Why doesn’t feminism extend to sex workers?

[poopquiz]

Interesting commentary from a local sex worker (stripper?) on SWERFs in the Georgia Straight:

https://www.straight.com/living/why-doesnt-feminism-extend-to-sex-workers

 

[Forum mod]

There's a component of feminism, largely Cis white women, who are very judgmental, often fundamental Christians, who are hypocritical as the day is long. These women shit all over sex workers, trans women, and are often very militantly pro-life as well. Unless and of course it's them who needs the abortion and then they quietly go where ever they need to and get the procedure done. They either don't see themselves as hypocrites or use the bible (mostly a very twisted version of it) to justify themselves. Funny though, while they rail on homosexuality as a sin per the bible, they have no issue with adultery, vanity, pride, wrath and a whole host of other sins. They make most rational people shake their heads and ignore them, but that allows them to do a lot of damage in their wake. Not just women mind you, there are also male feminists who fall into this category too.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

There's a component of feminism, largely Cis white women, who are very judgmental, often fundamental Christians, who are hypocritical as the day is long. These women shit all over sex workers, trans women, and are often very militantly pro-life as well. Unless and of course it's them who needs the abortion and then they quietly go where ever they need to and get the procedure done. They either don't see themselves as hypocrites or use the bible (mostly a very twisted version of it) to justify themselves. Funny though, while they rail on homosexuality as a sin per the bible, they have no issue with adultery, vanity, pride, wrath and a whole host of other sins. They make most rational people shake their heads and ignore them, but that allows them to do a lot of damage in their wake. Not just women mind you, there are also male feminists who fall into this category too.

Did you just describe the premier of Alberta?

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

The shortcomings of Feminism become apparent when the individual's needs depart from the ideological mantra; as it does with most identity politics. I doubt the problem has anything to do with being at odds with Feminism, and more like the typical High School crap from the Teenage Dramas you see on TV. Where the prim and proper "Traditional Girl" is competing for the affections of the "ideal guy" against a "Looser free-spirited" girl... The topic basically comes down to "Slut-shaming within the Sexual Market"; Whereas a "Trad-Girl" sees the "Loose Girl" as a hindrance to her own empowerment when "Sluts" drags the market down around her.

Trad-Girl, who likes to play with Barbie dolls in her own head, sets her sights on that ideal guy, starts sending the vibes his way to do the 'fairy-tale courting dance' to build the foundation of their impending relationship, so she can create and maintain a position of equal influence and empowerment in the relationship... While the loose-girl just tells the guy, she'll suck him off behind the bleachers at the school's soccer-field... Where does that leave the Trad-Girl? Sure, it proves the 'ideal guy' isn't so ideal when given the chance at a free, quick, and easy BJ; but what about the next guy the Trad-girl sets her sights on? What does she have to do to lock him down before the next succubus scoops him? Trad-girl has to lower her standards to compete at the expense of her own level of "empowerment" and "self-esteem", where it is less about being 'prim and proper' and more about 'whale-tail' thongs, padded bras, low-cut blouses, short-skirts, red lipstick, pierced stud through her tongue, and have a tramp-stamp that says "Open for Business"...

Where is this 'empowerment' and 'liberation' when one girl expects a man to do the 'mating dance' and jump through hoops to court a lady into a proper traditional 'long-term' relationship, so when the ties bind she would have some measure of respect and empowerment within the relationship for herself... And yet it can all be undone when said man can just go to the local AMP, Strip Club, Brothel, or the classifieds and streamline the experience for whatever the going rate is.

Even if the point isn't about relationships with the other gender, how does it look toward that orthodox, militant Feminist type who live by a 'code', when the next female isn't towing the line she does? Where is the wiggle room between the 'denominations' of such religion?

 

[vitaminD]

It is nearly impossible to achieve complete agreement among all members of a large unified movement on every aspect of the movement.

I would also express that a significant portion of women who are not sex workers tend to have strong disdain for individuals involved in the sex work industry. Even a substantial number of those who publicly declare their support for sex workers may not actually support them privately.

I would add that the overwhelming majority of women also hold a negative view of men who engage in transactions with or hire sex workers.

There exists a wide range of sex workers, and the distinction between them is significant; for example, a woman offering bikini photos differs greatly from a full-time escort.

escorts are often perceived as the most frowned upon category of sex work (not by me) but by society in general

 

[steverino]

Bill Clinton was largely given a pass from feminists despite his abhorrent behaviour toward women because he otherwise supported many of their positions (felt their pain so to speak). Hypocrisy runs deep in many political realms, feminism among them.

