haha, no what you detect is pooritis
I love getting poorer by the day while your type keep enabling the incompetent
8yrs, our standard of living has actually decreased
but we saved one life, it was worth it, all the damage done to those still here
USA Political Thread 2024
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haha, no what you detect is pooritis
I love getting poorer by the day while your type keep enabling the incompetent
8yrs, our standard of living has actually decreased
but we saved one life, it was worth it, all the damage done to those still here
Look at the guy, hes slathers on so much shit daily he's basically trans. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but the right doesnt generally like men who wear too much makup.
Less shiny toys for you or help for people who need it....hmm hard choices there.
Than we have to apply the same standards for Trudeau 2.0 .
Sorry but neither Trudeau or Trump should have a pass on their deficits in office and debt accumulation during their respective term. If that becomes the standard then we have to start applying other variables like mortality rates as example to see if it was worth it as a mitigating factor...too easy for both of them to justify their screw ups and lack of management.
Don't think you can really compare the relatively small amount of debt Trudeau added as he supported the middle class during COVID, and the 8 TRILLION Trump ran up giving tax cuts to the wealthy.
Apples and oranges.
And keep in mind the other leaders who ran up huge amounts of debt were named Reagan, Bush, Bush, Mulroney and Harper. Not exactly leftists.
Exactly this, cons like to crow about fiscal responsibility but then are the ones to run up huge spending, usually for their rich buddies.
Biden has done it, Obama has done it, every Dem pres before them as well.....but Trump did it much much worse, with no cuts anywhere else.
They vilify the poor as being some sort if moral failure becuse they dont want to give up the houses, yachts and jets they inheritedby by being 'good at being born rich'.
Even those who succeed at upwards mobility then turn around and try to pull the ladder up behind them.
No worries I get it . I know in which position both countries were and the thinking of the time , the difference motivating the decision making and especially who benefited the most out of the tax cuts and aid packages pushed pre COVID and during the pandemic.
You named a few of the past leaders who messed up the public finances in both countries which is good to mention...I would add Trudeau 1.0 who was the worst Prime minister in that regards on this side of the border, Trudeau 2.0 learned from daddy to discard the effect of his policies on the economy.
On the American side Reagan tried to follow Thatcher with the trickle down economy/tax cut without analyzing why it had work in England. Thatcher and Reagan's luck was never to be repeated by future governments but still embraced by the ultra conservative wings of parties among developed countries.
Well there seems to be no cure for TDS so here’s a couple of memes for your consideration
Yup. Dems still think Putin used some kind of unholy GRU black magic to convince Americans that Trump was not a total asshole. Americans knew he was a total asshole. (Even most of the ones who voted for him knew it.) He did not win because he was popular, he was not even fake popular enough to do better than his two GOP predecessors.
All Russia did was expose the internal emails of the Dems, that showed how much they had utterly screwed over the idealists in the Democratic party, proving what they already suspected: Bernie Sanders got screwed to make sure it was never an actual leadership contest. Democrat voters did not switch sides to Trump. Trump was less popular than the two losing Republicans before him. But many more Democrats gave up on voting at all, rather than vote for her. Own goal. Game over.
How do you lose to an unqualified ass clown? Self-sabotage, arrogance, and no interest in what's going on in your own rank-and-file. And the problem with that is: look what happens if you actually lose. For all her hype, she was what sports people call "locker room poison". Even the worst things ever said about Obama (the idiotic birther stuff) were actually started by her, back in 2008. That's some ruthless shit, and when it failed to stick, they gave her another chance to put down another more idealistic challenger in 2016.
The problem in 2024 is they still have not admitted it, and can't see anything wrong inside their own team. Biden does better than Hilldog did vis-a-vis ordinary people, but still does not light the Dems up with optimism. They quietly wish it was someone else, almost anyone else except his own VP. It's another "you just have to eat what we feed you" choice imposed on their membership from above, with no real contest to see if there is someone better.
The whole party system down there is decayed to the point where the choice is between two candidates most Americans can't stand. The mythical "swing voter" is increasingly just people who can't stand both at the same time; really just demoralized non-voters in disguise.
