2024 Canadian Political Thread

[Crookedmember]

Harper promised us "jobs, jobs, jobs" when he gifted the corporations $60 billion worth of tax cuts (which taxpayers like us are still paying for).

Of course, no jobs were created, and the money flowed to head offices down south, share buy backs, and M&As.

These conservatives are such financial wizards!

 

[licks2nite]

A point about TMX. Canada forced to buy Kinder Morgan's pipeline over provision in Nafta. The agreement provides that government compensate industry for disruption by environmentalists. The disruptions considerable if you recall. More than that the terms of the compensation must be kept secret from the public. The amount or even if any compensation paid. Maybe the article I read at the time exaggerated but the compensation isn't supposed to show up in government books either for anyone to look at. For Canada it seems that the price of compensation exceeded the value of the old pipeline and sealed the deal for Canada to buy TMX. Welcome to a world of legal finesse where you don't know what your government gets itself into.

 

[appleomac]

Harper was dead last in job creation when compared to all other prime-ministers who lasted more than one budgetary cycle. One should do their research.

I never claimed which PM created more jobs. You're arguing a point/claim that I never made. So no, I don't need to do research about things that I never claimed. Instead of telling me to do research on something I never claimed or stated, maybe you should work on your reading comprehension so as to not have to resort to arguing points that weren't made to begin with! LOL

 

[appleomac]

Harper promised us "jobs, jobs, jobs" when he gifted the corporations $60 billion worth of tax cuts (which taxpayers like us are still paying for).

As did the Libs prior to Harper. I'm sure you don't know this, because you are, again, very selective with info/facts. The decreasing rate of corporate taxes were done by both Libs and Conservatives in the past. You can argue whether you think that is good or bad. But to imply that this was only a Conservative phenomenon - is you simply being selectively biased and/or otherwise ignorant of the history of the federal corporate tax rate. Closer to 30% (I think 28% if memory serves) was the federal general corp tax rate, before Chretien/Martin lowered it to around 21-22% and further reduced by Harper. Another thing you lefties like to whine about, only 50% capital gains income inclusion - also a Liberal policy (it used to be 75% inclusion). Mate, just stop. You would have a leg to stand on, and an intellectually honest position to have it were simply "tax cuts bad". But that's not your position. You attribute the federal generate corporate tax rate decrease as purely a Conservative policy, or other tax cuts that "benefit the rich" (like capital gains inclusion) as merely a Conservative policy. But you ignore that those things happened under both federal Libs and Conservative governments. And of course, you only selectively point to one side while ignoring the other side (your side) doing the exact same thing. Saying nothing for the fact that if the current Libs truly believed those previous tax cuts (made by both Libs and Conservatives) are really/genuinely bad, they've had since late 2015 to reverse all of them - which they have not.

 

[Drjohn]

Harper was dead last in job creation when compared to all other prime-ministers who lasted more than one budgetary cycle. One should do their research.

This "but Harper" stuff is pretty stale.

The Trudeau/Singh clown show has been around long enough.

Justin and Jagmeet will have to get real jobs.

Who would hire them?

Walmart?

Macdonald's?

Maybe they could head down to Cuba or Venezuela.

I hear things are great there.

 

[oldshark]

actually it's due to our political leaders allowing it, enabling it, being to lazy to, scared to fix it

our tax system needs to be fully reworked to encourage it

we need to stop protecting our few industries from competition

and most importantly we need to close our borders, we don't need more people, just to keep the baby boomers in the lifestyle they've never paid for in the last few years of their lives

cause the robots are coming remember, plus AI too, going to make people expendable

the bottomline is no one is investing in Canada since the trust fund child was elected, for good reason


the U.S. since 2014, has built 21 LNG plants, Canada, zero, cause of the Turd, he won't let it happen, doesn't want it to

tells people no, why would anyone in business invest in Canada with an idiot like that? they won't, haven't, have fled in the last 8 yrs

Mining, same thing, we have the minerals, no one is interested, cause of the Liberals, it's not the business leaders

15 yrs to get anything done in Canada, if you can even get approval from the current morons

Bill Maher, showing how Canada's going down due to Ideology, not facts



OUR BUSINESS LEADERS ONLY GET AWAY WITH WHAT THEY CAN

THEY DON'T MAKE THE RULES

WE KEEP ELECTING PEOPLE WHO ARE LAZY, INCOMPETENT, STUPID, GREEDY, SELF ABSORBED

ONLY INTERESTED IN STAYING IN POWER, WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT

