If we had a handgun ban shit like this would not happen

[uncleg]

Fudd : "the needs of the many......." Comes from Spock on Star Trek. Sort of like your information on handguns.
Ballistics / grooves on the bullet will help you match a slug to a particular weapon, if you find the weapon. In and of themselves they do not provide any clue as to the weapon used except the caliber. Even then it can be a bitch, in that there is usually not a lot of usable bullet left after it has hit a body. Ever seen one that has been pulled out of a body?
As to 9mm and .45 being handgun calibers, true but ever heard of an Uzi, Mac-10, MAC-11, MP5S, shall I continue ? All are automatic weapons that are not handguns. All use either, 9mm or .45 rounds, except the the MAC-11 which uses a 9mm short / .380 round.
As to your ban, give it a rest. With the border we have with the U.S. and the gun laws in the States being what they are, you will never stop guns from the U.S. coming into Canada for people that want them, and they don't have to be stolen. Go to any gun show in the U.S. on any given weekend and you can buy all the guns you want and nearly any type you want. All you need then is the means to get them back across the border, which is also easy enough to do. Better still, go pick up a copy of the Shotgun News, you can mail order all the necessary parts and build your own gun that nobody can trace. C.S.I. may look good in Miami and Vegas and whatever, but it don't work that way in real life.

 

[Fudd]

Its all too true that the US is a major source of guns and that the border not matter how secure we make it cannot be fully sealed off. Best thing to do is to work with the US to stop it at the source.

 

[d_Duck55]

Well, imagine a situation where there is two people inside a restaurant surrounded by other people and one way or the other you want them dead. You don't own a gun because your a good law abiding citizen and guns are bad, how do you kill those two people then? A bomb obviously, maybe a pipe bomb or more likely a car bomb. Might take out an extra dozen or two but oh well, got the two you wanted. Thank God guns are banned.

A bomb? Right ..... more likely baseball bats in the parking lot. Advantage: fewer bystanders killed. Hey wait, call me racist but it would be nunchuks in the parking lot LOL.

How about a minimum 15 years prison on the first offense with no parole for carrying an unlicensed handgun? then thus guys would go back to spears or baseball bats or nunchuks or chainsaws .... and fewer bystanders would get shot!

 

[ronnyraygun]

the bill to do just that is being stalled by unelected Liberal senators

A bomb? Right ..... more likely baseball bats in the parking lot. Advantage: fewer bystanders killed. Hey wait, call me racist but it would be nunchuks in the parking lot LOL.

How about a minimum 15 years prison on the first offense with no parole for carrying an unlicensed handgun? then thus guys would go back to spears or baseball bats or nunchuks or chainsaws .... and fewer bystanders would get shot!

but why stop at guns, many mores deaths per year in Canada due to knives, apply it to "any weapon"

 

[curmudgeon]

I think you better get your facts strait!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070809.wvanshooting0809/BNStory/National/home

"We have nine millimetre and .45 calibre shell casings on the floor,” Insp. Chapman said.

Which are hand gun callibers!

You realize that submachine guns (one type of automatic weapon) are designed to use the exact same ammunition as pistols?

This is an MP5 submachine gun

it uses 9mm rounds, exactly the same rounds used in many hand guns.

This is a MAC-10 submachine

it uses .45 ACP rounds, exactly the same rounds used in large caliber hand guns.

Both are weapons commonly used by large criminal organizations.

 

[Fudd]

Wholly fuck!!!!!

I guess were lucky there weren't more dead.

How the hell can gun companies sell stuff like that!!!! Some one should be held responsible for.

 

[threepeat]

But then why bother with the machete? Machetes don't kill people, people kill people.

 

[georgebushmoron]

You forgot the last part of the story : "He grabs the machete and silently sneaks up to the target and slices his face up and cuts his throat. He smiles after and says 'You see? That's how people kill people man.' "

Sneaking up behind someone and slicing their throat and ensuring they die takes a bit of skill to get right. On the other hand, any monkey can point a gun and pull the trigger, and probably kill the victim. That's why guns are so dangerous.

