$350 the new rate or WTF?
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So charging lower than 350 renders someone low class and not respectable?
Kind of remind me of an argument I had with a GF while shopping for furniture and appliances together. I picked washer and dryer combo A, she picked combo B.
Her: We should choose the one I picked.
Me: (Still thinking about practicality, energy efficiency, brand, origin of manufacturer, warranty, etc, etc.) Why?
Her: Because it's more expensive.
Me: Fucking speechless.
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I have to disagree with you and stick up for me and the other girls who do not charge more than 300/hr. I charge 250/hr, see no more that 2 clients per day and I am doing well for myself. In fact, I have managed to almost completely pay off my student loans from over 4 years of school. I can't imagine what girl would have such expenses that would have to be met by seeing 7-10 clients at 250 ($2500/day)
I do agree with you that a girl should charge as much as she wants. But just because someone share 400/hr and another person charges 250/hr doesn't not automatically mean that the 400/hr is "higher class", better looking or will provide a better experience. I can also assure you, my clients that pay 250 are all very "respectful, high class clientèle".
Yes, I could charge more since I am often booked up for weeks and I have been told many times that I am undervaluing myself. It's just I feel that $250/hour is reasonable, when you think about it's actually quite high. If my expenses increase in the future then, yes, I may raise my rates or see more clients but for the moment I am comfortable. Yes, there are men with tons of cash to blow who like to see very expensive women as a boost to their ego; those guys are usually the assholes in my opinion. I'd prefer to stay in the range where any good, hard working, gentleman can save up to see me for a treat now and then.
Forgive me if I have misunderstood you, I don't think you meant to be insulting to everyone who charges 250 but it is insinuated.
Just a quick note about my generation: Grammar and spelling were hardly taught to us in Canadian schools, so only those who took an active interest in such pursuits emerged from the system with any kind of decent literary skill. It's quite discouraging to see how poor my generation is at simple reading and writing. So many people don't know how to use there/their/they're or start sentences with "But", "And" or "Because" inappropriately.
Obviously, internet forums are not places of great depth so grammar and spelling aren't as important as making your point. However, your point of view is lost if it's incomprehensible.
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***Sits down and begins to read a certain paper by Oppheimher. ***
your rant is bang on. hard working men that were not born into money or had it thrown at them by stroke of luck but who actually go out and put in a hard days work 8 - 12 hours 5 days a week must surely be "low class" to a lot of these women./Rant
I have to disagree with you and stick up for me and the other girls who do not charge more than 300/hr. I charge 250/hr, see no more that 2 clients per day and I am doing well for myself. In fact, I have managed to almost completely pay off my student loans from over 4 years of school. I can't imagine what girl would have such expenses that would have to be met by seeing 7-10 clients at 250 ($2500/day)
I do agree with you that a girl should charge as much as she wants. But just because someone share 400/hr and another person charges 250/hr doesn't not automatically mean that the 400/hr is "higher class", better looking or will provide a better experience. I can also assure you, my clients that pay 250 are all very "respectful, high class clientèle".
Yes, I could charge more since I am often booked up for weeks and I have been told many times that I am undervaluing myself. It's just I feel that $250/hour is reasonable, when you think about it's actually quite high. If my expenses increase in the future then, yes, I may raise my rates or see more clients but for the moment I am comfortable. Yes, there are men with tons of cash to blow who like to see very expensive women as a boost to their ego; those guys are usually the assholes in my opinion. I'd prefer to stay in the range where any good, hard working, gentleman can save up to see me for a treat now and then.
Forgive me if I have misunderstood you, I don't think you meant to be insulting to everyone who charges 250 but it is insinuated.
Just a quick note about my generation: Grammar and spelling were hardly taught to us in Canadian schools, so only those who took an active interest in such pursuits emerged from the system with any kind of decent literary skill. It's quite discouraging to see how poor my generation is at simple reading and writing. So many people don't know how to use there/their/they're or start sentences with "But", "And" or "Because" inappropriately.
