2024 Canadian Political Thread

[overdone]

It's an "attempted outrage" story but minus the hysteria, it basically boils down to whether these old munitions are even safe to use.

The answer in the story seem to be this:



So while the Ukranians might be willing to take the chance, are Canada's smegheaded opposition parties going to hold their tongues if the government sent these to Ukraine and some disaster happens ? Not bloody likely. Make that a condition of agreeing to the shipment, and see how fast their pet media hacks back away from this story.

Basides, they are now on board the "fuck Ukraine" train, just like their obnoxious puppet masters down south, so basically they are just fishing for new gripes because their old ones are played out.

they've been sitting so long that they are in that shape, which is what I was talking about

incompetence, waste, mismanagement

Trudeau also said he was going to give Ukraine a missile system

which our own military doesn't even have, which he could have bought already, that was over a year ago

they can't give them new ammo, cause we don't have any, cause he, like his father, other Liberals, some cons, continue to gut the military

although Trudeau is doing a even better job, with his wokeness, calling it's main employees, all racist

soon we won't have a military, then commies, leftists will be even more outraged, by the fact that the U.S. will be our only hope, with the Orangutan in charge, who's already stated he won't bother helping

hacks in the media? really?

most are of your persuasion, left wing zealots, who got their nose so far up the Liberals ass they can't tell where they end or begin

Canada, like the rest of Nato have been, like the Trudeau cult, been saying they support Ukraine, while tying one hand behind their backs

by not giving them what they need to do what should be done by Nato

cause after all, Nato isn't responsible for this mess, Putin hasn't killed numerous Nato citizens on their own soil, above Ukraine

they're all about self defence, sure

the bottom line is our country has slipped in every category

in the last 8 short years

and only a cult member would still try to defend the Trudites now


and who ever comes next, will have such a mess to fix, it will take at least a decade if not more

we will be paying for this for decades to come, just like we're still paying for some of his idiot father's bullshit

Jr's are far worse, deeper, we're going to be poorer for at least the next 5-25 years

he couldn't even sell pot right, drug dealers make him look like an idiot

 

[Lo-ki]

they've been sitting so long that they are in that shape, which is what I was talking about

incompetence, waste, mismanagement

Trudeau also said he was going to give Ukraine a missile system

which our own military doesn't even have, which he could have bought already, that was over a year ago

they can't give them new ammo, cause we don't have any, cause he, like his father, other Liberals, some cons, continue to gut the military

although Trudeau is doing a even better job, with his wokeness, calling it's main employees, all racist

soon we won't have a military, then commies, leftists will be even more outraged, by the fact that the U.S. will be our only hope, with the Orangutan in charge, who's already stated he won't bother helping

hacks in the media? really?

most are of your persuasion, left wing zealots, who got their nose so far up the Liberals ass they can't tell where they end or begin

Canada, like the rest of Nato have been, like the Trudeau cult, been saying they support Ukraine, while tying one hand behind their backs

by not giving them what they need to do what should be done by Nato

cause after all, Nato isn't responsible for this mess, Putin hasn't killed numerous Nato citizens on their own soil, above Ukraine

they're all about self defence, sure

the bottom line is our country has slipped in every category

in the last 8 short years

and only a cult member would still try to defend the Trudites now


and who ever comes next, will have such a mess to fix, it will take at least a decade if not more

we will be paying for this for decades to come, just like we're still paying for some of his idiot father's bullshit

Jr's are far worse, deeper, we're going to be poorer for at least the next 5-25 years

he couldn't even sell pot right, drug dealers make him look like an idiot

 

[Crookedmember]

Yes, we're in bad shape. Lowest unemployment rate and highest worker participation rate in a generation.

Lowest debt-GDP in the G7.

Lowest child poverty rate ever. Affordable daycare.

Universal dental care.

Zero recessions, even after the pandemic (Harper gave us two, including the biggest one since '29).

Perfect? No. But pretty fucking good.


Now will one of the deluded right-wingers post a list of what Poilievre has done for us during his two decades at the Ottawa trough, including ten in government?

Reckon it'll be a short fucking list.

 

[richboy93]

Now will one of the deluded right-wingers post a list of what Poilievre has done for us during his two decades at the Ottawa trough, including ten in government?

