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For those who are wanting to know how our economy took the nose dive it has & the systemic responses to the early catalysts that started it all - THIS is the documentary you NEED to see!


We are living in scary times & no one knows how this will end.

Check this out & you will be just a little bit more informed on what to do in the coming months.


On at 9pm KCTS Public Television & again at 12:30 on WTVS.








On Thursday, Sept. 18, 2008, the astonished leadership of the U.S. Congress was told in a private session by the chairman of the Federal Reserve that the American economy was in grave danger of a complete meltdown within a matter of days. "There was literally a pause in that room where the oxygen left," says Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.).

As the housing bubble burst and trillions of dollars' worth of toxic mortgages began to go bad in 2007, fear spread through the massive firms that form the heart of Wall Street. By the spring of 2008, burdened by billions of dollars of bad mortgages, the investment bank Bear Stearns was the subject of rumors that it would soon fail.

"Rumors are such that they can just plain put you out of business," Bear Stearns' former CEO Alan "Ace" Greenberg tells FRONTLINE.

The company's stock had dropped from $171 to $57 a share, and it was hours from declaring bankruptcy. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke acted. "It was clear that this had to be contained. There was no doubt in his mind," says Bernanke's colleague, economist Mark Gertler.

Bernanke, a former economics professor from Princeton, specialized in studying the Great Depression. "He more than anybody else appreciated what would happen if it got out of control," Gertler explains.

To stabilize the markets, Bernanke engineered a shotgun marriage between Bear Sterns and the commercial bank JPMorgan, with a promise that the federal government would use $30 billion to cover Bear Stearns' questionable assets tied to toxic mortgages. It was an unprecedented effort to stop the contagion of fear that seemed to be threatening the rest of Wall Street.

While publicly supportive of the deal, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, a former Wall Street executive with Goldman Sachs, was uncomfortable with government interference in the markets. That summer, he issued a warning to his former colleagues not to expect future government bailouts, saying he was concerned about a legal concept known as moral hazard.

Within months, however, Paulson would witness the virtual collapse of the giant mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and preside over their takeover by the federal government.

The episode sent shockwaves through the economy as confidence in Wall Street began to evaporate. Within days, in September 2008, another investment bank, Lehman Brothers, was on the brink of collapse. Once again, there were calls for Bernanke and Paulson to bail out the Wall Street giant. But Paulson was under intense political pressure from conservative Republicans in Washington to invoke moral hazard and let the company fail.

"You had a conservative secretary of the Treasury and conservative administration. There was right-wing criticism over Bear Stearns," says Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Paulson pushed Lehman's CEO Dick Fuld to find a buyer for his ailing company. But no company would buy Lehman unless the government offered a deal similar to the one Bear Stearns had received. Paulson refused, and Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy.

FRONTLINE then chronicles the disaster that followed. Within 24 hours, the stock market crashed, and credit markets around the world froze. "We're no longer talking about mortgages," says economist Gertler. "We're talking about car loans, loans to small businesses, commercial paper borrowing by large banks. This is like a disease spreading."

"I think that the secretary of the Treasury could not fully comprehend what that linkage was and the extent to which this would materialize into problems," says former Lehman board member Henry Kaufman.

Paulson was thunderstruck. "This is the utter nightmare of an economic policy-maker," Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman tells FRONTLINE. "You may have just made the decision that destroyed the world. Absolutely terrifying moment."

In response, Paulson and Bernanke would propose -- and Congress would eventually pass -- a $700 billion bailout plan. FRONTLINE goes inside the deliberations surrounding the passage of the legislation and examines its unsuccessful implementation.

"Many Americans still don't understand what has happened to the economy," FRONTLINE producer/director Michael Kirk says. "How did it all go so bad so quickly? Who is responsible? How effective has the response from Washington and Wall Street been? Those are the questions at the heart of Inside the Meltdown."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/etc/synopsis.html

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/
 

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Give it a rest.
I wish I could.