Obviously, internet forums are not places of great depth so grammar and spelling aren't as important as making your point. However, your point of view is lost if it's incomprehensible.
/End Rant
***Sits down and begins to read a certain paper by Oppheimher. ***
while yes i do believe it is every woman's right to charge whatever the hell they want, i think "rates" keep being brought up because it is very hard for some of us to justify paying what often times takes a full days work to make (some less, some more) only to pay it to a "high class" sp for one hour with really not a hell of a lot to show for afterwards.
also for the record sex is looked at differently by men and women to a degree. for most men the thinking is "wow that broad just made more in one hour then i did in a day by laying on her back and taking some cock."
I guess my question is, what constitutes high class? In a client, is it just the fact that they have no problem shelling out obscene amounts of money on a single session? For an sp, is it simply that she charges an obscene amount of money?
I can see a person of class needing to dress well, show good manners, be respectful of others, be well educated and have a generous nature.
With that said, I don't think that providing a service to a rich person makes you a high class escort, nor does forking over big dough make you high class clientele.
I can see a person of class needing to dress well, show good manners, be respectful of others, be well educated and have a generous nature.
With that said, I don't think that providing a service to a rich person makes you a high class escort, nor does forking over big dough make you high class clientele.
/Rant
I have to disagree with you and stick up for me and the other girls who do not charge more than 300/hr. I charge 250/hr, see no more that 2 clients per day and I am doing well for myself. In fact, I have managed to almost completely pay off my student loans from over 4 years of school. I can't imagine what girl would have such expenses that would have to be met by seeing 7-10 clients at 250 ($2500/day)
I do agree with you that a girl should charge as much as she wants. But just because someone share 400/hr and another person charges 250/hr doesn't not automatically mean that the 400/hr is "higher class", better looking or will provide a better experience. I can also assure you, my clients that pay 250 are all very "respectful, high class clientèle".
Yes, I could charge more since I am often booked up for weeks and I have been told many times that I am undervaluing myself. It's just I feel that $250/hour is reasonable, when you think about it's actually quite high. If my expenses increase in the future then, yes, I may raise my rates or see more clients but for the moment I am comfortable. Yes, there are men with tons of cash to blow who like to see very expensive women as a boost to their ego; those guys are usually the assholes in my opinion. I'd prefer to stay in the range where any good, hard working, gentleman can save up to see me for a treat now and then.
Forgive me if I have misunderstood you, I don't think you meant to be insulting to everyone who charges 250 but it is insinuated.
Just a quick note about my generation: Grammar and spelling were hardly taught to us in Canadian schools, so only those who took an active interest in such pursuits emerged from the system with any kind of decent literary skill. It's quite discouraging to see how poor my generation is at simple reading and writing. So many people don't know how to use there/their/they're or start sentences with "But", "And" or "Because" inappropriately.
Obviously, internet forums are not places of great depth so grammar and spelling aren't as important as making your point. However, your point of view is lost if it's incomprehensible.
/End Rant
***Sits down and begins to read a certain paper by Oppheimher. ***
Hey hun, no I wasn't meaning at all to be insulting to anyone. If you are happy charging $250 thats cool, I wasn't trying to put down your choices. I noticed though with my Calgary trip by charging $400/hr I had alot more respectful clientele that we're very enjoyable. Its hard dealing with many rude people trying to negotiate a lower rate when I am selling my body here in Vancouver. Maybe it was had nothing to do with rates, but it made me consider raising my rates here in Van if I had not been retiring shortly. I have also spoken to Nikki-Amore and she has said this is the reason she has raised her rates as well.
I think the sps who raise their rates do so, as Angel Skye mentions, for a reason that is quite unknown to nice guys. I spoke to one sp (her rates were generally lower -- age, service offered, location, etc, all contribute to pricing) once who did one of those $/hh specials whenever she wanted to make quick cash. Altho she would only do it for one day a couple of times a month, she decided in the end to never do it again, and in addition to raise her regular hh and hourly rates to 140 from 125, and 200 from 175.
Now, I know you're saying, damn those are great rates. Plus, look at that 100/hh just how busy she must have been.
