where did I say how much I love guns? and where did i say how safe they were?
If we had a handgun ban shit like this would not happen
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where did I say how much I love guns? and where did i say how safe they were?
Does anyone on here actually know our gun laws???
I've just gone through this thread and read an incredible number of misconceptions. As a fairly recent graduate of the licensing program, let me do my best to clear up a few things.
There are 3 main categories of firearms in Canada.
1) Long Guns - These include your standard hunting rifles and shotguns. All long guns must be registered and stored unloaded with a trigger lock or in a gun safe. This is the easiest license to get. FYI: The rifle that was used in the Polytechnique (SP?? Sorry) massacre that started this whole registry nonsense (a mini-14) is still considered just a long-gun. Also, it is legal to walk down Robson st. with an unloaded long gun over your shoulder. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's legal.
2) Restricted Firearm - This includes semi-automatic handguns with a barrel length longer than 4-1/8". It also includes scary looking long guns that the registry people decided should be restricted. Handguns can not have a magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds, and you need a additional permit to transport them anywhere! You can only get a permit that allows you to transport restricted firearms to a gun range or a weapon smith (with a few exceptions). They must be locked in a box with a trigger lock or in a gun safe. You may only fire your restricted firearm at an approved range and you must be an active member of a range to buy a restricted firearm - the license itself is not enough.
I'm pretty sure every time a handgun is used in a crime, somebody broke one of those rules.
3) Prohibited Firearms - You can't have these. This includes automatic weapons, sawed off shotguns and a variety of other nasty toys. A very few people are allowed to have handguns with short barrels, but you must have owned these before the ban came into effect.
Next, we've been registering and controlling hand guns in this country for about 100 years. The only thing new about the gun registry is its insane bureaucracy and the registration of long guns.
When a gun is registered, no sample of a fired casing or round is collected. There is no way for police to trace a bullet or spent casing to a specific registered firearm without having that firearm.
Handgun ownership is less than 1% in this county and is much lower in most urban areas. So if I'm a criminal looking for a hand-gun am I going to break into about 100 homes and search them high an low for a locked case or safe to steal a gun from - I don't think so. The argument that criminals are out there stealing lawfully registered handguns by the hundred and thousands is just ridiculous.
Still think a handgun ban is the way to go. So did Washington, DC in 1975. By 1990 that city was known as the murder capital of the developed world.
OK... that's my rant. Please feel free to flame away at me and correct me if I made a mistake.
I've just gone through this thread and read an incredible number of misconceptions. As a fairly recent graduate of the licensing program, let me do my best to clear up a few things.
There are 3 main categories of firearms in Canada.
1) Long Guns - These include your standard hunting rifles and shotguns. All long guns must be registered and stored unloaded with a trigger lock or in a gun safe. This is the easiest license to get. FYI: The rifle that was used in the Polytechnique (SP?? Sorry) massacre that started this whole registry nonsense (a mini-14) is still considered just a long-gun. Also, it is legal to walk down Robson st. with an unloaded long gun over your shoulder. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's legal.
2) Restricted Firearm - This includes semi-automatic handguns with a barrel length longer than 4-1/8". It also includes scary looking long guns that the registry people decided should be restricted. Handguns can not have a magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds, and you need a additional permit to transport them anywhere! You can only get a permit that allows you to transport restricted firearms to a gun range or a weapon smith (with a few exceptions). They must be locked in a box with a trigger lock or in a gun safe. You may only fire your restricted firearm at an approved range and you must be an active member of a range to buy a restricted firearm - the license itself is not enough.
I'm pretty sure every time a handgun is used in a crime, somebody broke one of those rules.
3) Prohibited Firearms - You can't have these. This includes automatic weapons, sawed off shotguns and a variety of other nasty toys. A very few people are allowed to have handguns with short barrels, but you must have owned these before the ban came into effect.
Next, we've been registering and controlling hand guns in this country for about 100 years. The only thing new about the gun registry is its insane bureaucracy and the registration of long guns.
When a gun is registered, no sample of a fired casing or round is collected. There is no way for police to trace a bullet or spent casing to a specific registered firearm without having that firearm.
Handgun ownership is less than 1% in this county and is much lower in most urban areas. So if I'm a criminal looking for a hand-gun am I going to break into about 100 homes and search them high an low for a locked case or safe to steal a gun from - I don't think so. The argument that criminals are out there stealing lawfully registered handguns by the hundred and thousands is just ridiculous.
Still think a handgun ban is the way to go. So did Washington, DC in 1975. By 1990 that city was known as the murder capital of the developed world.
OK... that's my rant. Please feel free to flame away at me and correct me if I made a mistake.
yea i re did my license its all accurate orb.
