An Inconvenient Truth

[Old Lover]

Global warming

This Al Gore thing is pretty common. He tells us not to use energy and then he uses 10 times more than anybody. My neighbor is a school teacher so she is pretty strange. She tells me she is a environmentalist but she has built the biggest house around and drives a big sport utility gas hog. The guy that delivers propane told me she uses 4 times the propane I do. These people are what you call environmentalists of convieniece.
The thing is Al Gore maybe totally right or maybe just a little right. Florida may go bye bye or maybe not. The ice is receding, hard to say how far. The white house will do absolutely nothing about it. The white house is owned by big oil. I do not expect conservatives to agree. They do not believe in evolution or dinosaurs.
One thing I think we are in a race to see what happens first, do we flood or run out of oil first. I am more afraid of running out of oil and natural gas. I think that is why we should be conserving. People are driving sport utility gas hogs in los angeles in case it snows. You should see all of the suvs in the Philipines. I own a monster truck for towing my boat but I drive a corolla around town. Its hard to find a parking spot for that bus. Since all of our agricultral fields are fertilized with fertilizer made from natural gas, when we run out of natural gas we will think the Ethiopians were overfed. Our whole lifestyle and economy is centered around oil and no one is going to do anything period.

 

[citylover]

Man, y'all will believe anything, won't ya?

A bunch of dweebs continue the Anti-Gore stuff that's been going on for at least 8 years for partisan ideologue purposes. They're skeered shitless that the last Democrat to win a majority of the vote will run again (showing their political ignorance as well).

His higher bills come from going green w/ energy & changes, that is more costly. These "nonpartisan" sources in Tennessee are not even considered legitimate by the Tennessee gov't, just hack jobs.

They stand shoulder to shoulder with the company line being passed out by the Big Business to flout accepted science; Exxon spends 16 million or so on a PR campaign to say global warming don't exist -- what rot!

 

[luckydog71]

His higher bills come from going green w/ energy & changes, that is more costly. These "nonpartisan" sources in Tennessee are not even considered legitimate by the Tennessee gov't, just hack jobs.

Sorry CL, that is the enviro-wacko talking points you are repeating.

The measure being used is not the cost of energy being used.

The Gore mansion uses more units of energy in 1 month than the average house uses in 1 year. Gore can pay as much money as he wants to buy green credits from a third world country, the bottom line is Gore utilizes more energy to maintain his life style than the average person uses.

Mr. Gore and his Hollywood friends need to show us by example how to save the planet.

I have no fear of Gore running for President. As I said in another post if he entered the Democratic primary, the Wicked Witch of New York State would chew him up and spit him out.

 

[Bartdude]

I wonder how Gore's house compares to other 10,000 square foot homes?

Are you saying he should live in a tiny house?

How Communist of you.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Man, y'all will believe anything, won't ya?

A bunch of dweebs continue the Anti-Gore stuff that's been going on for at least 8 years for partisan ideologue purposes. They're skeered shitless that the last Democrat to win a majority of the vote will run again (showing their political ignorance as well).

His higher bills come from going green w/ energy & changes, that is more costly. These "nonpartisan" sources in Tennessee are not even considered legitimate by the Tennessee gov't, just hack jobs.

They stand shoulder to shoulder with the company line being passed out by the Big Business to flout accepted science; Exxon spends 16 million or so on a PR campaign to say global warming don't exist -- what rot!

CL - I believe you're the one with a gullibility problem. Gore should be leading by example.

I don't think anyone (even exxon) is saying global warming doesn't exist. Its the cause of it that's under debate here. The cause of some of it may be attributable in small part to human activity, however golbal warming has occurred on and off on this, and other planets long before humans even existed.

Try to get that into your thick skull!!

 

[Bartdude]

There is no question in my mind that climate change is a natural part of the Earth's cycle - taken over the millions of years it's been around, I think we're entering a slight "bump" period. But I also think we'd be fools to think that humans and human technology weren't exaggerating or exca****ating the effects of what already may be naturally occurring.

Gore uses green energy to power his home, he's pursuing solar technology, and invests huge dollars in environmental initiatives specifically geared towards reducing carbon emissions and tackling climate change. Yes he lives in a big house, yes he uses airplanes, and automobiles. All those who are so quick to completely dismiss him because he doesn't live in a log cabin and travel across the world on bicycle, kindly enlighten us as to how you would engage in his life without modern transportation.

Gore does not prosletyze to the masses about reverting back to the 1700's, or about abandoning necessities of society like motorized travel and carbon-based fuel. What he's campaigning for is for people to reduce their net carbon footprint, and to make our use of carbon fuels as efficient as possible until alternatives can be realistically pursued on a large scale. He also calls for industry to begin taking more responsibility for the issue of climate change. He doesn't pick and choose his targets - the oil industry, the coal industry, the US, China, Europe, all are contributing. It galls me that so many find this concept offensive, and yet are so quick to slam Gore, basically because he lives in a big house - even if that big house is, compared to other homes of that size, having much less impact on the environment.