Reckon it'll be a short fucking list.

I remember a lot of people jumping on Trudeau junior for his only "real" job being a teacher, yet none of them say anything about Poilievre being a career politician since he was a teenager, (illegally) campaigning when he should be doing work of legislating, pointing the finger at Trudeau whenever he gets asked a tough question and lashing out at reporters. American brain dead politics is here in Canada and is going to destroy what little we have left (public healthcare, world class government pension, half-decent police). Hopefully once the Liberals start campaigning again they can win back enough support for a minority government and keep the Cons out until they can get people that can govern without all the culture war BS (but I doubt it on both counts).

 

[Drjohn]

I remember a lot of people jumping on Trudeau junior for his only "real" job being a teacher, yet none of them say anything about Poilievre being a career politician since he was a teenager, (illegally) campaigning when he should be doing work of legislating, pointing the finger at Trudeau whenever he gets asked a tough question and lashing out at reporters. American brain dead politics is here in Canada and is going to destroy what little we have left (public healthcare, world class government pension, half-decent police). Hopefully once the Liberals start campaigning again they can win back enough support for a minority government and keep the Cons out until they can get people that can govern without all the culture war BS (but I doubt it on both counts).

The record of the last 8 years of Liberal government is not defendable.

I'm not super worried about "culture wars".

What does bother me is the incompetence and corruption. I'm not enjoying the inflation, out of control immigration or the rampant crime either.

The misplaced obsessions with climate change, diversity and gender ideologies are doing permanent damage to the country.

The Liberals will be crushed in the next election.

Hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[overdone]

Yes, we're in bad shape. Lowest unemployment rate and highest worker participation rate in a generation.

Lowest debt-GDP in the G7.

Lowest child poverty rate ever. Affordable daycare.

Universal dental care.

Zero recessions, even after the pandemic (Harper gave us two, including the biggest one since '29).

Perfect? No. But pretty fucking good.


Now will one of the deluded right-wingers post a list of what Poilievre has done for us during his two decades at the Ottawa trough, including ten in government?

Reckon it'll be a short fucking list.

haha, universal dental care, really?

you really don't have a grasp on reality do you, are you a TruAnon or just a delusional NDP devote?

go talk to any dentist, or look at the actual benefits that are on offer under the hardly "universal" plan

you'll be lucky to get your teeth cleaned, one filling maybe

facts, reality, not spin, bullshit

it's a joke

much like daycare, which never worked in Que, they've always had waiting lists, not to mention their "economy" has never been good

AB, has half the population, same GDP, not to mention, the bullshit excuse for the welfare for breeders

is to get women into the workforce, it doesn't increase the numbers

not to mention it doesn't pay for itself, last figure mentioned, $10,000/yr, per kid, being "saved" by a family

who do you know paying $10,000/yr in taxes? % of population, hardly enough to pay for itself

lowest debt to GDP, lol, we would have had half that if Trudites would have shown the slightest restraint of an average drug addict

bragging about being the best of the worst, hardly worth it

HIGHEST PARTICIPATION IN WORKFORCE, YEAH CAUSE 70 AND 80 YEAR OLDS HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK TO FEED THEMSELVES ALONG WITH CHILDREN TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES

CAUSE OF ALL THE HARM TRUDEAU HAS DONE IN 8 SHORT YEARS

EVERYONE IS POORER, GO LOOK AT REAL NUMBERS THAT COUNT

SINCE TRUDEAU TOOK OVER, CANADIANS ARE GOING NEGATIVE

EVEN THE HILLBILLIES IN THE U.S. STATES ARE AHEAD OF US NOW

GOOGLE IT, THERE ARE PLENTY OF ARTICLES ON IT

NO RECESSION? HOW SOON THEY FORGET THE PANDEMIC, FFS


MILITARY, RACISTS, WHITEY RACISTS, UNDERFUNDED, NO AMMO, NO SHIPS, NO JETS, ECT........BUDGET CUT

PASSPORTS, POT, HIGHER TAXES ON BOOZE, HIGHER TAXES ON EVERYTHING, CARBON TAX, EMISSIONS NEVER WENT DOWN

EXCEPT DURING THAT NON RECESSION DURING THE PANDEMIC YOU SLEPT THRU, HAHA

COULD GO ON FOR ABOUT ANOTHER HOUR BUT WHY, YOU'RE CLEARLY A TRUE BELIEVER

IN THE HAIR/SOCKS


THERE IS NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT, BE PROUD ABOUT, THE POVERTY RATE OF CHILDREN?