LISTEN TO THE PART WHERE HE COMPARES OUR IMMIGRATION TO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE U.S. IF THEY TOOK IN AS MANY

2 MORE YRS OF THIS SHIT

2 MORE DECADES TO TRY TO RECOVER

The decision not to go to invest in worker productivity goes back decades. It may be influenced to a certain degree by Trudeau but he is not the determining reason. I deal with people making these sorts of decisions and they are very cold hearted. I don't think anything you have said here matters. They don't care what the leaders in the West say whether they are right wing or left wing, they just play them. It is all about maximizing the profit for the company and the company management. I have worked for years to keep and advance jobs in Canada. I work for an international company and deal with executive management and they care a fuck who our leader is. They really, really don't. They groan about Trudeau, they groan about Harper. OMG, I am so tired of this!

 

[Crookedmember]

Harper still haunts us. Like Scheer and Poilievre, he was a lifetime politician who had never, ever held a real job.

He is also the only Canadian PM to inherit surplus budgets (from the Liberals) and turn them into a string of endless deficits.

That takes some real talent.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

This "but Harper" stuff is pretty stale.

The Trudeau/Singh clown show has been around long enough.

Justin and Jagmeet will have to get real jobs.

Who would hire them?

Walmart?

Macdonald's?

Maybe they could head down to Cuba or Venezuela.

I hear things are great there.

The question was on the parties economic record.

And i doubt Poli-oli would try to do anything different than Harper than being worse.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

I never claimed which PM created more jobs. You're arguing a point/claim that I never made. So no, I don't need to do research about things that I never claimed. Instead of telling me to do research on something I never claimed or stated, maybe you should work on your reading comprehension so as to not have to resort to arguing points that weren't made to begin with! LOL

Mate, i never singled you out, why so sensitive?

I stated 'one should do their research' which with my reading comprehension is a plural not singular pronoun.

 

[appleomac]

Mate, i never singled you out, why so sensitive?

I stated 'one should do their research' which with my reading comprehension is a plural not singular pronoun.

My point still stands, one does not need to do research when someone else (i.e. you) makes a statement/claim to counter a point that I never made! LOL

 

[Drjohn]

The question was on the parties economic record.

And i doubt Poli-oli would try to do anything different than Harper than being worse.

It looks like you will be getting your chance to compare Poilievre and Harper.

Trudeau and the Liberals will be destroyed in the next election.

The trust fund kid is done.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

It looks like you will be getting your chance to compare Poilievre and Harper.

Trudeau and the Liberals will be destroyed in the next election.

The trust fund kid is done.

Elected through no fault of his own i guess..

 

[appleomac]

Harper still haunts us. Like Scheer and Poilievre, he was a lifetime politician who had never, ever held a real job.

He certainly haunts you!

He is also the only Canadian PM to inherit surplus budgets (from the Liberals) and turn them into a string of endless deficits.

Why do you keep repeating this? Do you even know if it's actually a correct statement?
Harper took office in Feb. 2006. The Gov't of Canada has a fiscal year of April 1 to March 31.
So, when Harper took office he had the entire fiscal year of his agenda (i.e. fiscal year 2007, which was April 1, 2006 to March 31, 2007). And that fiscal year, according to the audited financial statements of the Gov't of Canada, was a surplus of $13.7 billion.

https://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/201/301/annual_fin_rep_gov_can/pdf/2006-2007.pdf

Now, if you want to make some bollocks argument that those actual financial results was not his (which I'm sure that's some kind of foolish argument you would make). Well, according to the audited financial statements of the Gov't of Canada, for the fiscal year 2008 (i.e. April 1, 2007 to March 31, 2008), the Gov't of Canada achieved a surplus of $9.5 billion.

https://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/201/301/annual_fin_rep_gov_can/pdf/2007-2008.pdf

I know you like to regurgitate things you've heard, things that comport to your particular beliefs - but, that doesn't mean they are true.

That takes some real talent.

Harper's accumulated deficits in 9 years in office - $120 billion.
JT's accumulated deficits up to fiscal 2022 - $498 billion.

I don't know how you judge "talent", quite frankly no one needs a subjective definition of "talent" when the numbers are so clear.