If you disagree with the idea of "offsetting", that's your choice - but you're missing the point. Most reasonable climate change advocates aren't demanding that people immediately and completely stop living in the 21st century. They're calling for people to minimize our impact, and to use some of whatever wealth we have to pursue better energy technology.

Those so quick to whine "I guess if you're rich you can be an energy pig" obviously don't see the irony in your protestations. These are the same people who preach unrestrained capitalism, where if you're rich, the world is your oyster, and if you're poor it's your own fucking fault. But because Al Gore is wealthy and lives in a big house - no matter how environmentally friendly that house may be - that his entire campaign, his entire opinion, are all somehow garbage. Now THAT'S hypocritical.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Here is the future star of "An Inconvenient Truth Part Deux"; one suspects that Gore's people are currently in discussions with his people.

A former Canadian defense minister is demanding governments worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change, a local paper said Wednesday.

"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... that could be a way to save our planet," Paul Hellyer, 83, told the Ottawa Citizen.

Alien spacecrafts would have traveled vast distances to reach Earth, and so must be equipped with advanced propulsion systems or used exceptional fuels, he told the newspaper.

Such alien technologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossil fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico -- which has become a shrine for UFO believers -- as an example of alien contact.

"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to save our planet if applied quickly enough," he said.

Hellyer became defense minister in former prime minister Lester Pearson's cabinet in 1963, and oversaw the controversial integration and unification of Canada's army, air force and navy into the Canadian Forces.

He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by announcing he once saw a UFO.

link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070228/wl_canada_afp/canadaenvironmentkyoto_070228180440

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Man, y'all will believe anything, won't ya?

A bunch of dweebs continue the Anti-Gore stuff that's been going on for at least 8 years for partisan ideologue purposes. They're skeered shitless that the last Democrat to win a majority of the vote will run again (showing their political ignorance as well).

His higher bills come from going green w/ energy & changes, that is more costly. These "nonpartisan" sources in Tennessee are not even considered legitimate by the Tennessee gov't, just hack jobs.

They stand shoulder to shoulder with the company line being passed out by the Big Business to flout accepted science; Exxon spends 16 million or so on a PR campaign to say global warming don't exist -- what rot!

I am perfectly au fait with anyone investing their own personal money in such instruments - on a voluntary basis. If you wish to do so, knock yourself out.

One must observe that the people who advocate such programs are some of the biggest consumers of energy - so this does appear to be another form of Indulgence Buying. Trading Carbon Credits does nothing to increase the supply of clean energy.

 

[luckydog71]

I wonder how Gore's house compares to other 10,000 square foot homes?

Are you saying he should live in a tiny house?...

No I am not.

Gore is free to live in any size home he wants. He is also free to use as much energy as he can afford. He can drive a full size SUV and fly in his Lear jet.

He can even go around telling me I am destroying the earth with my bad habits.

However I have the same rights and privledges as Chicken Little.

I have have the right to say Gore is one of the biggest A** Holes in the Democratic Party and that is saying a lot.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Gore is one of the biggest A** Holes in the Democratic Party.

I agree 100%. LD

 

[Randy Whorewald]

You wanna know what I think? Global warming may be happening, but there is absolutely nothing that we can do to prevent it.

It is a natural Earth cycle that cannot be stopped. it has happened before and it is happening right now.

Real quick I want to bash on Al Gore and his new "documentary" that he made. It's kind of sad when someone who lies to us and scares us to death gets an oscar award. I don't know how people like that can live in fear all their life.

Anyway Mr. Gore stated in his documentary that the oceans will rise 20 feet due to global warming. This is interesting. According to the U.N., who has much more credibility, information, and proof, said that the ultimate maximum the oceans could rise if global warming was occuring was 17 inches.

Now how does a lying politician like Al Gore get the credit that he does?

 

[citylover]

Try to get that into your thick skull!!

I will be convinced when I can have several more posts in a row from you spouting out the same inane drivel you like to hear repeated by the other dweebs on this subject. That will convince me.

Preferably citing some mystical cyrillic document to counter accepted science, hopefully.

So far on this page alone there's 4 nonsensical posts on the issue by RH. Can we go for 5, 6? What's the record, has he done an entire page of 8, 10 posts on the same subject? Is Exxon getting its money worth or what?

 

[Randy Whorewald]

I will be convinced when I can have several more posts in a row from you spouting out the same inane drivel you like to hear repeated by the other dweebs on this subject. That will convince me.

Preferably citing some mystical cyrillic document to counter accepted science, hopefully.

So far on this page alone there's 4 nonsensical posts on the issue by RH. Can we go for 5, 6? What's the record, has he done an entire page of 8, 10 posts on the same subject? Is Exxon getting its money worth or what?

I went over all of today's posts again in detail and the only sign of verbal diarrhea seems to come from some guy named Citylover??