 

[wanderingsoul]

what is the best ethical way to go about hiring escorts as a feminist man?

 

[steverino]

Send a text and arrange an appointment.

 

[maniacalone]

what is the best ethical way to go about hiring escorts as a feminist man?

Tell them you pee sitting down in order to truly understand their plight.

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

what is the best ethical way to go about hiring escorts as a feminist man?

Stop pretending you're a male that holds dear to feminist ideology to begin with....?

I mean, really I don't know who's worse, SIMPs who bend over backwards emotionally and financially with women who don't reciprocate such affection. Or those who use the feminist ideology as if it were a white panel-van with "free puppies" spray-painted on the side.

Like do these guys boast about being a "male-feminist" on the off-chance their lesbian friends invite them out for a picnic to Wreck Beach, thinking he's not going to perv on them because he's 'one of the gals'?

 

[wanderingsoul]

Stop pretending you're a male that holds dear to feminist ideology to begin with....?

I mean, really I don't know who's worse, SIMPs who bend over backwards emotionally and financially with women who don't reciprocate such affection. Or those who use the feminist ideology as if it were a white panel-van with "free puppies" spray-painted on the side.

Like do these guys boast about being a "male-feminist" on the off-chance their lesbian friends invite them out for a picnic to Wreck Beach, thinking he's not going to perv on them because he's 'one of the gals'?

sorry im not a toxic misogynist

 

[golferjohn]

sorry im not a toxic misogynist

lol, my favorite...the either/or argument

 

[RedDragon64]

what is the best ethical way to go about hiring escorts as a feminist man?

I think I might be able to answer this for you.

First I'll need to start by stating that I am a feminist man. I was raised in the 70's by a single feminist mother, and was the only male child (4 sisters). I saw some of the struggles my mother went through trying to raise a family in a male dominated work environment. So feminism to me is first and foremost to treat women respectfully and as equals in most work environments. Feminism in a broader day to day sense also means to treat women respectfully in general unless they act in a manner that does not deserve respect (same as anybody).

So when it comes to the ethical hiring of escorts I treat them with as much respect as I give any other person. My screening process includes reading reviews, so if an escort appears to be a risk of deposit theft, bait & switch, or ghosting (unreliable) then they fail my first pass of screening. I also read the reviews to see how they treat their clients in a booking. If they are not respectful to their clients then they fail the second pass of my screening (based on their bad character as a person).

Once an escort has passed my screening then I proceed to make a booking with her. I am polite and respectful in my booking request and also during the booking, because as a male feminist I believe that women deserve my respect (as people).

Edit to add: I've just read some of the other responses more thoroughly and would like to clarify that I don't wear my male feminism as a badge, or project it onto others. It is just my belief in how to treat women (or anyone really).

 

[masonjar]

"So when it comes to the ethical hiring of escorts I treat them with as much respect as I give any other person."
" I am polite and respectful in my booking request and also during the booking."
...

But these are not being a feminist man, they are just being a decent human.

 

[RedDragon64]

But these are not being a feminist man, they are just being a decent human.

Ok, but if being a male feminist means treating women respectfully and as equals then yes it does simply mean being a decent human.

 

[YaletownFuckboi]

Ok, but if being a male feminist means treating women respectfully and as equals then yes it does simply mean being a decent human.

thats a very out dated definition of feminism. that not what the movement has morphed into.

Most men who are respectful and treat women as equals do not consider themselves to be male feminists.

Virtue signalling tends to be viewed as a red flag.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

How times have changed. Back in the day feminism was trade marked by women without bras. It was glorious!!
Now there is such a thing as male feminists?
Fuck right off.

 

[Pornholio]

How times have changed. Back in the day feminism was trade marked by women without bras. It was glorious!!
Now there is just a thing as male feminists?
Fuck right off.

Feminism has a onlyfans account now

 

[RedDragon64]

thats a very out dated definition of feminism. that not what the movement has morphed into.

Most men who are respectful and treat women as equals do not consider themselves to be male feminists.

Virtue signalling tends to be viewed as a red flag.

Well I was raised in the 70's so that's the view that has stuck with me.

I also mentioned that I don't wear my feminism on my sleeve so I don't know how it could be considered virtue signalling.

 

[OF_manager]

I haven't seen any feminist sex workers calling for the equal pay between men and woman in sex work. Theres a big "pay gap" in sex work, woman sex workers make significantly more than male sex workers.


A lot of woman are only feminists when it benefits them. as soon as there is a situation where it doesn't benefit them, they are no longer feminists.