And yet, she decided, having done it and proved your point re: busier, that she would NEVER do it again, and would RAISE her rates overall.
Her reason: lower rates resulted in more demanding clients, who expected more than her regular services, to be able to go overtime without extra charges, there was a higher incidence of no shows, time wasters and guys who were more disrespectful than she normally encountered. It was her belief that lifting her rates up however small, would reduce these undesireable clients. If she valued her work at a higher rate, then the client would as well. As long as she lowered her rate, they felt that she was a lower class sp and they could treat her as such.
Now, I know you're saying, damn those are great rates. Plus, look at that 100/hh just how busy she must have been.
And yet, she decided, having done it and proved your point re: busier, that she would NEVER do it again, and would RAISE her rates overall.
Her reason: lower rates resulted in more demanding clients, who expected more than her regular services, to be able to go overtime without extra charges, there was a higher incidence of no shows, time wasters and guys who were more disrespectful than she normally encountered. It was her belief that lifting her rates up however small, would reduce these undesireable clients. If she valued her work at a higher rate, then the client would as well. As long as she lowered her rate, they felt that she was a lower class sp and they could treat her as such.
Every lady has the right to decide how to run her business, no question of that. I think Babylon's position and often mine is that to assume a lower rate correlates with a less classy SP or Client is simply a bunch of crap, as is assuming lower rates means all those ladies are seeing 10 gentlemen a day.
Wording online is important and trust me I know that first hand, but I do see where a few posts could be taken as " higher prices means better", and it doesn't and simply throws everyone into one pot.
My rates fluctuate due to many different reasons, primarily that this is a second job for me and depending on travel etc I may be working for a couple weeks, then off for a week or two.
Regardless of that rate, my service or session does not change, neither does my screening and if I am even remotely uncomfortable with a call or someone approaches me in a disrespectful manner I don't see them.
I really do not believe there is a connection --rich guys can be asses just as middle class can and let's face it, very few on the "low scale" can afford to pay even the more moderate rates. I also don't think the old adage " you get what you pay for" doesn't always rings true either. There are many reviews of very expensive SP's that are "mechanical", again impossible to put everyone in one pot.
And, most important for me- when I do offer a lower rate I tend to gain and retain regular clientele , regardless of a rate I MUCH prefer to entertain regular guests that I actually enjoy and have a little chemistry with.
At the end of the day, each lady will do what works best for them and rightly so.
However after reading everyone's response here and in other similar threads regarding rates, IMHO I do think that people should be cautious to put everyone in a stereotypical group, really isn't flattering to either side.
Wording online is important and trust me I know that first hand, but I do see where a few posts could be taken as " higher prices means better", and it doesn't and simply throws everyone into one pot.
My rates fluctuate due to many different reasons, primarily that this is a second job for me and depending on travel etc I may be working for a couple weeks, then off for a week or two.
Regardless of that rate, my service or session does not change, neither does my screening and if I am even remotely uncomfortable with a call or someone approaches me in a disrespectful manner I don't see them.
I really do not believe there is a connection --rich guys can be asses just as middle class can and let's face it, very few on the "low scale" can afford to pay even the more moderate rates. I also don't think the old adage " you get what you pay for" doesn't always rings true either. There are many reviews of very expensive SP's that are "mechanical", again impossible to put everyone in one pot.
And, most important for me- when I do offer a lower rate I tend to gain and retain regular clientele , regardless of a rate I MUCH prefer to entertain regular guests that I actually enjoy and have a little chemistry with.
At the end of the day, each lady will do what works best for them and rightly so.
However after reading everyone's response here and in other similar threads regarding rates, IMHO I do think that people should be cautious to put everyone in a stereotypical group, really isn't flattering to either side.
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I think it's attitude, and not an "I'm classy" attitude but a friendly disposition and someone who treats others with the respect every human deserves. It has nothing to do with money in my opinion. I know some pretty shitty people who have a lot of money and I also know some incredibly classy and respectable people who are below poverty line.
