2024 trends & changes? (Vancouver Edition)

[vanperb]

There was a thread started in the Victoria section that I felt deserved a Vancouver Edition.
From what I can see there were a few things that I've noticed.

1. Agencies becoming more popular. In the past agencies were looked down upon, and people automatically questioned your integrity if you saw someone at an agency instead of spending time with an indy provider. Could be a number of reasons for this change.
2. Pseudo agencies. Or I guess incall rentals with a more cohesive approach. Where renting incall spaces means providers have to go through screening, and the incall adds a stamp of approval to the provider. Other services are provided as well such as advertising. Think PDC.
3. OF Girls using escort-centric spaces to advertise. Seen a lot of tempting ads on Leo and Tryst that turn out to be verified posts for OF girls. Anyone that thinks subscribing to their OF gets them an in person meeting, needs to squash that dream now. (You won't).
4. Decreased number of visiting providers from Toronto and Montreal. I think word might have gotten around that Vancouver has been burnt out. Or maybe there's not the same amount of dumb money people have to throw around any more.
5. More East Indian providers. Didn't think this would happen, given how close knit that community can be, and a general reputation for poor service. Used to be alot of Fujian providers for that reason.
6. Using Telegram to communicate directly to customer base. Instead of advertising on Leo, and bumping their ads hourly/daily/whenever, I've seen a couple of agencies and providers give their clients a Telegram link to subscribe to. The providers then post on the professional channel the days, locations and times they're be available. They're basically side stepping Leo and Tryst altogether, and targeting clients who actually have some interest in seeing them.

(edit) Adding 6

Anything else you noticed through out last year?

 

[Asian Fever]

#1 is absolutely true. We stopped posting on Leo all together as it's not really used that much anymore anyway. The decline of that site is astronomical from a numbers perspective.

The reality is there are so many scams these days on Leo etc, a lot of clients find an agency a safe alternative. Scams can range from deposit scams, bait and switch, robbery, blackmail, and murder... So no wonder.

But along with that a lot of girls are also using agencies as well and being pretty comfortable with it these days. Not all agencies are that bad and there can be a lot of benefits and additional safety at the right place (it's a two way street, clients can be sketchy as well).

Overall I think this is a good thing because being safe is the number one goal for everyone, but of course props to the established indis out there and best wishes to everyone.

As for #4, I think that ties in with #1. We get girls from both areas and have noticed a good increase in interest actually hiring many ladies from there, but they are coming to us (or other agencies) instead of renting a hotel and posting etc. Leo just isn't giving up the client volume anymore, making doing it solo less rewarding.

 

[mreffect]

Leo has become an absolute joke. I am looking forward to when that site collapses and hopefully something better replaces it. I only assume that the insanely obvious OF posts or other scams work 10% of the time otherwise why would they continue to waste money on ads. It saddens me that there are people out there stupid enough to fall for them.

I am pretty much agency only now with a few older indies. I don't bother with Tryst at all as I roll my eyes at the prices that distinctly average looking SPs demand just by having a profile on that website. It's not uncommon to see the same SP list their rates at 30% more at Tryst, seemingly because they pull out a thesaurus and write out verbose waffle under the guise of being a 'courtesan'.

I still see Toronto and Montreal providers touring. I think you're right though, people are wisening up or belts are tightening. I actually was messaging with a touring SP to enquire about her rates. They were literally double what she was charging in Montreal. I think a small Vancouver 'cost of living' increase is justified but it would literally be cheaper for me to pay for a flight to Montreal and fuck you there....

Trends I've noticed:

1) A higher volume of 19 year old SPs entering the industry. I assume that's because of the insanely grim job market for young people at the moment as well as cost of living.

2) More providers offering filming. A couple of agencies seem to have a good selection of filming providers. This seems to have increased a fair bit over the last few years.

 

[vanperb]

Trends I've noticed:

1) A higher volume of 19 year old SPs entering the industry. I assume that's because of the insanely grim job market for young people at the moment as well as cost of living.

That's actually really worrying. I've talked about how people shouldn't be getting into being a client till their 30s. And though I can't speak for providers, starting at ages in their early twenties, or younger can be problematic, especially since almost all support systems tend to be predatory ones as well.

 

[vanperb]

To providers. Learn how to create a Telegram channel, put it on your Leo, Tryst, and social ads, and do your bumps there.

You don't have to pay to do bumps. You advertise when you're available (which is what Leo really does). Your audience is actually interested in your services, since they have to actively subscribe. And you won't get banned or shadow banned for posting about things like you would on X or whatever.