Imagine if we all had guns, would anyone be stupid enuff to commit a serious crime????
Imagine if we all had guns, would anyone be stupid enuff to commit a serious crime????
And if you really want to know how crazy the bureaucracy of the firearms code is read this bulletin:
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/ShootingCR/bulletin11_e.asp
If you can understand it, you'll see just how crazy the laws are and you'll begin to under the pains lawful gun owners have to go to comply.
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/ShootingCR/bulletin11_e.asp
If you can understand it, you'll see just how crazy the laws are and you'll begin to under the pains lawful gun owners have to go to comply.
ban criminals not guns
not really, if there are unregistered guns at a residence, how are they protecting themselves, besides swat teaming each and every police responce
As the NFA likes to put it: "It doesn't have to make sense. It's policy"orb; said:
What it means, in plain English:
Under Can. regs., magazine capacities are restricted to 10 (handguns) and 5 (rifles) rounds.
If the rifle design can accept *unmodified* handgun magazines, then that particular rifle model can be legally used with a 10-shot magazine.
If the rifle magazine, again unmodified, does not fit in a handgun, then it legally can only hold 5 cartridges. Clear?
It doesn't matter whether it is originally a "handgun" calibre or not. Which means that if somebody were to come with a handgun monstrosity in, say .585 Nyati, and then design a rifle that would accept that magazine: voila, you have a legal, 10-shot "cape buffalo" rifle.
10 shot "cape buffalo " ......rifle, you turned it into a rifle , now your back to 5 rounds legally. Too much effort, get an M1 Gerrand. Holds 8 rounds by design and perfectly legal
Just my 5 shots worth
So if you happened to be a collector and owned automatic weapons before the law changed you would still have those weapons. If one was an Uzi, and the another was a Browning Hi-Power, the clip from the Uzi would work in the Browning, and you have a pistol with a 32 round capacity. Bang On.
uncleg: There was no grandfathering on automatic weapons. As far as I know, it is completely impossible for a private citizen to legally own an automatic weapon in this country.
Also, I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure the Uzi magazine would not fit in a browning handgun. It might be the same ammo, but the guns / manufacturer are completely different.
4ByFish: 8 round magazine for an M1 is illegal in Canada. It would have to be pinned to 5, which is the maximum allowed for any semi-automatic riffle.
Also, I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure the Uzi magazine would not fit in a browning handgun. It might be the same ammo, but the guns / manufacturer are completely different.
4ByFish: 8 round magazine for an M1 is illegal in Canada. It would have to be pinned to 5, which is the maximum allowed for any semi-automatic riffle.
Before anyone corrects me, apparently I'm wrong, twice.
An M1 with an 8 round magazine is legal - special exception to the law.
And it is possible to be grandfathered and allowed to legally own automatic weapons - you would have had to have owned one before it was banned.
An M1 with an 8 round magazine is legal - special exception to the law.
And it is possible to be grandfathered and allowed to legally own automatic weapons - you would have had to have owned one before it was banned.
It's not a very hard thing to reload your own bullets. Equipment and supplies are readily available.
Actually...
orb: Look it up if you want, but I'd like to point out that the Uzi is actually a machine PISTOL. Hence there are some interchangeable/compatible parts. This by the way holds true for a number of different weapons. The M1 Garand and M14 come to mind. There are a number of others, so feel free to look them up.
you were wrong three times. I used to use an Uzi clip in a Browning when I was competition shooting. The drill was that you went through a course where you were expected to have to change clips at least twice. The rule was that you had to start with an original clip, but could go to whatever you wanted to on the change, or after you had fired your first round. I would fire two, then change to the Uzi clip and not have to change again for the course. Made for a significant difference in time.
orb: Look it up if you want, but I'd like to point out that the Uzi is actually a machine PISTOL. Hence there are some interchangeable/compatible parts. This by the way holds true for a number of different weapons. The M1 Garand and M14 come to mind. There are a number of others, so feel free to look them up.
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Don't count on it - people were gettin' killed long before guns were even thought of.
Am I the only one that finds it odd that some people who's hobby is on the edge of legality want the govt to ban something? Why not ban pornography and prostitution? How about cracking down on Section 159(3)a of the Criminal Code?
Remember, we are only as free as the least free amongst us.
Remember, we are only as free as the least free amongst us.
as a matter of fact
YES - Airport security is an unbelievable waste of time and money - far cheaper to give the flight crew a separate door they can only enter and leave from the ground and give em their own toilet and microwave. No door to the cockpit from the passenger compartment - no hijacking. We lose more people to traffic accidents every DAY than were lost in the Trade Tower fiasco. WOFT