So, did anyone who watched notice how this American media doc. conveniently avoided any details as to how the gubment repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act was to blame for the banks getting in over their head?
How allowing the banks to invest & speculate caused this meltdown?

The GSA specifically forbid banks from buying & selling of securites unless it was solely on the order of and for the account of customers.

What this act did was prevent Federally Insured Banks from using depositor assets for speculative profit by the bank itself.
In simple terms this means that the Bank is not allowed to GAMBLE with your money!
Read here:
http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/SPECIALREPORTS/GlassSteagall.html

So, why not mention something so fundamental to the reason the financial institutions were failing?


Did anyone also notice the conspicuous absence of any comments in regard to the "creative financing" or "non-traditional loans" that was the catalyst for the "Toxic Loans" infecting the financial sector?

We've all heard of the Sub-Prime mortgages but that is just one type.
Anybody heard of loans like Alt-A mortgages, option ARMs, interest-only loans, stated-income financing and super-jumbo mortgages?

This goes to the heart of the matter in why we are seeing the banking failures but this doc just seemed to avoid opening that Pandora's box.


I won't even go into the leverage Clinton & Co. exerted on Fannie Mae loans through the CRA regs.

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The PBS Frontline program "Inside the Meltdown" is a very, very good detailed explanation of what precipitated the current worldwide financial crisis... which is far from over yet, folks.

Contrary to Krustee's comment, there are references to "creative financing" and "non-traditional loans", particularly in the section of the program dealing with Lehman Brothers.

For example, (1) longer and longer amortization periods, up to 40 years, (2) mortgages where the borrower need only pay the interest, and (3) mortgages where not even the interest is paid and where the principal actually increases. None of these were "traditional" prior to the new wave of financing that fuelled the real estate "boom".

The program is available for viewing online at PBS.org.

The direct link is http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/view/
 

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The PBS Frontline program "Inside the Meltdown" is a very, very good detailed explanation of what precipitated the current worldwide financial crisis... which is far from over yet, folks.

Contrary to Krustee`s comment, there are references to "creative financing" and "non-traditional loans", particularly in the section of the program dealing with Lehman Brothers.

For example, (1) longer and longer amortization periods, up to 40 years, (2) mortgages where the borrower need only pay the interest, and (3) mortgages where not even the interest is paid and where the principal actually increases. None of these were "traditional" prior to the new wave of financing that fuelled the real estate "boom".

The program is available for viewing online at PBS.org.

The direct link is http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/view/
I stand corrected!
I should have worded it like this;
Did anyone also notice the conspicuous absence of any details in regard to the "creative financing" or "non-traditional loans" that was the catalyst for the "Toxic Loans" infecting the financial sector?
I still think CBC`s The Passionate Eye program I posted about previously, did a more thorough job of explaining the impact of these catalysts on the economy & made excellent correlations to the crash of 1929.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102195

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If wishes were horses, beggars would ride...
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are at the epicentre of the entire banking system, consolidating all regional banks in the U.S., and sending most of the profits to overseas banks.


Former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was a former Wall St. executive with Goldman Sachs. The person Obama put in to replace him, Tim Geithner was a former head of the N.Y. Federal Reserve branch, and recently hired former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs Mark Patterson to be his Treasury Chief of Staff. WTF, IS THIS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
 

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Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are at the epicentre of the entire banking system, consolidating all regional banks in the U.S., and sending most of the profits to overseas banks.


Former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was a former Wall St. executive with Goldman Sachs. The person Obama put in to replace him, Tim Geithner was a former head of the N.Y. Federal Reserve branch, and recently hired former lobbyist for Goldman Sachs Mark Patterson to be his Treasury Chief of Staff. WTF, IS THIS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
Seriously.... please take this crap to another forum... if I wanted to read about this, I would join The Globe And Mail Forum...
 

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In addition to the Passionate Eye documentary comparing the current crisis to the 1930's depression, there was also a very interesting documentary on CNN yesterday. It was a panel outlying what they thought the new stimulus package would do, along with usual issues of credit/liquidity crisis, etc.