THEN WHY ARE POLL AFTER POLL SAYING FAMILIES CAN'T FEED THEMSELVES? HOUSE THEMSELVES? TRANSPORT THEMSELVES?

ARE $200 AWAY FROM INSOLVENCY? HOW MANY TENTS WERE ON THE STREET IN 2015?

DRUG ADDICTS DYING THAT YEAR?

FACTS, REALITY

TRUDEAU HAS BEEN THE DISASTER, EVIL UNCLE STEVEN SAID HE WOULD BE

 

[overdone]

I remember a lot of people jumping on Trudeau junior for his only "real" job being a teacher, yet none of them say anything about Poilievre being a career politician since he was a teenager, (illegally) campaigning when he should be doing work of legislating, pointing the finger at Trudeau whenever he gets asked a tough question and lashing out at reporters. American brain dead politics is here in Canada and is going to destroy what little we have left (public healthcare, world class government pension, half-decent police). Hopefully once the Liberals start campaigning again they can win back enough support for a minority government and keep the Cons out until they can get people that can govern without all the culture war BS (but I doubt it on both counts).

haha, healthcare? where have you been for the last 15 to 20 years?

never seen the news? read a paper? our healthcare system, only other one like it, CUBA, is/has been slowly crumbling for that time

we have basic acute care, if you run into the right Dr, and basic primary care, if you can find one

we pay more than any other country, thru taxes, get basically the worst outcomes per dollar, it's socialism that's destroying it, not capitalism

world class pension? I'm assuming you mean an actual government worker, lol

cause the CPP is a joke, as are the RCMP

no one can survive on the CPP

AND OLD AGE SECURITY ISN'T A PENSION, IT'S OLD PEOPLE WELFARE, IT COMES OUT OF TAXES, GIVEN TO ALMOST EVERYONE

YOU HAVE TO NET, NET, 70G'S BEFORE YOU'RE CUT OFF, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH EVERY OLD PERSON

IT'S WHY YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T GET BY NOW, HIGH TAXES TO PAY WELFARE FOR THE BEST OFF IN SOCIETY

OLD PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN MOST, THEY'VE NEVER PAID THEIR WAY

REMEMBER THAT DEBT THE OTHER GUY ABOVE IS SO PROUD OF? HAHA

EVERY GOV'T, ALL LEVELS, NEVER PAID EVERY YEAR THRU TAXES, ALWAYS HAD DEBT, SINCE THE LAST POS TRUDEAU

WHO KICKED IT OFF WORSE THAN IT WAS, OLD PEOPLE TODAY, LIVED THRU THAT WITHOUT


"PAYING MY TAXES" ALL THOSE YEARS NOW DESERVE EVEN MORE WELFARE CAUSE THEY NEVER SAVED OR BUDGETED

CULTURE WARS, THE CONS ARE THE PROBLEM?

TRUDEAU'S WHOLE M.O. IS ABOUT THAT, EXCEPT FROM THE LEFT WING ZEALOT SIDE

EVERYONE WAS A NAZI, THEN WHITE RACIST, WIFE BEATER, ECT......


OH CHRIST, THE GUY WHO HASN'T BEEN IN POWER FOR 8 YEARS IS THE PROBLEM

NOT THE ONE DRIVING THE SHORT BUS OFF THE CLIFF

 

[zippy45]

Why you typing in all caps

Makes it seem more important

 

[zippy45]

Under a conservative and a Liberal government I manage to go on vacation 2 times a year. Really think it has to do with never being married and nothing about the government. Opposition will shout they have the answer to fix everything yet they never seem to say what it is.

 

[richboy93]

The record of the last 8 years of Liberal government is not defendable.

I'm not super worried about "culture wars".

What does bother me is the incompetence and corruption. I'm not enjoying the inflation, out of control immigration or the rampant crime either.

The misplaced obsessions with climate change, diversity and gender ideologies are doing permanent damage to the country.