So with that said, the statements that we have seen claiming that raising rates to $400.00+/hour attracts a more classy clientele can be discarded as mere rubbish?
Pricing versus respect
This has been an educating string of conversations. I am researching for a business trip and have had my eyes opened about a few things. First and foremost (is there an E in foremost Babylon?) is that independant SPs are saavy business women with big workloads in a competive supply and demand industry. Higher prices sort out a lot of things in this world. If there are guys who will pay more well thats just a matter of perspective on value.Maybe the girls find that the guys that pay more have more invested in a positive encounter and work harder for a successful session. There is a price threshold where demand will drop but it sounds like the SPs know their (see Babylon their not there) business. The surprising thing that I am picking up listening to Katlyn and Skye and Nina etc is that there is a sense of loyalty they have to their existing stable of customers. They seem proud about their clients satisfaction levels and those are the girls I would like to meet. You just can't see these qualities in the ads or reviews.
This has been an educating string of conversations. I am researching for a business trip and have had my eyes opened about a few things. First and foremost (is there an E in foremost Babylon?) is that independant SPs are saavy business women with big workloads in a competive supply and demand industry. Higher prices sort out a lot of things in this world. If there are guys who will pay more well thats just a matter of perspective on value.Maybe the girls find that the guys that pay more have more invested in a positive encounter and work harder for a successful session. There is a price threshold where demand will drop but it sounds like the SPs know their (see Babylon their not there) business. The surprising thing that I am picking up listening to Katlyn and Skye and Nina etc is that there is a sense of loyalty they have to their existing stable of customers. They seem proud about their clients satisfaction levels and those are the girls I would like to meet. You just can't see these qualities in the ads or reviews.
A large number of women I corresponded with confirmed this dynamics.
Of course, this is not a set rule. Of course, there are great people at all income levels. But it does appear that setting one's rates relatively higher is one of the tools of weeding out inconsiderate and overly demanding people.
Other tools could include self-presentation or the level of communication before the date: if a lady positions herself as intelligent and "whole package", is honest and genuine in her approach, and works on cultivating relationships, I am sure she will see great, fun, and respectful clients at any rate.
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Another good question raised was what constitutes "high class". I wonder if that is a wrong wording.
As an SP, what do you want, ideally? I think that you want a date that is enjoyable - fun, considerate, interesting, respectful of your boundaries and desires - and pays well. So "class" is really only about being respectful, good-natured and considerate. Then whether people find each other fun or interesting depends on personalities and how they mesh.
Personally, my solution has been seeking compatibility rather than "class": I present my personality as much as I can and appeal to people who are attracted to me rather than just any escort. I think Babylon and Nina Leone have a similar approach: I find their voices to be very distinctive.
No...I can't speak for anyone else and neither can you so please do not put words in my mouth or infer things I did not say. But what the other girls have been saying about lower prices is true. There is a certain price point, and it is different for each SP, where once you drop below it clients start to treat you poorly, demand more, do more no-shows etc. For one SP that price point may be $200/hr for another it may be $300/hr or higher and in this case yes I would say, by my definition of class, that I would consider the latter clients higher classed.
When I briefly advertised a rate lower than I now have I got dozens of phone calls from really rude guys who wanted the world for the fee and wanted me to drop to a half hour rate instead and still get the world for it. They were incredibly rude on the phone, very demanding, and I got the impression they just wanted to blow a load and cared not who it was with, in what manner, nor how they treated the whore they had paid to take it. I am certain there are respectful and high classed men in this fee range but the majority were not something I wanted to deal with and so I decided on a higher fee.
Perhaps it is because I am a mid-20's thin petite brunette and the agencies are full of them so I really am a dime a dozen to the guys that are used to paying $200 at an agency....in fact Carmen Fox told me they would not be able to get me any work because they already had too many thin petite brunettes (and btw almost all of their girls are $300/hr or more). So since I am one of many many many options to the $200/hr agency and CL crowd it is easier for them to forget that I am a human being and not simply a bought object. The price I have set now attracts clients that treat me with respect, so yes I consider them higher classed.