Keep a low key ad on Leo, and Tryst just so people can initially find you.

 

[MixedDude]

#3 needs to be addressed. Granted Leo is falling into the toilet but I think they could probably do better by adding better filters for the online only/OF niche.

 

[mreffect]

#3 needs to be addressed. Granted Leo is falling into the toilet but I think they could probably do better by adding better filters for the online only/OF niche.

At the end of the day they're still getting paid so I don't think they care. I can tell before clicking into the profile now if it's going to be an OF link.

 

[vanperb]

#3 needs to be addressed. Granted Leo is falling into the toilet but I think they could probably do better by adding better filters for the online only/OF niche.

Since COVID, there's already a filter for "Online Only". The tools are there, but there's no enforcement. Moderation is not their strong suit. It happens with BDSM providers leaking into the escort section as well. It's less talked about and just as misleading.

 

[vitaminD]

Should this not be in the lounge section? I think it would have alot more traction there

 

[pupupu222]

good thread

 

[nwdude007]

Id also like to know.

Me too

 

[poopquiz]

1. Using Telegram to communicate directly to customer base. Instead of advertising on Leo, and bumping their ads hourly/daily/whenever, I've seen a couple of agencies and providers give their clients a Telegram link to subscribe to. The providers then post on the professional channel the days, locations and times they're be available. They're basically side stepping Leo and Tryst altogether, and targeting clients who actually have some interest in seeing them.

Do you have a handy list of who had telegram channels? I only know of TempGF.

 

[stressless123]

Do you have a handy list of who had telegram channels? I only know of TempGF.

Coco and PDC

 

[greythings20]

Leo has become an absolute joke. I am looking forward to when that site collapses and hopefully something better replaces it.

Bit of a tangent: I'm in the planning and design stage for a site to replace LL. (Maybe just for the GVRD market; maybe globally. Not sure yet.)

The most important "feature" in the design: the site won't be monetized in any way — so there will be no profit motive to enshittify anything; censor anything; unduly promote anyone; conveniently ignore duplicate users with duplicate ads; neuter search on traits SPs don't like to be compared on; etc. The site's mission statement will be to serve the needs of the pooning community. (Which is to say: I want to build it so I can use it.)

If anyone — pooner, SP, or agency — has requests or suggestions for how an LL-like site could better serve your needs, please DM them to me.

Or, if anyone has complaints about how LL works right now... continue to post them in this thread

 

[vanperb]

The most important "feature" in the design: the site won't be monetized in any way

So um... How do you pay the bills?

 

[greythings20]

So um... How do you pay the bills?

Independently wealthy and willing to throw money at this; plus some trade knowledge attained from being in the business of cost-optimized at-scale asset hosting.

(I'd also happily accept anonymous, non-contingent donations from happy users of the site, through legally-unaffiliated side-channels like a "merch store." Much like that one big hentai image board does. Though this should never be necessary to keep things going.)

 

[vanperb]

Do you have a handy list of who had telegram channels? I only know of TempGF.

Search for "t.me" on Leo.
Make sure its from a vetted and reviewed agency or provider

 

[Gtan747]

More East Indian providers. Didn't think this would happen, given how close knit that community can be, and a general reputation for poor service. Used to be alot of Fujian providers for that reason.

A lot of the east Indian ads especially from Surrey are either same or have similar ad postings. Surrey has become a spot for scammers to post ads to scam people wanting to see Indian SP's. There are good reputable Sp's that work out of Surrey that are Indian but majority of those ads are scams. That's my opinion

 

[Fooker]

More East Indian providers. Didn't think this would happen, given how close knit that community can be, and a general reputation for poor service. Used to be alot of Fujian providers for that reason.

It’s a big change from what was available prior to 2-3 years ago. But if you’ve been following where most of these student visas have been coming from it’s mostly Indians. Students = younger girls too

Wonder how this will change with the new immigration limits announced by the Libs, how many will go home

 

[LbJames]

Independently wealthy and willing to throw money at this; plus some trade knowledge attained from being in the business of cost-optimized at-scale asset hosting.

(I'd also happily accept anonymous, non-contingent donations from happy users of the site, through legally-unaffiliated side-channels like a "merch store." Much like that one big hentai image board does. Though this should never be necessary to keep things going.)

A merch store is a hilarious idea. Not sure if i want to be a walking billboard.

I will add that i beleive part of the draw for girls to post is that its a big company. It is not some mystetious vancouver local that now has their real information.