effect as a law telling people they can't have something they want. If there is enough demand then organized crime will step in to fill the demand. We have seen it with alcohol and tobacco. Now they are health problems rather than criminal problems.
Too much reference to conflicting information with no reference to where the information comes from. Crime goes down where everyone can carry conceled guns? That could mean a town of 500 had a decrease in jaywalking tickets issued.
If you can't give good detail regarding the "Facts" you base opinions on then you should limit yourself arguing opinions.
My opinion is that if we step up the "War on Drugs" with more spending on police, courts, prisions and tougher laws against drug use we can only hope to have the higher crime rates they have in the States with an unending war in our cities. I have no source for my assumption that the States have higher crime rates. Feel free to challenge that.
Alternatively we could let adults buy the drugs they want then organized crime and the gangs would be near dead in a month.
We tried this approach some years back when the cost of tobacco went much higher in Canada than it was in the States. Inside if six months organized crime and the big tobacco companies built up the smuggling and the killings started. Some time later the prices equalized across the border and the criminal activity ended.
A price difference across a border has the same effect as a law telling people they can't have something they want. If there is enough demand then organized crime will step in to fill the demand. We have seen it with alcohol and tobacco. Now they are health problems rather than criminal problems.
All I know is...this is the greatest city in the world and how DARE YOU ASSHOLES QUESTION ANYTHING ABOUT OUR BELOVED VANCOUVER!!!!!!
I wasnt talking CRIME, I was talking HOMICIDE. Kenesaw hasnt had a homicide in 26 years. Jaywalking maybe, but no dead bodies....
Kennesaw, GA, USA
Population (2005)
- Total 30,522
So, you are saying the murder rate in this town, which has not had a murder in 26 years, decreased when everyone was allowed to cary concealed guns.
When were these good people given this permission?
What was the decrease in the murder rate?
Sorry, I should have read the article first. It says there havn't been any murders since 26 years ago when Kennesaw had a population of 5,242 and passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. The rest of the bragging refers to the crime rate which probably includes shoplifting and jaywalking. I suppose jaywalkers are afraid they will be shot so they are now more law abiding.
I missed any mention of how many murders there had been in the 26 years prior to this fine gun law.
Population (2005)
- Total 30,522
So, you are saying the murder rate in this town, which has not had a murder in 26 years, decreased when everyone was allowed to cary concealed guns.
When were these good people given this permission?
What was the decrease in the murder rate?
Sorry, I should have read the article first. It says there havn't been any murders since 26 years ago when Kennesaw had a population of 5,242 and passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. The rest of the bragging refers to the crime rate which probably includes shoplifting and jaywalking. I suppose jaywalkers are afraid they will be shot so they are now more law abiding.
I missed any mention of how many murders there had been in the 26 years prior to this fine gun law.
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http://publicrights.org/Kennesaw/NewsMax2001.html
But Kennesaw's crime rate plummeted. In fact, the number of some crimes declined amid soaring population growth. For example, in figures the city provided to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, Kennesaw had 54 burglaries in 1981 – the year before the gun ordinance – with a population of 5,242. In 1999, with a population of 19,000, only 36 burglaries were reported.
The rate of violent crime is approximately four times lower than the state and national rates, Kennesaw's Crime Statistics Report said. "Violent crime is almost nonexistent in residential neighborhoods," Graydon told UPI. The detective, who has been with the police department since 1986, said the isolated exceptions take place in motels or in commercial areas.
Graydon said he has lived in the area since 1979 and has heard no open opposition to the gun law. This remains the case even though most of Kennesaw's newcomers are from northern states.
Asked whether the ordinance has attracted new people to Kennesaw, Graydon said: "Not specifically the law itself, but quite a few people cite the low crime rate, which a lot of people do attribute, at least in part, to the gun law."
The detective said Kennesaw used state criteria for carrying a concealed handgun. "It's not that difficult" to get the license, he said. Unlike some other jurisdictions, Georgia does not require permit holders to submit the serial numbers of their handguns to the police. "We don't register firearms down here," Graydon said.
But Kennesaw's crime rate plummeted. In fact, the number of some crimes declined amid soaring population growth. For example, in figures the city provided to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, Kennesaw had 54 burglaries in 1981 – the year before the gun ordinance – with a population of 5,242. In 1999, with a population of 19,000, only 36 burglaries were reported.
The rate of violent crime is approximately four times lower than the state and national rates, Kennesaw's Crime Statistics Report said. "Violent crime is almost nonexistent in residential neighborhoods," Graydon told UPI. The detective, who has been with the police department since 1986, said the isolated exceptions take place in motels or in commercial areas.
Graydon said he has lived in the area since 1979 and has heard no open opposition to the gun law. This remains the case even though most of Kennesaw's newcomers are from northern states.
Asked whether the ordinance has attracted new people to Kennesaw, Graydon said: "Not specifically the law itself, but quite a few people cite the low crime rate, which a lot of people do attribute, at least in part, to the gun law."
The detective said Kennesaw used state criteria for carrying a concealed handgun. "It's not that difficult" to get the license, he said. Unlike some other jurisdictions, Georgia does not require permit holders to submit the serial numbers of their handguns to the police. "We don't register firearms down here," Graydon said.
Your argument reeks of bias and ignorance. New York is a city of 10 million people; what happens/has happened in these 'towns' you mention need not hold for NYC.
Have you considered as determinants of crime/murder rate: population; demographics; differences in socio-economic status; etc? What you've done is commit selection bias. The towns in question you've described may be a lot more homogenous in certain determining factors than larger cities; you can't expect that what has happened in other, similar instances to hold in general.
(Objectivity aside: Georgia and rural Australia? Please.)