The Liberals will be crushed in the next election.

Hopefully sooner rather than later.

I would never defend the Liberals, they lost my vote after they promised electoral reform and threw it out when they couldn't implement the system that would get them even more power. My problem is with people chastising Trudeau and then pretending like the conservatives will be any different.

I wish the politicians didn't care about culture wars either, but if you haven't noticed, that's all conservatives seem to care about these days, they don't legislate except to give tax payer money to their friends in business or to take away our rights under the guise of "helping the children" by attacking marginalized groups. Even in Alberta where they say they are protecting the rights of parents, all they did was take away parental rights and people ate it up.

Climate change is the single biggest threat to our way of life. Anyone that still doesn't understand this baffles me. Do you just think you're more knowledgeable than every climate scientists that spends 12 hours a day studying this stuff? Or do you really just believe oil lobby propaganda when they tell you that the climate scientists are just spewing lies for the money?

I hear more complaining about diversity/gender ideology than I actually hear about diversity and gender ideology.

I do think the Liberals will lose the next election though, people love easy answers and Conservatives have plenty of those.

 

[picante55]

Man i really want my money back. Why did the fed govt spent so much on arrivecan

They didn't spend it, they gave it away.

 

[Drjohn]

I would never defend the Liberals, they lost my vote after they promised electoral reform and threw it out when they couldn't implement the system that would get them even more power. My problem is with people chastising Trudeau and then pretending like the conservatives will be any different.

I wish the politicians didn't care about culture wars either, but if you haven't noticed, that's all conservatives seem to care about these days, they don't legislate except to give tax payer money to their friends in business or to take away our rights under the guise of "helping the children" by attacking marginalized groups. Even in Alberta where they say they are protecting the rights of parents, all they did was take away parental rights and people ate it up.

Climate change is the single biggest threat to our way of life. Anyone that still doesn't understand this baffles me. Do you just think you're more knowledgeable than every climate scientists that spends 12 hours a day studying this stuff? Or do you really just believe oil lobby propaganda when they tell you that the climate scientists are just spewing lies for the money?

I hear more complaining about diversity/gender ideology than I actually hear about diversity and gender ideology.

I do think the Liberals will lose the next election though, people love easy answers and Conservatives have plenty of those.

I do love easy answers to problems that were created by Trudeau and the Liberals.

Curb immigration.

Keep repeat offenders in jail.

Drop the carbon tax.

Stop sending money to corrupt foreign governments.

Stop the growth of the civil service.

Stop propping up legacy media.

Stop spending money we don't have.

Stop the sanctimony, condescension and hypocracy.

I don't expect perfection from the future Conservative government.

At this point, anything is an improvement over the current dumpster fire.

 

[appleomac]

Climate change is the single biggest threat to our way of life. Anyone that still doesn't understand this baffles me.

It shouldn't baffle anyone at all. Issues like climate change, I like to refer to as "discretionary issues" - their relative importance to people is a function of their discretionary income (and by extension the economy). When things are good - people care about the issue. When things are bad - people don't really care, because they have other more pressing day to day issues that matter to them more. Everyone apparently cares about saving whales, when things are good. If you're just a regular Joe/Jane and you're worried about that mortgage renewal at higher rates, grocery inflation, etc. - big surprise when they don't really care about the whales. Same reason why celebs always have their pet causes - the Leo Dicaprio's of the world, they aren't really concerned about mortgage rates and grocery inflation. It's not rocket science, you cannot lecture Joe and Jane Doe about a discretionary issue when things are bad - they don't care about discretionary issues, they care about their own day-to-day issues.

 

[zippy45]

I do love easy answers to problems that were created by Trudeau and the Liberals.

Curb immigration.

Keep repeat offenders in jail.

Drop the carbon tax.

Stop sending money to corrupt foreign governments.

Stop the growth of the civil service.

Stop propping up legacy media.

Stop spending money we don't have.

Stop the sanctimony, condescension and hypocracy.

I don't expect perfection from the future Conservative government.

At this point, anything is an improvement over the current dumpster fire.

And if you think any of that will change under the Conservatives I have a bridge I am looking to sell

 

[Drjohn]

And if you think any of that will change under the Conservatives I have a bridge I am looking to sell

This post will age well...

