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Ten games into the season, Elias Petterson with four points. Tonight's game vs. the San Jose Sharks zero points with one shot on goal.
They even said he was just playing it safe in the commentary, not what you would expect from your superstar, sure hope he gets his shit together!
 

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He's fifth in the league in salary, with an average annual value and a cap hit of $11.6 million per season, and is tied for 290th in league scoring with 4 points.
Canucks aren't getting very good value for their money.
Lets hope Joshua coming back has some sort of positive impact on petey. Even if its not directly, Joshuas addition into the lineup should cause some juggling. At least getting Bains into the bottom 6. I like Bains and his potential, don't get me wrong, but he's not an NHL player on a cup contender, let alone top 6.
 

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I'm not trying to be a Petey apologist, but he is having impact, just not on the scoresheet.

Obviously with your superstars you expect goals/points etc, but Toccs been scrambling his line mates. Hard to get chemistry going when every other game is with different guys on your wing.

When Joshua gets back into the lineup, I'm expecting some more out of him.
 

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Ten games into the season, Elias Petterson with four points. Tonight's game vs. the San Jose Sharks zero points with one shot on goal.

This is what I was talking about during the playoffs last season.
This guy is the 1st line centre, right? Alleged top point-scoring threat, right? The team traded Horvat to be able to keep him, right? RIGHT ?! :mad:
 
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Petterson gets goal #2 vs the Ducks......maybe the start of something good?
 

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Petterson gets goal #2 vs the Ducks......maybe the start of something good?
While I generally agree, I’m thinking the problem is a bit more than getting another goal to his tally.

The way I’ve seen it is:

* unknown injury last winter / spring was blamed for zero productivity that’s carried on since that time. Nothing was acknowledged by the team about any injury which is not unusual by any Pro team standard. This has carried on while acknowledging there wasn’t anything serious injury to report.

* other players including JT Miller have confronted him while on the ice during a game. This indicates JT noticed something that alarmed him enough to confront Petterson during a game ie kick him in the ass for lack of effort.

Petterson is a very young player that is lacking in self confidence that is holding him back from success to the point the team may be looking at an exit plan should he not evolve out of this horrendous funk he is in.

While I want him to step up and justify his huge contract I’m not confident he can sort this funk out. He is in need of serious help now and needs an experienced Swedish mentor moving forward. (Markus Naslund perhaps?)

I hate to say it is one day in the near future the Canucks may divest themselves of the investment in Petterson this year by trade deadline.

If you think I’m wrong look at the similar vintage rookies Bedard and Celebrini. They are playing well and in Bedard’s circumstance a dominating player. Dollar for dollar Petey needs to be in that group consistently. Otherwise, it’s time to cut bait.

#alexandredaigle
 

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What puzzles me is he's had success in the past.
Daigle never did much as I recall?
Looking at Petterson's earlier production makes one wonder wtf?
 
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Petterson is a very young player that is lacking in self confidence that is holding him back from success to the point the team may be looking at an exit plan should he not evolve out of this horrendous funk he is in.

While I want him to step up and justify his huge contract I’m not confident he can sort this funk out.

It happens sometimes in the NHL, that guys get contracts that are too huge & long term from over-enthusiastic owners/managers, and instead of boosting their confidence & performance, it seems to destroy it.
Some pressure / motivation is necessary to perform, but having to constantly stack your real self up against the hype, especially in the internet age, has led some guys to ruin.
You mentioned Daigle, but that's more like "1st overall pick" pressure, similar but not the same.
But I would look at case where the player gets some contract for like 10 years and 8 mill a season or something - and then they flop and the team is stuck with a player they can't even trade.

This is also why I hate that the NHL allows such long term contracts. There should be no contracts longer than 5 years.
 
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This is also why I hate that the NHL allows such long term contracts. There should be no contracts longer than 5 years.
The NHL needs to look at NFL contracts (except those signed by the Browns).

1. Have the ability to have guaranteed money and bonus money.
2. Have the ability to restructure contracts.
3. Have the ability to buyout contracts with less of a cap penalty.

Example 3: how is OEL hurting right now with having the Canucks buy out his contract? He won a SC, got paid by two teams and is now playing in the centre of the universe at a decent contract plus what this team keeps paying him.

Instead of penalizing the cap, the financial hit should go to ownership. They're getting hit anyways by having to pay the buyout and cap every season, but the finances shouldn't be hamstringing a team just because some GM had shit for brains.
 

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If you think I’m wrong look at the similar vintage rookies Bedard and Celebrini. They are playing well and in Bedard’s circumstance a dominating player. Dollar for dollar Petey needs to be in that group consistently. Otherwise, it’s time to cut bait.

#alexandredaigle
Except Petey did play like an elite player during his ELC years -- maybe even better than Bedard and Celebrini in similar ELC years.

But there IS something wrong with Petey regardless, and if the Loui E years were a huge drag on the team, that will be nothing compared to what Petey's drag could end up being.

The only hopeful comparison with Daigle is that he quit at 25 years old.
 
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The NHL needs to look at NFL contracts (except those signed by the Browns).

1. Have the ability to have guaranteed money and bonus money.
2. Have the ability to restructure contracts.
3. Have the ability to buyout contracts with less of a cap penalty.

Example 3: how is OEL hurting right now with having the Canucks buy out his contract? He won a SC, got paid by two teams and is now playing in the centre of the universe at a decent contract plus what this team keeps paying him.

Instead of penalizing the cap, the financial hit should go to ownership. They're getting hit anyways by having to pay the buyout and cap every season, but the finances shouldn't be hamstringing a team just because some GM had shit for brains.

Well, some of this was also the result of labour disputes with the NHLPA.
The NHLPA & the player agents often talk themselves into taking positions that sound good on the surface, but in the end actually hurt the careers of the players they supposedly represent. The agents especially are only looking at closing high-dollar deals because that is where their money comes from; if the resulting deal paints a player's career into a corner, that is largely irrelevant because all a player can do at that point is fire them and get a different one. (And anyways, the agents are all now part of huge corporate agency firms, so they have the power in their relationship with any individual player, at least any that is not a top 5 star of their whole league.)


Except Petey did play like an elite player during his ELC years -- maybe even better than Bedard and Celebrini in similar ELC years.
I do not think EP is a bad player, but he has yet to prove he is that "franchise player" at least "franchise forward", top-dollar & top priority.

Miller, poor guy, gets hit by the whole online "we should trade Miller" nonsense, every fucking season. But he has been carrying this team, so why on earth would the Canucks trade him?
Only those who view players as investment value which they can develop then flip would do that - a big difference from wanting to build a winning playoff team.

Honestly, any motivations for a sports team other than winning championships is stuff that needs to be kicked to the curb as a distraction.
 
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Great game tonight too bad nucks can't play the ducks twenty times a year
 
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