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Pierre Poilievre receives a coveted endorsement from a conspiracy theorist and school massacre denier.

Birds of a feather . . .

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yes, TruAnons like to point that out

now, how about how Trudeau has been

THANKED BY A TERRORIST GROUP HAMAS

FOR HIS WORDS/ACTIONS

YOU KNOW THE ACTUAL GENOCIDAL GROUP, WHO'S STATED TO KILL ALL JEWS THEN GO TO WORK ON CHRISTIANS/GAYS/NOT MUSLIM ENOUGH MUSLIMS

PIERRE CAN'T HELP JONES FOLLOWING HIM

TRUDEAU CAN STOP HELPING HAMAS
 

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It's probably a mistake to base your beliefs on opinion pieces from a newspaper like the National Post which is owned by a Trump-supporting, American hedge fund.

Trudeau will win again. Poilievre is simply too immature and off-putting. The Liberals trotting out the abortion issue will finish the greasy bastard off.

Hillier isn't a National Post employee, as are others who write in most newspapers now, and I think he should know a thing or two about leadership


and the consensus in pretty much every media

except the CBC/Star

is that the Turd is finished, the enablers, NDP rats as well as the Liberal one's too are jumping ship

cause they see the end, a year and a half out

you should stop reading your TruAnon newsletter, where one assumes your beliefs are coming from


watch the Turd, er Sargent Schultz yesterday on the stand at the non interference circus

the CCP must be so proud of their Little Potato

"I see nothing, I know nothing, I read nothing, I get my info from picture pop up books!!"

I didn't watch it all

did he say "Science" when he put his prop glasses on?
 

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It's probably a mistake to base your beliefs on opinion pieces from a newspaper like the National Post which is owned by a Trump-supporting, American hedge fund.

Yup, Postmedia is AMERICAN, not Canadian. It's politics is AMERICAN, not Canadian.
And the same goofs who whine about mainstream media conspiracies will gladly swallow anything from this foreign-owned propaganda conglomerate that has local monopolies in most Canadian markets, which should have been prevented from forming decades ago.
 

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Write a hundred page essay if you want. Won’t change the fact the liberal clowns are destined for defeat. Canadians are fed up, me included.

You have no counter-argument, just hype written for you by someone else, and anything longer than an an Elon Musk twitter feed confuses you. Got it.


Pierre Poilievre receives a coveted endorsement from a conspiracy theorist and school massacre denier.

Birds of a feather . . .

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Because a lying gutless asshole needs validation from other lying gutless assholes, to get even more assholes to send them money and votes. "
Maple MAGA asshole status: CHECK.
 

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Just saying that switching off the ignore button in this thread sure lets a lot of vitrol flow, so I turned it back on.

MPH opinion/

Anyway, as we all move along, you know that feeling that things are a bit heavy, not as light as it all used to be? Prices in '24 causing folks to pull back, be more aware of spending all across the board? Maybe freaking a bit about making everything work out?

Yeah, common feeling I think.

And why is it that we in Canada have tax brackets where they are? Compared to the you es of eh, the top federal bracket is in that 247K mark, and the stats are such that anyone making in the 350K and up range is in the top 1%. States wise that same number might be in the top 6-7% and the top 1% make 2M+ a year.

What that indicates is that we have a LOT of people who have not made more for some time. In fact our productivity, GDP per population is at about 71% of the US, or is at about 2017 productivity level.

But costs are at the 2024 level we see today.

Better productivity will get better income which in turn allows an easing of just trying to make it and starts removing that heavy feeling.

Cultural? Political? Paying for mistakes made over the years?

/MPH out

Productivity was supposedly the holy grail of the Free Trade Agreement, NAFTA, and the WTO.
Nice theory, but in practice, actual gains were non-existent. The "make people work more for less pay" kind of false productivity argument got a boost, but that was only as viable industries with high value added first departed for the US, then Mexico, then even overseas to places like China & India. The reason is that businsess all chase lower costs and regulations - it's not just low pay, but they actively seek places with worse environmental standards, worse safety standards, worse labour practices (even places with unofficial slave labour). Canada turned itself into little more than a supplier of raw materials for other countries to manufacture with, then they sell us back the finished products and we undercut our own society at every turn, to please people who will never be happy until we are all slaves in chains. Combined with huge amounts of wealth being hoarded in places none of our governments are willing to go after, and what you get is a situation where we're playing a game that's always rigged against us.