Lol.

 

[richboy93]

It shouldn't baffle anyone at all. Issues like climate change, I like to refer to as "discretionary issues" - their relative importance to people is a function of their discretionary income (and by extension the economy). When things are good - people care about the issue. When things are bad - people don't really care, because they have other more pressing day to day issues that matter to them more. Everyone apparently cares about saving whales, when things are good. If you're just a regular Joe/Jane and you're worried about that mortgage renewal at higher rates, grocery inflation, etc. - big surprise when they don't really care about the whales. Same reason why celebs always have their pet causes - the Leo Dicaprio's of the world, they aren't really concerned about mortgage rates and grocery inflation. It's not rocket science, you cannot lecture Joe and Jane Doe about a discretionary issue when things are bad - they don't care about discretionary issues, they care about their own day-to-day issues.

That's one way to look at it. The problem is it's not just people not caring. People are outright denying that a problem even exists. You having trouble paying your mortgage doesn't mean our climate is going to hell in next few decades. It's going to cause even more problems and by the time it affects you more than your mortgage does it will be too late to fix it.

I have no problem with people prioritizing their mortgage over the climate crisis, but don't stand in the way of solutions just because of corporate propaganda (e.g., opposition to carbon tax is mostly corporate led because it's one of the few taxes that helps the average person and hurts the corporations/wealthy more).

 

[Drjohn]

That's one way to look at it. The problem is it's not just people not caring. People are outright denying that a problem even exists. You having trouble paying your mortgage doesn't mean our climate is going to hell in next few decades. It's going to cause even more problems and by the time it affects you more than your mortgage does it will be too late to fix it.

I have no problem with people prioritizing their mortgage over the climate crisis, but don't stand in the way of solutions just because of corporate propaganda (e.g., opposition to carbon tax is mostly corporate led because it's one of the few taxes that helps the average person and hurts the corporations/wealthy more).

I'm sorry, you could not be more wrong.

The carbon tax is highly regressive. That means it disproportionately affects low and middle income people when they pay for gasoline and home heating oil.

Corporations pass on any tax inputs to their customers so they don't really care how high the carbon tax is.

Wealthy people aren't too worried because they're wealthy.

Carbon taxes are a poorly thought out attempt at virtue signaling on a grand scale.

The carbon tax has little to no affect on global pollution levels and at the same time it is doing real damage to the Canadian economy.

It's a shame but I think people are at least starting to see through all this climate change nonsense.

All these save the earth clowns will have to find something better to do.

 

[westwoody]

Note the anti-carbon tax arguers never mention the rebates.

 

[appleomac]

That's one way to look at it. The problem is it's not just people not caring. People are outright denying that a problem even exists. You having trouble paying your mortgage doesn't mean our climate is going to hell in next few decades. It's going to cause even more problems and by the time it affects you more than your mortgage does it will be too late to fix it.

I have no problem with people prioritizing their mortgage over the climate crisis, but don't stand in the way of solutions just because of corporate propaganda (e.g., opposition to carbon tax is mostly corporate led because it's one of the few taxes that helps the average person and hurts the corporations/wealthy more).

Polls indicate that Canadians, the large majority of Canadians, are concerned about climate change - something like 7 or 8 out of 10 Canadians. That said, all of our "solutions" (at present) amount to "let them eat cake." A household living pay cheque to pay cheque, that already has debt on account of, let's say, a mortgage, paying off student loans, paying off a car loan, etc. - they don't want to be lectured about buying a $55k Tesla or an $8k heat pump when the only car they can afford is a $30k Corolla. How "helpful" is a $5k subsidy on a $55k car, when you can't even afford a $50k car to begin with? How helpful is a 0% loan for an $8k heat pump when a household is already deep into debt? This is not rocket science, you cannot convince the regular Joe/Jane to just "have more cake." No rational person is going to take on more debt (when they are uncomfortable doing so and/or already drowning in debt) just so you can feel better.

 

[masterblaster]

Note the anti-carbon tax arguers never mention the rebates.

Have heard the liberals claim the average person gets back more in rebates than they pay in carbon tax. Who’s dumb enough to buy this liberal bullshit? The sooner the clowns are voted out of office the better off the country will be.