Very interesting.

Most think the package itself isn't enough, but it's a good start. Today Obama announced a 75B package to deal with potential and/or pending mortage defaults. Basically trying to head these off at the pass.

The more I listen to Obama the better I like him. I can say I'm much more confident we'll ride this out over the next year or so, than I would be if Bush was trying to manage this.

In terms of predicting this, I recall about a year ago there was a cover of the Economist asking whether or not the housing bubble would pop slowingly or quickly. So it wasn't complete unanticipated, but I think the credit crunch and the impending fall out caught almost everyone by surprise.
 

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In addition to the Passionate Eye documentary comparing the current crisis to the 1930's depression, there was also a very interesting documentary on CNN yesterday. It was a panel outlying what they thought the new stimulus package would do, along with usual issues of credit/liquidity crisis, etc.

Very interesting.

Most think the package itself isn't enough, but it's a good start. Today Obama announced a 75B package to deal with potential and/or pending mortage defaults. Basically trying to head these off at the pass.

The more I listen to Obama the better I like him. I can say I'm much more confident we'll ride this out over the next year or so, than I would be if Bush was trying to manage this.

In terms of predicting this, I recall about a year ago there was a cover of the Economist asking whether or not the housing bubble would pop slowingly or quickly. So it wasn't complete unanticipated, but I think the credit crunch and the impending fall out caught almost everyone by surprise.
I was very hopeful that Obama would be different, in fact I was worried about his safety because I thought he was going to resist the globalists. Unfortunately, all the signs are there that it won't be, in fact it is probably going to be worse. At least with Bush everyone was suspicious because he played such a good moron... what they have done with Obama is turn him very cleverly into a messianic cult figure, who talks very smoothly, almost the opposite of Bush. This is to distract people from what is really going on in the world.
 

Krustee

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Seriously.... please take this crap to another forum... if I wanted to read about this, I would join The Globe And Mail Forum...
Try using the ignore feature!

(or are you too dense to figure that out?)

:rolleyes:

ps. Don't tell other members what they should be posting!
If you don't like it don't click on the damn thread!

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Krustee

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I was very hopeful that Obama would be different, in fact I was worried about his safety because I thought he was going to resist the globalists. Unfortunately, all the signs are there that it won't be, in fact it is probably going to be worse. At least with Bush everyone was suspicious because he played such a good moron... what they have done with Obama is turn him very cleverly into a messianic cult figure, who talks very smoothly, almost the opposite of Bush. This is to distract people from what is really going on in the world.
Yup, Obamer jist don't seem like yer typical Demcrat do he now?

 

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I was very hopeful that Obama would be different, in fact I was worried about his safety because I thought he was going to resist the globalists. Unfortunately, all the signs are there that it won't be, in fact it is probably going to be worse. At least with Bush everyone was suspicious because he played such a good moron... what they have done with Obama is turn him very cleverly into a messianic cult figure, who talks very smoothly, almost the opposite of Bush. This is to distract people from what is really going on in the world.
Well the markets seem to be keeping a pretty close eye on things. They certainly let people know whether or not investors are happy with a particular course of action.

Given the complexity of all the issues at hand, I think he's been stickhandingly things quite nicely up to this point.

Although I suppose it would have been prudent to have looked into the tax issues of those nominated for senior posts, I'd be surprised if obvious questions such as "are you current with your tax and filing obligations?" wouldn't have been asked.
 

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Well the markets seem to be keeping a pretty close eye on things. They certainly let people know whether or not investors are happy with a particular course of action.

Given the complexity of all the issues at hand, I think he's been stickhandingly things quite nicely up to this point.

Although I suppose it would have been prudent to have looked into the tax issues of those nominated for senior posts, I'd be surprised if obvious questions such as "are you current with your tax and filing obligations?" wouldn't have been asked.
Thank you for your well thought out reply. It seems some members of this forum think we are living in communist China, and want to control what people say. LOL
 
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