Real median income has been stagnant or dropping for over 3 decades now; incomes at the very top have gone up (as have the weaponized complaining of those earning it), and the ties between the cost of living and the real economy (actual residents earning actual honest incomes) have broken down broken ("decoupled" as economists like to say) from the onslaught of the "fake" economy (speculators, criminals laundering money, tax evaders, scammers, various corruption schemes) with is massive global black & grey market funds. How can ordinary people possibly compete with that?

Nowhere is this more clear in Canada than real estate. Yes, our population is rising, and the unadjusted incomes of workers do rise as well, but nowhere near the level of price increases / inflation. Decades went by of economists pointing this out, and politicians just said "yeah, but these other stats are the ones the business media likes to look and and they all sound great!".

As the saying goes "that's a feature, not a bug" in the system. They threw away economic models of self-reliance, in favour of unrestricted global capital flows, global supply chains with "just in time" delivery assumptions, and standards of conduct (economic & political) that are always being driven downwards by somebody somewhere. It is something that looks more efficient & productive, but only if you ignore the true costs or slough them off for someone else (meaning the public) to deal with. Well I think COVID tore the disguise off that in a very stark & obvious way, but (pardon the pun) the mask was already slipping off it for many years. What is more shocking of how much they insisted on returning quickly to a "business as usual" condition after the shock of the pandemic wore off, even though business as usual was already not really working. COVID did not invent supply chain problems, elder care and health care crisis, the drug addiction & corruption crisis, and so on.

People who raised alarms about "productivity" before still do now, but as always, what sort of productivity do they mean? If it's just "the 1% expect those below them to work more and (in real terms) get paid less" or "AI doing a shitty job will replace real humans doing a better job" they are going to get some very hard push-back from the public, which is already fed up of being swindled. It seems like whatever "they" gain on the front end, we all lose on the back end. Real innovations that create real productivity gains tend to be very few. Business seems weirdly reluctant to adopt those when they do come up, and it makes me skeptical about whether their call for "productivity" is coded language for something else.
 
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Productivity was supposedly the holy grail of the Free Trade Agreement, NAFTA, and the WTO.
No. The purpose of any free trade agreement is not productivity, it's about liberalization of trade (i.e. making it easier to trade by removing barriers to trade, such as tariffs).

People who raised alarms about "productivity" before still do now, but as always, what sort of productivity do they mean?
Productivity is measurable and comparable. The most common measure of an economy's productivity is GDP per hour worked.
 

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Yeah, she owned him so easily it was embarrassing.

It's interesting that the previous poster didn't acknowledge Poilievre's complete lack of education, his complete lack of any real world work experience, nor his ignorance on an issue that he wants to run an election on.

Nope. He goes full-on misogynist from the get-go.

Which I guess is appropriate because Poilievre put misogynistic tags in his videos for 5 years to attract the Alex Jones types.
Get some help.

crookedmember's got you by the balls on this one. If you have any,

Pollyfuckface used # mgtow on his twitter feed for years, disguised with white text so he could better reach out the the online Incel community without being spotted. Yeah, that's right, he wanted to recruit those rapey cult fuckwads, give them the signal they were okay in his book.

That's not the worst thing though.

Poillievre was also courting members of the Diagolon terrorist group. Yup, every time they threatened to rape or murder public officials people from other parties, Pollywanker was 100% okay with them doing that. Cheered in in every retweet and like, to show the nazi militia goofs at Diagolon that he was interested in mutual support with them.

Then one day, nazi thugs being nazi thugs, they made a joke to the effect of them coming over to Polly Prissypants' house and showing his wife what real men were like in bed whether she wanted to or not - and then finally he decided that their usual antics were no longer acceptable.

Were these guys for real, or just internet blowhards? This was the same group that the RCMP arrested at Coutts during the 2022 Convoy bullshit, the guys which were armed to the teeth and ready to get in gun battles with the cops, to advance their looney-toon ideology. They and other terrorist nutjobs like Atomwaffen Division are considered part of the same movement.

You have to be some kind of special scumbag to think it's great when your terrorist bros are scheming to rape and murder, giving them political cover as "free speech", as long as it's nobody of yours they plan to do it to.

That's the real character of the current Conservative leader. Their are gradients of shitty, but that is at the fucking bottom.
 
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No. The purpose of any free trade agreement is not productivity, it's about liberalization of trade (i.e. making it easier to trade by removing barriers to trade, such as tariffs).