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That's could certainly be debated, as Mulroney and Harper are responsible for more than $600 billion of our ~$1 trillion of debt.
And in the US, Republicans are responsible for almost all of US federal debt.
It's almost like tax cuts for rich people don't actually pay for themselves as conservatives have promised us for decades. Ever since Reagan quadrupled accumulated debt and turned the US into a debtor nation.
The rich are not really investing, they are simply accumulating all the wealth for themselves.
Mulroney like many governments was stuck with a 3 to 5 % wiggle room because of contracts and budget commitments if you recall and when he started cutting after the recession there was quite the uproar. So the PC kept cutting at that 3 to 5% pace for their 9 years tenure even if he knew we were close to the Abyss .
Was it enough ? No ... because when Chrétien took power and put Martin in charge of the finances we were so close to the Abyss that the word bankruptcy was talked about in the inner circles of the government. Martin had to deal debt rating to maintain our interest at level we could pay . So Paul Martin in short order came up with a quick solution ; let's cut the transfer payments to the province and to make sure the provinces can not retaliate and refuse the changes...let's bundle them up in one unique package instead of splitting social, health, etc separately. Not the nicest way to proceed but Martin had no choice and the provinces knew it as they knew what was at stake.
But at the end of the day Pierre E Trudeau was the cause of it all as he was busting his budgets by 25 to 38% year after year from the mid 70s to 84 . The interest rates of the 80s did the rest of the damage.
Cause and effect can be years apart when we are talking about government finances. We should keep that in mind when scrutinizing the numbers .
Cute....so lets face it...nothing anyone says in this thread is going to change anyone's mind one iota but believing that everyone voting for Trump is hypnotized and in a cult is a cheap, dismissive way to justify your hatred of his supporters while ignoring the multiple policy issues which have basically forced Americans into a very difficult choice.
Inflation is still racing through the economy, gas prices through the roof, perception of the legal persecution by the sitting government of the opposition party leader who is ahead in the polls, the unwinnable Ukraine war financed by American taxpayers, the Israeli/Hamas issue and most of all the realization that the Democrats are not interested in closing the border and it is causing major criminal and financial issues with particularly lower income groups, not wealthy Liberal elites.
They also see the institution in many cities of soft on crime prosecutors funded by the leading Democrat donor George Soros who have instituted policies like bail reform and no penalties for theft under $1000 while advocating removing police funding. People do not feel safe anymore. Why is Soros doing this?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/apr/17/george-soros-has-funded-75-pro-criminal-prosecutor/
I get that Trump can be an objectionable blowhard and is frequently his own worst enemy say by targeting John MacCain, a former Vietnam war POW vindictively but for most Americans watching their country deteriorate and get to the point where a meme saying that some Americans are the worst enemy of the country and many believe it says a lot as to where Democrats have taken them over Bidens term of office.
At least I have the ability to get through a post without a mindless rant filled with false accusations and the derogatory terminology that is a hallmark of TDS sufferers. Try it sometime.
If you want to learn how to frame a logical argument perhaps you should examine some of AppleOMacs responses in this thread.
Posting a link to an opinion peice in the 'news' site Wadhington Times about how Soros is behind everything is not memes and false accusations? If you're worried about dark money, how come the federalist society is never brought up?
As for memes and mis-characterizations, remember 'lock her up'? The rights been on a rampage for years with that crap, so claiming unfairness now isn't going to elicit sympathy.
As for your issues, I appreciate you laying them out - what are the alternative feasible policy descisions you think should be made?
I do also appreciate the lack of insults in your response.
Can we please leave the insults out of replies people?
We can always find a way to rationalize debt and spending by our side, while ignoring things like pandemics or worldwide inflation or wars to justify debt and spending by the other side.
The crux of the matter is the widespread belief on the right that conservatives balance budgets and liberals run up debt is abject bullshit.
Conservatives tend to run up debt by giving tax cuts to the wealthy, who they incorrectly refer to as "job creators."
Liberals tend to run up debt investing in the middle class and infrastructure.
The real job creators are middle class folks with money in their pockets to spend on goods and services.
This is why unemployment in the US (and Canada) is near record lows.
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