To prevent this problem from spinning out of control, like it has in the United States, the Canadian government has to attack this problem on many fronts:

1) the biggest problem for Canada is the United States. The US does not ban hand guns (depending on jurisdiction, it varies). That guns are widely available means the criminal element in the US can steal them without having to import them. It's much easier to break into someone's house or the local hand gun shop than it is to import them outside the US mainland. That there exist so many guns in the US means that from the Canadian point of view, there is a huge cache of guns waiting to be smuggled in from the US. Canadians MUST tighten border security such that every person (Canadian or American or whoever) who enters by way of the US-Canada border is searched. The war on terror is a joke compared to the threat guns would have on Canadian society - just look at what's happened to the US. Border security should be aimed at preventing the smuggling of weapons into Canada.

2) Needed are very very tough laws on the usage of guns for a criminal purpose. Canada does not have minimum sentences, but it should begin imposing them. I hope that the government imposes an automatic life sentence for anyone in the commission of a crime utilizing a gun, because a gun is equivalent to the intent to murder in the first degree.

3) The gun registry's purpose is to allow regular citizens to have guns, but record their whereabouts. This has turned out to be an enormous task and very costly. Let's wipe out the registry altogether, in concert with banning all guns (instead of restricting them) from the civilian population (only LE, armed forces, etc., should have guns). In my opinion, public safety and the right to life of the individual trumps any right for others to have a gun as a hobby, for hunting pleasure, etc. When guns are removed from existence in the general population, less guns are available to be stolen. In the US, where guns are widely available, they can be stolen instead of having to be imported off the US mainland. Stealing a gun is much easier than importing, and all Canadians have to do is look at the example of the US to see a problem that's spiraled completely out of control, where tens of thousands die from gun violence every year.

US gun deaths in 1994:
14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166). So at a population of 300 million, there are approximately 42,000 deaths from guns (300,000,000 / 100,000 X 14.24).

There are those who argue that law abiding citizens owning guns prevent more gun deaths by criminals. While this theory has some merit (ie: shooting a bad guy before he kills more civilians), it is also deeply flawed because it ignores: a) proliferation by making guns widely available to be stolen, b) escalation - the requirement to use guns for a criminal purpose because the population has them to defend itself, c) conversion - all criminals never starts life as one - he starts life as a law abiding citizen - later he might acquire a gun as a law abiding citizen, and later yet becomes a criminal. Allowing guns for private defense is a foolish public policy, and was never the intent of the Second Ammendment of the US Constitution.

 

[donjoh]

What's the most common, lethal licensed weapon?

A car.

Therefore, "Let's ban private ownership of cars. The only licensees should be: cops, transit drivers & truckers. But of course only while working."

And how many people drive with suspended or no licenses, no insurance?
And, if a stolen vehicle is involved in a crash/injury/death, let's go after the owner, not the perp?

"Guns, cars, knives, etc. don't kill people. People kill people".

 

[stryker]

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people".

Very true,it takes a person holding one to carry through with the action of pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger

Now,where the hell is my 9mm and remote control

 

[metoo113]

I think a ban against all civilian ownership of guns is not practical. There are many people in Canada who need to own a gun (I'm talking rifle or shotgun here not a handgun). Farmers need them to protect their livestock against stray dogs, coyotte's and other animals that could harm or kill their cows, sheep, etc.

I know quite a few people who shoot all their meat that they consume as they don't like all the chemicals that go into meat purchased at the store. As long as they have the proper licenses, etc they should be allowed to do this.

Also good luck getting all the guns from the First Nations.

 

[georgebushmoron]

I think a ban against all civilian ownership of guns is not practical. There are many people in Canada who need to own a gun (I'm talking rifle or shotgun here not a handgun). Farmers need them to protect their livestock against stray dogs, coyotte's and other animals that could harm or kill their cows, sheep, etc.

This is true. I forgot about farmers, as I am out of touch with them. I guess I will reduce my ideas to a total ban on hand guns and automatic weapons only - or in other words, guns that are built for the sole purpose of killing people.

I know off quite a few people who shoot all the meat that they eat as they don't like all the chemicals that go into meat purchased at the store. As long as they have the proper licenses, etc they should be allowed to do this.