Productivity is measurable and comparable. The most common measure of an economy's productivity is GDP per hour worked.
Well, I understand the quatifiable stats they are throwing out there. Usually the most stripped down simplistic version of it. That's kind of my point.
Break the stat down to into how to achieve that measurement. When they talk about those stats, is that meant as created by true innovation in production, or just a stat bump thanks to "you work more, but we pay you less" pay rate decay?
That's the thing that is rarely answered.
 
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crookedmember's got you by the balls on this one. If you have any,

Pollyfuckface used # mgtow on his twitter feed for years, disguised with white text so he could better reach out the the online Incel community without being spotted. Yeah, that's right, he wanted to recruit those rapey cult fuckwads, give them the signal they were okay in his book.

That's not the worst thing though.

Poillievre was also courting members of the Diagolon terrorist group. Yup, every time they threatened to rape or murder public officials people from other parties, Pollywanker was 100% okay with them doing that. Cheered in in every retweet and like, to show the nazi militia goofs at Diagolon that he was interested in mutual support with them.

Then one day, nazi thugs being nazi thugs, they made a joke to the effect of them coming over to Polly Prissypants' house and showing his wife what real men were like in bed whether she wanted to or not - and then finally he decided that their usual antics were no longer acceptable.

Were these guys for real, or just internet blowhards? This was the same group that the RCMP arrested at Coutts during the 2022 Convoy bullshit, the guys which were armed to the teeth and ready to get in gun battles with the cops, to advance their lonney-toon ideology. They and other terrorist nutjobs like Atomwaffen Division are considered part of the same movement.

You have to be some kind of special scumbag to think it's great when your terrorist bros are scheming to rape and murder, giving them political cover as "free speech", as long as it's nobody of yours they plan to do it to.

That's the real character of the current Conservative leader. Their are gradients of shitty, but that is at the fucking bottom.
Wow!

Every time I think that you've hit rock bottom, you outdo yourself with next level nuttiness.

You make Crookedmember look sane.

That's saying something.

Keep it coming.

I've got my popcorn.
 

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Productivity was supposedly the holy grail of the Free Trade Agreement, NAFTA, and the WTO.

bunch of stuff snipped

replace real humans doing a better job" they are going to get some very hard push-back from the public, which is already fed up of being swindled. It seems like whatever "they" gain on the front end, we all lose on the back end. Real innovations that create real productivity gains tend to be very few. Business seems weirdly reluctant to adopt those when they do come up, and it makes me skeptical about whether their call for "productivity" is coded language for something else.
Trade agreements are to open up markets and to protect specific sectors.

The Canadian work force and market is not dissimilar to the US but we lag in productivity ere go the disparity along the earnings line vs taxes. Our system has the same wealth scrounging way at the top, its down along the line where the differences happen. In my opinion a good part of that is due to how absolutely brilliant Canada has been at exporting jobs by way of raw materials. We can't even get our shit together enough to have a REAL Cross Canada pipeline that is across all provinces, not held up by environmentalists in Quebec who then buy Saudi crude.
 
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Well, I understand the quatifiable stats they are throwing out there. Usually the most stripped down simplistic version of it. That's kind of my point.
Break the stat down to into how to achieve that measurement. When they talk about those stats, is that meant as created by true innovation in production, or just a stat bump thanks to "you work more, but we pay you less" pay rate decay?
That's the thing that is rarely answered.
No, you don't actually "understand the quatifiable stats". It's a measurement. It doesn't state what it's suppose to be. We can measure the height of a 5 year old child - that says nothing about what height a 5 year old child is suppose to be. Now, we can measure that same measurement (i.e. height) when the child is 6, then 7, then 8, then, 9, then 10, etc. years old. Again, that measurement (i.e. the child's height) is not telling us what it's suppose to be. It is showing us a change, (call it a trend). For a normal child from the age of 5 to 10 years old - we would assume that child's height to increase over that time period. Moreover, we can take that child's measurement, and compare not only through time, but to other children of the same age over the same time for the sole purpose of comparison. But, it does not tell us what the height should be. Measuring productivity is the same thing. We can see trends over time and we can compare with other economies. Ergo, using the output per unit of input ratio that is GDP per hour worked, we can see that over time, other countries/economies have increased their output per hour worked - and Canada has not kept pace, making us less productive vis a vis those other countries. Other countries for which we have to compete with for investment capital. So, measuring productivity isn't about achieving a number (using your words "achieve that measurement") - it's about trying to achieve improvement. Improvement isn't a single number - it's a trend, both over time and in comparison to other economies. And because it's also in comparison to other economies, it's relative - which also indicates that it's not simply about hitting a single number.
 

