Alot of this is also demographics, though the States doesnt have the fall off the cliff baby bust.
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USA Political Thread 2024
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Yes I agree that the liberals in Canada at the federal level and the Democrats in the US get a bad rep in terms of deficits and debt because people look at the numbers based in government terms but not when the causes came to be.
But I tend not to throw Mulroney under the bus as I knew someone involved with the government of the time and the thinking and the anecdotes the gentleman had about that time... 3 to 4 years after the facts . He could pinpoint some of the worst decisions Trudeau's cabinet had made in the 70s and early 80s and their overspending for reelection, recession and referendum purposes. To me Trudeau 1.0 in the early 80s represents what a government that had a lack of focus after being in power for too long , the entitlement and the arrogance of the guy at the top .
Oops I just realized that I am carrying on a discussion about a Canadian matter in the US political thread ...mean culpa
"Liberals tend to run up debt investing in the middle class and infrastructure".
Is the ArriveScam app a good example of "investing" in infrastructure?
Is adding tens of thousands of new federal employees a good investment?
I could go on, but you get the idea.
I don’t hate his supporters a lot of them are my friends, I just don’t understand how blind they are to his lies, it’s pretty cultish for sure Vic here has a good take on this.
Okay....
...then why are you doing exactly that, rationalizing the spending on one side, while criticizing the spending of the other side?
I don't necessarily agree with your implication/notion that spending necessarily always leads to prosperity by virtue of jobs - but, if spending on goods/services creates jobs (and by extension, what you are implying, prosperity), why is it that high income earners don't get that same credit? High income earners spend on goods/services do they not (saying nothing for the fact that low income earners can also spend on goods and services)? If a middle class individual (however you define that) somehow gets a raise/promotion and is now not "middle class" (i.e. they are now a high income earner), do they miraculously stop spending on goods/services? As a general rule, the more money you have, the more you tend to spend - for obvious reasons. And if you don't agree, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence - the rich doctor with three cars vs the school teacher with only one car. The fancy big law firm partner buying lots of expensive clothing vs the bank teller that only buys cheap clothing, etc. But, in your notion/view, it's only the middle class spending that contributes to the economy - which makes zero sense. If you believe spending is the be all end all for the good of the economy (which is an incorrect perspective to begin with) - well, what difference does it make if it is "this" group or "that" group that does the spending? Your notion only requires spending for consumption to occur, not who does the spending. Again, your notion that spending leads to prosperity by virtue of jobs (or job creation) is not necessarily accurate or correct - but since you believe it, it's funny that you qualified spending on goods/services that "count" as that of the middle class - but other classes of individuals that spend (lower or upper class) on goods/services don't contribute.
The reason Crookedmember states that any government using a lower taxation and incentives for the lower class and middle class benefits the economy the most is because it's been proven over and over again throughout the decades . Certain cases or studies looking into lower taxes for the wealthy will dispute certain points which might be true but quite often you realize that it's an outlier with very specific circumstances never repeated afterwards. Ex. Thatchers's tax cuts 79 followed by Reagan's tax cuts in 81 ...if you cite that as a case than you gotta look into the effect of oil production in the North Sea coming online at the end of the 70s and it's effect on the oil prices and repercussions in the world economy
Nothing new as it's in micro and macro economy 101 with the Maslow's hierarchy of human needs and economic growth pyramid. The best example is the money injected in the economy after WWII for the veterans coming back from the war ended up building the middle class even more than the accelerated industrialisation of the early 1900s and the spread of wealth accomplished by people like Henry Ford and others .
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Its common knowledge that George Soros at some point realized he could get a great bang for his buck by funding the campaigns of soft on crime prosecutors through his multiple political action committees ....it was a lot cheaper than funding congressmen and senators and could get an immediate bang for his buck by destroying the criminal system in the US putting law abiding citizens at risk while going about their everyday lives.
I will try the oldest newspaper in the US then instead of the Washington Times
https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/
These prosecutors have had a major impact on destroying the core of many Democrat run American cities from Los Angeles to New York's Alvin Bragg, to Chicago's Kim Foxx of Jussie Smollet fame, and many other cities from New Orleans to Philadelphia as per the article. No bail, no prosecution for theft under $1000, repeat offenders being released the same day for assaults...the list goes on and on. Its making many major cities in the US unliveable which appears to be what the goal is.
Considering that Russiagate was based on a fake political dossier funded by Hillary Clinton which tied up the US for two years and that her use of a private email server violated federal law and that it was found that she sent multiple secret and top secret classified documents on it she should have been locked up considering what Trump is being charged for.
US priorities right now in particular two of them which Trump would do.
#1 CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER and enact targeted deportation. All it takes is to reinstall remain in Mexico and end catch and release.
#2 With the pending war between Iran and Israel and Iran controlling the strait of Hormuz where 20 million barrels of oil or 30% of the worlds supply travel through.....drill drill drill...North America needs to become self sufficent in fossil fuels again and the American oil reserves...at their lowest point in recent history due to Biden draining them in 2022 to get the price of gas lower before the pending election and then not replenishing them.
He also has to follow through on his tariff promise to keep Chinese electric cars being built at low cost in Mexico from crossing the border and creating a "bloodbath" in the US Auto industry.
Interesting....lol, its the complete opposite for me...most..if not all of my friends support Democrats. We should probably make some kind of trade.
Lol Sadly most of us would run out of friends quickly as the support for Trump in Canada is around 30% ... 2 friends to 1 ...
For this to work ....You gotta look for a guy with a pool of friends exclusively involved with the Conservative Party and/or if you don't mind a bilingual pool of friends... people involved in the Bloc Quebecois ( separatist minded a bit ) in Quebec which is where you will find the greatest number of supporters among Canadians per party .
Best of luck
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To be fair ( To be fair!) Trump is very good at having people believe he is something he is not: Rich, succesfoul, pious, faithful, a common everyday man, thin, a good golfer, big handed, authentic, tasteful, handsome, contemplative , patriotic, innocent.
Maybe those opposed to him are just in line with this whole charade, and us believing hes an actual threat is another flipped projection.
As I dont really care what the political opinions of my friends are I wont be running out of them anytime soon but thanks for the advice and wishes of luck. I think that is something that concerns Liberals more generally and if they find out that one actually said something positive about Trump they would dump that friend faster than a rat scooting up a drainpipe. amirite?
Maybe its because the Democrats have just done such a horrible job of running the country in so many different ways
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Around six-in-ten (58%) say that life in America is worse today than it was 50 years ago for people like them. Only about a quarter (23%) say life today is better, while 19% say it is about the same. The share of Americans who say life today is worse than in the past is up 15 percentage points since the summer of 2021.Apr 24, 2023
Yes, we can add people believing Trump would adress any of these issues meanigfully and in a lasting fashion to the list of things people believe that aren't true.
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I guess you didnt read the last sentence in that quote. A 15% switch in two years is huge. I couldnt find a recent one but I would imagine its even more drastic one year later than April 2023.
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