deposits and unreliable massage clients

[Katlyn]

I really really enjoy doing massage appointments. This is why, once I sorted out my school schedule and figured out how to make it work, I decided to continue offering them (rather than just say my time is worth $XXX/hr no matter what). BUT massage clients are consistently unreliable. They are the only clients I have ever had no-show on me and probably make up 75% of my advanced notice cancellations.

It seems silly to ask for a deposit on a $150 appointment but what is a girl to do? How do I ensure these guys are serious about their appointment? I never had a problem during the month and a half I didn't offer this and was only doing fs at $500/2hr. Everyone complains about high prices but then when I offer a lower priced service this happens.

Do you think it is reasonable of me then to request a small deposit from new clients? I don't want to turn away people that think this is a little too much but it is really ridiculous to have 20-30% of my clients a week (that would be 2 clients) no show on me (or cancel with less than a day's notice) and I am starting to seriously reconsider offering these reduced fee appointments because it is turning into such a hassel (and honestly starting to piss me off)...especially when I spend the same hour getting ready as I do for the fs appointments and travel for the same 70min that I have to travel to get to my incall, and spend the same half hour getting the place ready and lighting candles. When the alternative is to just not accept that appointment at all and instead take a higher paying appointment that WILL show up.

Input? Opinions? I like my R&T clients quite a bit but I don't like the ones that don't have enough respect for me to keep their appointment.

 

[Steven]

I tried to book an appt with you once and it was quite a hassel w/o being asked for a deposit . Several unanswed phone calls , unreturned e-mail . When I did finally make contact and made the appt. several days in advance you cancelled on me via e-mail , which I did check before heading out for the appt . You then e-mailed me with instructions on how to rebook an appt on your website with a "first come first served " notice . Really I couldnt be bothered . Toss a few more road blocks in there, and your phone won't ring at all . Sometimes you just have to deal with the trials and tribulations of your chosen profession.

 

[HB40]

I have found Katlyn very responsive to e-mails and appreciate her attention to details. No problems booking and she is receptive to my needs.

I wish there was an easy solution to no-shows, but I do think required deposits for R&T appointments would increase the chance of no-interests.
It's a tough sell and I don't think many would be buying.

 

[overdone]

I have found Katlyn very responsive to e-mails and appreciate her attention to details. No problems booking and she is receptive to my needs.

I wish there was an easy solution to no-shows, but I do think required deposits for R&T appointments would increase the chance of no-interests.
It's a tough sell and I don't think many would be buying.

Your booking her almost two months in advance in another Province.

 

[threepeat]

Input? Opinions?

1) Live with it
2) Try asking for a deposit and see how it flies. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and you stop doing it. Truthfully, I don't think it would work, but you could try it just to say you tried it.
3) Discontinue your R&Ts.
4) Only offer R&T option to regulars.
5) Only book R&Ts with another appointment back-to-back, so if the R&T cancels, you only wait an hour till the other appointment comes. That eliminates your get-ready time and driving time from the equation.
6) Have a backup booking with another client, so if the R&T customer cancels, call the backup client back and let him know you are now free and would he like to see you. Some guys might not like this, or their circumstances (ie., wife or girlfriend) might prevent them from taking the call, but one of my fave SPs had me on the practice roster once in a while and I loved it.

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

Should i get $ for the no shows by the sp?

 

[Miss*Bijou]

1) Live with it
2) Try asking for a deposit and see how it flies. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and you stop doing it. Truthfully, I don't think it would work, but you could try it just to say you tried it.
3) Discontinue your R&Ts.
4) Only offer R&T option to regulars.
5) Only book R&Ts with another appointment back-to-back, so if the R&T cancels, you only wait an hour till the other appointment comes. That eliminates your get-ready time and driving time from the equation.
6) Have a backup booking with another client, so if the R&T customer cancels, call the backup client back and let him know you are now free and would he like to see you. Some guys might not like this, or their circumstances (ie., wife or girlfriend) might prevent them from taking the call, but one of my fave SPs had me on the practice roster once in a while and I loved it.

wow. You've got everything covered....hmm. Wanna be my assistant?

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Should i get $ for the no shows by the sp?

NO, you get to post a review with all of her info, to let everyone know.
(Plus, you haven't lost money if she no-shows, it's still right in your pocket and ready for you to spend on your Plan B sp. )

Think about it this way; the next guy saves money from reading your review... next time you save money with his no-show review of another sp.. you make your money back ten fold.


Now, got a real argument, relevant comment or constructive suggestion to add? Would love to hear it.

 

[hunsperger]

katlyn, most of your customers, are cheating on their wives...

why would they honor their commitment to you...

best to finish your schooling and get a real job...

 

[Katlyn]

I do private lessons and yes, it DOES suck when people cancel without much notice.

What method do you have in mind for taking deposits?

Interac email money order or Amazon e-gift card

I tried to book an appt with you once and it was quite a hassel w/o being asked for a deposit . Several unanswed phone calls , unreturned e-mail . When I did finally make contact and made the appt. several days in advance you cancelled on me via e-mail , which I did check before heading out for the appt . You then e-mailed me with instructions on how to rebook an appt on your website with a "first come first served " notice . Really I couldnt be bothered . Toss a few more road blocks in there, and your phone won`t ring at all . Sometimes you just have to deal with the trials and tribulations of your chosen profession.

I never intend to look defensive but I really think that this is not an accurate representation of me and so I have to make a comment.