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No, you don't actually "understand the quatifiable stats". It's a measurement. It doesn't state what it's suppose to be. We can measure the height of a 5 year old child - that says nothing about what height a 5 year old child is suppose to be. Now, we can measure that same measurement (i.e. height) when the child is 6, then 7, then 8, then, 9, then 10, etc. years old. Again, that measurement (i.e. the child's height) is not telling us what it's suppose to be. It is showing us a change, (call it a trend). For a normal child from the age of 5 to 10 years old - we would assume that child's height to increase over that time period. Moreover, we can take that child's measurement, and compare not only through time, but to other children of the same age over the same time for the sole purpose of comparison. But, it does not tell us what the height should be. Measuring productivity is the same thing. We can see trends over time and we can compare with other economies. Ergo, using the output per unit of input ratio that is GDP per hour worked, we can see that over time, other countries/economies have increased their output per hour worked - and Canada has not kept pace, making us less productive vis a vis those other countries. Other countries for which we have to compete with for investment capital. So, measuring productivity isn't about achieving a number (using your words "achieve that measurement") - it's about trying to achieve improvement. Improvement isn't a single number - it's a trend, both over time and in comparison to other economies. And because it's also in comparison to other economies, it's relative - which also indicates that it's not simply about hitting a single number.
Precluding comparison with other economies where most of the population is spread out across a 5k km line and a freezing north. And it would be 'not as productive' as other economies, not 'making us less productive'. Productivity hasnt shrunk, relative productivity has.

Or as you might say ' stop trying to run electricity through that pile of feces twixt your ears, its failing yah, mate'
 

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Productivity depends to a great extent on the investment put into the business in the form of equipment, etc. Our business leaders have decided they will make more money for themselves but making everyone else more productive. Chinese and other foreign productivity was created by Western investment.
 
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Precluding comparison with other economies where most of the population is spread out across a 5k km line and a freezing north. And it would be 'not as productive' as other economies, not 'making us less productive'. Productivity hasnt shrunk, relative productivity has.

Or as you might say ' stop trying to run electricity through that pile of feces twixt your ears, its failing yah, mate'
As I stated, comparison of productivity (i.e. it's relativity) is what is important. So no, one should not ignore comparison to other economies.
 

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Productivity depends to a great extent on the investment put into the business in the form of equipment, etc. Our business leaders have decided they will make more money for themselves but making everyone else more productive. Chinese and other foreign productivity was created by Western investment.
actually it's due to our political leaders allowing it, enabling it, being to lazy to, scared to fix it

our tax system needs to be fully reworked to encourage it

we need to stop protecting our few industries from competition

and most importantly we need to close our borders, we don't need more people, just to keep the baby boomers in the lifestyle they've never paid for in the last few years of their lives

cause the robots are coming remember, plus AI too, going to make people expendable

the bottomline is no one is investing in Canada since the trust fund child was elected, for good reason


the U.S. since 2014, has built 21 LNG plants, Canada, zero, cause of the Turd, he won't let it happen, doesn't want it to

tells people no, why would anyone in business invest in Canada with an idiot like that? they won't, haven't, have fled in the last 8 yrs

Mining, same thing, we have the minerals, no one is interested, cause of the Liberals, it's not the business leaders

15 yrs to get anything done in Canada, if you can even get approval from the current morons





Bill Maher, showing how Canada's going down due to Ideology, not facts



OUR BUSINESS LEADERS ONLY GET AWAY WITH WHAT THEY CAN

THEY DON'T MAKE THE RULES

WE KEEP ELECTING PEOPLE WHO ARE LAZY, INCOMPETENT, STUPID, GREEDY, SELF ABSORBED

ONLY INTERESTED IN STAYING IN POWER, WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT

LISTEN TO THE PART WHERE HE COMPARES OUR IMMIGRATION TO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE U.S. IF THEY TOOK IN AS MANY

2 MORE YRS OF THIS SHIT

2 MORE DECADES TO TRY TO RECOVER
 
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Perhaps the reason our friends on the far-right are wrong so often and keep losing elections to Trudeau is because they rely on such stupid entertainment sources for their information like FOX and Hollywood comedians like Bill Maher.

Unemployment rates are simply a survey, and all nations calculate this number differently.

Anyone who has driven through parts of the US and seen the widespread poverty would doubt the 3% unemployment number. In fact, Canada and the UK have far higher labour force participation rates than the US. (For our friends on the right, this means far more people in the US are sitting on their asses collecting welfare and food stamps.)