I happen to disagree with this. Not that I disagree with the purpose, that is, to eat meat that was not processed with chemicals. However, I suspect that many hunters waste a lot of the meat they kill, as hunting is primarily a sport, not a means of sustinence. I have a problem with hunting a complex living being for the pleasure of the kill.

 

[metoo113]

This is true. I forgot about farmers, as I am out of touch with them. I guess I will reduce my ideas to a total ban on hand guns and automatic weapons only - or in other words, guns that are built for the sole purpose of killing people.

Didn't think automatic weapons are allowed in civillian hands anyway. You don't need a AK47 to kill a stray dog killing your sheep.



[/QUOTE]I happen to disagree with this. Not that I disagree with the purpose, that is, to eat meat that was not processed with chemicals. However, I suspect that many hunters waste a lot of the meat they kill, as hunting is primarily a sport, not a means of sustinence. I have a problem with hunting a complex living being for the pleasure of the kill.[/QUOTE]

The hunters that I know take the deer, moose, bear, etc to a professional butcher who specializes in the processing of wild game. The only parts that are wasted are parts of the animal that are unsafe for eating.

Hunters that hunt to live off the meat don't waste it and are not in it for the "thrill of the kill".

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

You realize that submachine guns (one type of automatic weapon) are designed to use the exact same ammunition as pistols?

This is an MP5 submachine gun

it uses 9mm rounds, exactly the same rounds used in many hand guns.

This is a MAC-10 submachine

it uses .45 ACP rounds, exactly the same rounds used in large caliber hand guns.

Both are weapons commonly used by large criminal organizations.

The MAC-10 also comes in the 9mm version.
The cyclic rate of the MAC-10 and MAC-11 is astounding.

Over 1100 rounds per minute
It can empty an 18 round magazine in about one second.


...........QM'r

 

[Up_My_Kilt]

If we had a handgun ban shit like this would not happen:

Two dead, six injured in ‘heinous’ Vancouver shooting
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=b0c7730f-6d9a-4c2e-9663-83bc13766700&k=10169

During the last election, the Liberal government promised to ban handguns to put a stop to violence like this. But unfortunately, they lost and those gun loving Conservatives got in. Well I bet some people are regreting there decision for voting Harper in when things like this happen.

Harper claims "it's not a simple problem.."

Well how about banning hand guns to end all this type of violence!!!!!

Idiot .. I am sure all ofthe law abiding criminals will turn in their guns just as soon as the hand gun ban is made law.

If you ban hand guns then I want a law that ban all cars that can drive faster than the speed limit .. why do you need a car that can go faster than the law permits anyway?

btw more people are killed by cars every day than people are killed by guns every year

 

[georgebushmoron]

btw more people are killed by cars every day than people are killed by guns every year

Seems like you really like guns. You should live in the USA, where you can have all the guns you want and so can everybody else. You'll enjoy your guns and you might even enjoy defending yourself against someone else with one! And to improve on your safe lifestyle, you should stop driving and don't cross the street too (but keep your gun, cuz like you say, its safer than a car).

 

[Up_My_Kilt]

]You'll enjoy your guns and you might even enjoy defending yourself against someone else with one! ).

I might, bring it on!! Oh bring a bag for the other guy

but comone guys lets use some common sence .. or is that asking too much?

are the guys that shot up the resturant legal guns owners? probably not

are the guns they used registered to the guys that used them? likely not

were the gun stolen? most likely

were they smuggled in from the US? most likely

 

[hasso]

England banned handguns then experienced a rise in gun related crime. I expect the same would happen here.

 

[mick_eight]

To weigh in here a bit. I have had my fill of guns. Having your ears ring for hours after a day of firing a 1000 rounds of 7.62 is not a fun evening. In canada the need for one is for hunting and police. Unless you're a banger with usa guns, what good is a handgun ban. Its not the legal causing the problem.Just more waste of money. The registy is so cops know who has the guns in a house call so they can shoot first. Wake up its for there protection ot ours. And GBM, don't be silly, unless a person has years of training, a gun fight with a pro , you will end up dead, and won't even see them

 

[georgebushmoron]

And GBM, don't be silly, unless a person has years of training, a gun fight with a pro , you will end up dead, and won't even see them

well yeah, i was kidding when i was suggesting the guy go defend himself with guns (because he kept saying how great they were and safer than driving).