I ALWAYS return emails so I am shocked that you say unanswered emails. I did discover some clients were sending emails to katlyn @ gmail . com and not my real address, perhaps you sent a couple like that? Just now I have gone back through all my massage emails in my gmail account and I can not find any that are unanswered (perhaps delayed by a day and not replied to until a second email came in, but not unanswered...sometimes things come up and it can take a day to get a reply). As for the phone, I have never denied that I prefer email contact as it is very difficult for me to make/answer phone calls in private.

Also if a client books with me via email I will continue contact via email. I will NEVER call unless he knows I am calling in advance.

I think I may know who this poster is but without saying exactly when your appointment was I can not explain. If it was when I first moved into my new incall space, which I suspect it was, then yes, it was difficult to book an R&T massage with me because my new roommate already had August prebooked with her appointments and there was not much time left available for me and I had all these fs requests coming in and was trying to make my tuition. I tried to continue doing the hotel rental thing and holding a couple of massage incall days but after a couple of weeks of having a difficult time scheduling R&Ts in I decided to stop offering them because it was proving to be a real hassel for both me and the clients. I did not want to be putting people out like that. That is why I said, in THIS thread that I just started, that once I sorted everything out I started offering the R&T again.

I am sorry you were cancelled on and were upset that I told you appointments are on a first come first serve basis. I reply to every email I receive, usually within a couple hours; I have only had to cancel appointments a couple times (twice due to being very sick and once due to a personal problem) and I do everything in my power to reach clients in a safe way (ie NOT by leaving voicemail) including posting on this board (such as this thread). Personally, I would rather a client/potential client think I no-showed HIM and have him give me a bad review than risk outing him to his partner. As an escort my reputation relies on discretion more than a bad review.

And this isn`t about my phone not ringing at all, but thanks for the personal jab...I am fine with the other appointments, I do not need to take R&Ts I just actually really like them and I like the type of clients they attract

NO, you get to post a review with all of her info, to let everyone know.

Definitely true! And this is something I do NOT do with a no-show. I do not share no-show information with other SPs but you are more than welcome to post a bad review of me if you show up at my door knocking and I do not answer

 

[Katlyn]

katlyn, most of your customers, are cheating on their wives...

why would they honor their commitment to you...

best to finish your schooling and get a real job...

actually a legitimate point...most of my fs clients are young single guys but almost all of my R&Ts are married.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

oh he's been banned before (for making some pretty sick and disturbing comments, no less)

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

They cant go around banning everybody. Didnt think his last post was such a big deal that he'll get banned

oh he's been banned before (for making some pretty sick and disturbing comments, no less)

 

[MrPeterNorth]

What's that supposed to mean Chet?

It's probably quite true!

Personally I would never book with anyone that required a deposit. The idea behind doing this is to be discrete and not leave paper trails. In a way leaving a deposit sort of punishes the good guys, because the good guys are the only ones who would go through the extra work to give a deposit. I would even go so far as to say that when it comes to R&T type of service, the looks of the girl are a fair bit less important - and that it's just a means to an end. And in simple business terms - the most convenient method usually always wins, all other things being equal.

 

[Katlyn]

What's that supposed to mean Chet?

It's probably quite true!

Personally I would never book with anyone that required a deposit. The idea behind doing this is to be discrete and not leave paper trails. In a way leaving a deposit sort of punishes the good guys, because the good guys are the only ones who would go through the extra work to give a deposit. I would even go so far as to say that when it comes to R&T type of service, the looks of the girl are a fair bit less important - and that it's just a means to an end. And in simple business terms - the most convenient method usually always wins, all other things being equal.

YES! This is exactly it!! The clients that show up are AMAZING. I love them to bits and enjoy the session so much. But these other guys are making it really hard for me to want to continue to offer it. References don't work, I have gotten glowing references only to have the guy cancel 30 min before.

I just don't know what to do...I don't want to loose out on those great new clients but when I turn down an fs appointment because I have an R&T scheduled (I won't reschedule a lower paying appointment for a higher one, it's just not right) and then the R&T no-shows...well it is really a deterrent against scheduling those R&Ts in the first place when I have such a limited availability to work within. That is exactly what happened today and I've had another R&T cancel on Saturday after I've turned away other clients (did give notice but still my point is noone but R&Ts cancel with me).

 

[Arrrg]

Well it's simple really

Which option makes you more money in the end of the week/month:

1) FS only
2) FS + R&T (even though there are cancellations)

I imagine #2 as R&T gives you the opportunity to fill in the gaps.

 

[MelanieM]

katlyn, most of your customers, are cheating on their wives...

why would they honor their commitment to you...

best to finish your schooling and get a real job...

"Get A Real JOB"
Wow! Pretty disturbed that you actually just said that!?!

 

[ReluctantPooner]

From what I've read - only continue the R & T's with existing reliable clients, otherwise go to FS. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Katlyn]

I think the email list is a good idea...something I did when I was only doing R&Ts and then stopped for some reason when I went to fs. I will try that for a couple weeks and see how it goes.

Thank you perbites for your input

 

[Miss*Bijou]

They cant go around banning everybody. Didnt think his last post was such a big deal that he'll get banned

i didn't say anything about his last post..
In response to the previous post, I simply said that he had been banned before, and that the reason he did get banned then, was for a sick and disturbing comment (or two).

Where do you see anything about his last comment?


And no, his last comment was no worthy of getting him banned, but his usual condescending comments, and his (sp) rescuer delusions, to only name a couple, hopefully will. 'Nuff said.