This chart is from Deloitte, not a stand-up comic:


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"Turd" as juveniles might refer to him, doesn't build LNG plants; private industry does. If the US is building more LNG plants, it is because with much of US energy resources concentrated on coastal areas, it makes business sense. For those of you on the right who don't understand business, and get their information from comedians, that means it's hard to compete with US LNG prices because they don't have to build pipelines over mountains or thousands of miles to a coast.

Let's also remember that during Harper's and Poilievre's ten years in power, not a single tidewater oil pipeline was built. "Turd" got that done.

Let's also remember when Harper and Poilievre were in power, unemployment was 60% higher.

Let's also remember when Harper and Poilievre were in power, we suffered two recessions.

The only folks who think those were the good ol' days get their information from fading comedians on YouTube.
 

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"Turd" as juveniles might refer to him, doesn't build LNG plants; private industry does.
As it should be - industry should, not governments....

Let's also remember that during Harper's and Poilievre's ten years in power, not a single tidewater oil pipeline was built. "Turd" got that do
But you seem to love it when Trudeau buys and completes a pipeline expansion, which you keep touting as a "win." While ignoring that all taxpayers have underwritten the cost and the risk, which again, is at $30 billion and counting!

Let's also remember when Harper and Poilievre were in power, unemployment was 60% higher.
That's some creative mathematics. You are clearly selecting points of convenience to get to "60% higher" aren't you? You are taking a Harper year that was "high" and comparing to a JT year that was low. Actually, I don't think you were even doing any research or math on your own - you're probably just regurgitating something you read without an iota of your own research/due diligence/fact checking to see how accurate that claim of "60% higher" is. Now, unlike you I'll admit I'm not going to waste my time and do the leg work you should've done. But, if I were a betting man, if you were to take the average unemployment rate of Harper's tenure to JT's tenure (which would be a rational comparison and NOT a biased comparison of convenience) - the delta would not be 60%. Put another way, if I were to take the unemployment rate during the 08/09 recession (a Harper year) and compare that to 2020 (a JT year and Covid) - I would suspect 2020 was higher. Now, using those highly selective points would be stupid to say Harper is better than JT on account of being selective - but, your "60% higher" is just doing that, bias by conveniently selecting points in time.

Let's also remember when Harper and Poilievre were in power, we suffered two recessions.
Aren't you the one, on another thread, lamenting/chastising others for ignoring global events like pandemics??? Listen mate, no one is denying 08/09 was a recession, and if you want to say there was a recession in 2014 I'm fine with that too. That said, for someone saying JT gets the benefits of bad "things" happening (like pandemics) yet you criticize the other side when other bad "things" (like recessions) happen, is the epitome of hypocrisy.
 

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As it should be - industry should, not governments....



But you seem to love it when Trudeau buys and completes a pipeline expansion, which you keep touting as a "win." While ignoring that all taxpayers have underwritten the cost and the risk, which again, is at $30 billion and counting!



That's some creative mathematics. You are clearly selecting points of convenience to get to "60% higher" aren't you? You are taking a Harper year that was "high" and comparing to a JT year that was low. Actually, I don't think you were even doing any research or math on your own - you're probably just regurgitating something you read without an iota of your own research/due diligence/fact checking to see how accurate that claim of "60% higher" is. Now, unlike you I'll admit I'm not going to waste my time and do the leg work you should've done. But, if I were a betting man, if you were to take the average unemployment rate of Harper's tenure to JT's tenure (which would be a rational comparison and NOT a biased comparison of convenience) - the delta would not be 60%. Put another way, if I were to take the unemployment rate during the 08/09 recession (a Harper year) and compare that to 2020 (a JT year and Covid) - I would suspect 2020 was higher. Now, using those highly selective points would be stupid to say Harper is better than JT on account of being selective - but, your "60% higher" is just doing that, bias by conveniently selecting points in time.



Aren't you the one, on another thread, lamenting/chastising others for ignoring global events like pandemics??? Listen mate, no one isodenying 08/09 was a recession, and if you want to say there was a recession in 2014 I'm fine with that too. That said, for someone saying JT gets the benefits of bad "things" happening (like pandemics) yet you criticize the other side when other bad "things" (like recessions) happen, is the epitome of hypocrisy.
Harper was dead last in job creation when compared to all other prime-ministers who lasted more than one budgetary cycle. One should do their research.
 
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