Harper had deficits, sure. But he also had his surpluses. More importantly, he eventually brought back a surplus, albeit small, in fiscal 2015 (his last full fiscal year in office). Regardless of political stripe, that is talent. And if you still don't believe that is talent - it's something the current Libs cannot/have not done, not even close to achieving. So stop with all your falsehoods, your regurgitation of things you heard that you like. You are simply wrong. You are (for whatever reason) incapable of accessing readily and publicly available info to actually see for yourself the financial performance of the Gov't of Canada. You would rather dither on repeatedly about "Harper inheriting a surplus" - which is NOT true. He had his surpluses in his first, second and last year in office.

I don't think you will, but if you wanted to actually review the historical Gov't of Canada audited financial statements...

https://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/201/301/annual_fin_rep_gov_can/pdf/index.html

 

[Noob888]

Is Maher wrong?

Maher described Canada as a “cautionary tale” for the United States, particularly in terms of what he referred to as "extreme wokeness".

Maher pointed out that Canada added 1.3 million people in 2023 alone, equivalent to the U.S. adding 11 million migrants to its population of 335 million. He made this comment amidst Canada’s ongoing housing crisis.

He also criticized Canada’s healthcare system, stating it "ranks dead last among high-income countries in access to primary health care and ability to see a doctor in a day or two".

Maher concluded by saying, "The moral of that tale is, yes, you can move too far left and when you do, you wind up pushing the people in the middle to the right".

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Canadian Debt vs Party in Power.
From the Fraser Institute, yes a markedly right wing organization but in general they are careful about what they put out there.
Examining Federal Debt in Canada by Prime Ministers Since Confederation 2022 (fraserinstitute.org)
In addition
As a more 10000 ft view, Canadian Gross Debt (per capita) is 4th highest amongst the G7. Couple that with productivity and collectively our debt load is pretty high. The issue is "does that impact our every day life?" and YES it does by having less gov money for meaningful programs, ultimately higher taxes and a lower standard of living.
Anyway, all heady topics for the socio economic types amongst this hoard of pooners.

 

[iliketravel]

Justin and Jagmeet will have to get real jobs.

People say this often without realizing how much money those people have. They don't have to work, that's why they fuck around not thinking about consequences. It's a game for them. Look at Mulroney who 'loved' Canada so much, that he moved to the USA until his death. What a patriot! LOL

 

[Drjohn]

People say this often without realizing how much money those people have. They don't have to work, that's why they fuck around not thinking about consequences. It's a game for them. Look at Mulroney who 'loved' Canada so much, that he moved to the USA until his death. What a patriot! LOL

I was being facetious.

I'm very aware that neither of them are short on cash.

Singh is a lawyer who wears a Rolex and wears custom suits.

Trudeau has a nice trust fund. Mom and dad were very well off.

The champagne Socialist and the limousine Liberal.

Aren't we lucky that they've devoted themselves to a life of public service.

"Sarcasm".

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Canadian Debt vs Party in Power.
From the Fraser Institute, yes a markedly right wing organization but in general they are careful about what they put out there.
Examining Federal Debt in Canada by Prime Ministers Since Confederation 2022 (fraserinstitute.org)
In addition
As a more 10000 ft view, Canadian Gross Debt (per capita) is 4th highest amongst the G7. Couple that with productivity and collectively our debt load is pretty high. The issue is "does that impact our every day life?" and YES it does by having less gov money for meaningful programs, ultimately higher taxes and a lower standard of living.
Anyway, all heady topics for the socio economic types amongst this hoard of pooners.

So we're below the average and that bad? Nor sure this is saying what you think.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

So we're below the average and that bad? Nor sure this is saying what you think.

No but you interpret it as you wish.

 

[licks2nite]

Radio News bumped an old 2021 story up couple of days ago:

The original contractor for the behind-schedule and over-budget North Shore Wastewater Treatment Plant project is suing Metro Vancouver for the wrongful termination of its contract, as well as millions of dollars in payments it alleges the regional district wrongfully withheld.

The nearly 100-page lawsuit filed in B.C. Supreme Court on Thursday by Acciona Wastewater Solutions LP alleges that Metro Vancouver - formally the Greater Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District - "repeatedly and wrongfully conducted itself" during the project's design phase "in a manner that subverted the achievement of the commercial purposes.

It also alleges that the regional district was responsible for the vast majority of delays to the project's timeline and demanded that the contractor meet a deadline that it knew was "physically impossible to achieve."

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/contractor-fi...-of-north-shore-wastewater-contract-1.5843340

Socialists supposed to be planners. Contractor claims over 1000 government modifications to the original contract pushed cost over budget. BC fired contractor and didn't pay for work done. Planning to test points of law with taxpayer money isn't what folks want to see in an already fake economy of non-production and inflating currency.