 

[Randy Whorewald]

This coming winter will be the coldest in recorded history. Last winter previous records for frigid weather and massive snow storms fell like ... well ... a heavy snowfall. If I'm right, we ain't seen nothing yet.

This winter we will see temperatures drop to levels unheard of, violent snowfall will be routinely measured in feet instead of inches, blizzards will resemble hurricanes in violence. And just for the fun of it, more and more earthquakes will join in the worldwide havoc.

Yeah, I know, the world is in the grip of global warming, the Arctic summer sea ice melted at a greater rate than usual, glaciers are retreating and our air conditioning costs are going through the roof. What could make me believe that this warming planet could continue to produce weather increasingly frigid and increasingly violent?

It's really simple. To begin with, the world's glaciers are not retreating. As Robert W. Felix, author of "Not by Fire But By Ice - the Next Ice Age Now has demonstrated on his iceagenow.com web site, fully 75 percent of the planet's glaciers are growing. Moreover, many scientists believe that the summertime melt, far from being an ominous development signaling global warming that is melting the ice cap itself, is actually a cyclical development - a phenomenon that comes and goes over long periods of time. It is also a symptom of the oceans being heated, but more about that later.

One does not have to be a climatologist to recognize a few simple facts.

Cold fronts begin at the poles and head for the temperate zones. If the poles are warming, the fronts will be less frigid. If your refrigerator is losing its cooling power, it will begin to lose its power to do what it is meant to do: refrigerate. And if the Arctic ice pack is melting or even thinning, as it melts or thins, the cold fronts it sends south will be less and less frigid.

http://www.etherzone.com/2005/bren101205.shtml

 

[sdw]

Wind Power - Katabatic Power Company

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=86af8c37-0450-4f3f-b1f6-81da60155c69&k=10041

Katabatic Power Company has 2 Wind Power projects going.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=86af8c37-0450-4f3f-b1f6-81da60155c69&k=10041

Katabatic Power Company has 2 Wind Power projects going.

The wind is an excellent source of power. We've used the wind as an energy source for a long time. The Babylonians and Chinese were using wind power to pump water for irrigating crops 4,000 years ago, and sailing boats were around long before that.

Wind power was used in the Middle Ages, in Europe, to grind corn, which is where the term "windmill" comes from.

 

[citylover]

The wind is an excellent source of power.

I suddenly feel another gust of wind from a big blowhard

 

[Randy Whorewald]

I suddenly feel another gust of wind from a big blowhard

CL- Its too bad you never have anything constructive to say.

 

[wilde]

Hey Randy

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance - the five stages of accepting global warming. Me thinks you are in stage 3 (as evidenced by your new global cooling theory). Let us know when you are depressed.

.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Let us know when you are depressed.

Will do wilde !

It has now been disclosed that St. AlGore, the Goreacle of Global Warming, does not actually pay for the Carbon Indulgences used to justify his obscene consumption of FOSSIL FUELS.

...The Tennessean newspaper then reported that Gore's company invests in projects to reduce energy consumption around the world, sparking accusations in other media outlets that Gore is making money off global warming by essentially paying himself for the "offsets."

(Climate campaigners have established a procedure which allows an individual, business or institution responsible for high levels of CO2 emissions to buy "offsets." They pay a levy that will go towards renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power or for planting trees - so-called "carbon sinks" that remove carbon from the atmosphere.

Thus, according to advocates, high energy users can be considered "carbon neutral," because they are making up for the amount of CO2 they produce by funding eco-friendly projects elsewhere.)

"That's a serious accusation of illegal activity," Campbell said Tuesday of the profiteering allegations.

"We do not invest in any activity of carbon offset. That's nonsense. We are a fund management business that does sustainability research," he added.

The confusion, Campbell said, arose because GIM pays to offset the energy use of its operations and the personal emissions of its 23 employees, including Gore.

So, the firm will cover the cost to offset the energy use at Gore's home, or his global jet travel, as it would the offset cost of any other employee, Campbell said.

GIM, which Gore started with former Goldman Sachs executive David Blood in 2004, uses the Chicago Climate Exchange and the British-based Carbon Neutral Company to cover the high energy use of GIM and its employees.

Just how lucrative the company is for Gore is unclear.

"Mr. Gore, as a private citizen, does not release his private income," Gore spokesman Kalee Kreider told Cybercast News Service in an e-mail response to questions about how much Gore makes from the company. Media inquiries to Gore's office must be put in writing. ...

Critics question the validity of offsetting emissions, in part because the system doesn't require those wealthy enough to afford offsets to conserve anything.

"I question if offsets are real or a way to get a certificate you can frame that says 'I'm a virtuous person,'" Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), told Cybercast News Service.

"This really is a class thing. Other than the rich, no one else can buy offsets."

Ebell said this means people like Gore "can continue to live exactly the way they want and shame others into living differently."...


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200703/NAT20070307a.html

Gore's firm is smelling a lot like a tax avoidance scheme in which a business picks up his private expenses.