I'm glad you have seen that...it's not just us though, most of the indys on this board share these qualities. That is what sets an indy apart
yeah, I typically try to keep it under $200 in the burbs or $250 in the city unless she's exceptional. I also try not to go under $160 as quality usually drops dramatically below that point. there's a small window.
Thanks, I guess? Um... I think I can answer this one.
Escorting has been a wonderful opportunity for me, and many other young girls. Besides the obvious benefits of getting paid to have lots of great sex, indulging your voyeuristic/naughty side, getting more in touch with your sexuality/ sensuality (Libido through the roof -OMG!!); it also increases confidence, and allows you to broaden your academic horizons if you wish it. You not only have the time, but also the resources to pursue your interests and hobbies, greatly suiting an inquisitive nature. You get to meet a wide diversity of great people whom you would NEVER get to meet otherwise.
Escorting has paid off most of my student debts, allowed me start saving for retirement and more schooling. Why aren't more naughty college girls escorting??? The archaic notion that only "fallen women" or bleach-brained, money hungry call-girls would become SPs. Of course, this job isn't for everyone; to do well and most importantly ENJOY YOURSELF you have to a healthy life-style and mind, high self-worth, truly love men and love sex and most importantly have a really good sense of humour!!
It's quite strange to have the epiphany that "gee, I make a really great whore!"
And you know what, I'm not going to go on about rates or how I sad it is that when girls are PO'd the use passive-aggressive terms like "sweetie" or "hun" (who's with me? - it sucks!) --- I'm gonna post this now before I piss anymore people off and I'm not even gonna re-read it for grammatical mistakes or spelin neither
Isn't kind of hypocritical to finish saying that you know lots of people with money who are complete asses and those below poverty who have "dignity and class", then go on to say that having a high-price (obviously for those with more money) are classier?
I hate to break it to you sweetheart - but we are there just to blow a load. I'm going to have to call a spade a spade here. I'm not going to treat you poorly, but if seeing you wasn't about 'getting off', what would it be about? Building long-lasting 'relationships'? Please. As soon as the money stops flowing, so does that 'relationship'. If I wanted a long-lasting relationship, that's what real girlfriends are for. Men have wives or girlfriends for the 'companionship'. For the most part I'm looking to live out some kinks and have some hot sweaty sex as well.
I find that once you cross the $200/hr line, more services need to be offered to justify the higher-price. I would never pay $300+/hr for someone that's non-GFE.
I hate to break it to you sweetheart - but we are there just to blow a load. I'm going to have to call a spade a spade here. I'm not going to treat you poorly, but if seeing you wasn't about 'getting off', what would it be about? Building long-lasting 'relationships'? Please. As soon as the money stops flowing, so does that 'relationship'. If I wanted a long-lasting relationship, that's what real girlfriends are for. Men have wives or girlfriends for the 'companionship'. For the most part I'm looking to live out some kinks and have some hot sweaty sex as well.
I find that once you cross the $200/hr line, more services need to be offered to justify the higher-price. I would never pay $300+/hr for someone that's non-GFE.
But pooning prices DO NOT flow with the economy. I dont know about BC's economy that much but down here the economy is pitiful. A decent job now is one that starts at 14-15 per hour even if youre a college grad. I'm not talking about being a graduate majoring in rocket science but your general business student.
Well know ladies with a good rep are at least 260 per hour no matter how tough the times are. Is it embarrasing or a matter of losing face to charge less when times are tough for the average joe out there.
I dont know about the rest of you but for 300 per hour I better get a fantasy girl for that price. One that looks like some actress or a porn star I dream about. If not I have some clothes and shoes to buy for that kind of dough.
Well know ladies with a good rep are at least 260 per hour no matter how tough the times are. Is it embarrasing or a matter of losing face to charge less when times are tough for the average joe out there.
I dont know about the rest of you but for 300 per hour I better get a fantasy girl for that price. One that looks like some actress or a porn star I dream about. If not I have some clothes and shoes to buy for that kind of dough.
