Olivia @IF and IF no see lists

[altay]

Well guys, this is a second time a lady at IF puts me on the "no see list".

One was by Trinity , I have not even seen once.
This time it is Olivia, with whom I have had quite some good fun for three times, although, last t
time I was feeling Olivia was quite abrupt when time's up, almost to the military style, like session is over let's be quick, turning into a "superprofessional cold biz sausage" mode.

Anyways, what a surprise it is to discover that now I am on her no see list for no obvious reason to me. Why a surprise-I really put a significant thought and effort into being a polite gentleman during each session, I am fit, not old etc, but here we go: what a surprise.

Anyways, I am canceling all my appointments with IF until further notice. I have to sit and reflect on the situation.

-SVIPS is a photoshop mastership and once was put on no see list even before seen a lady (the formula was: "unlikely to meet expectations" by Paris
-VC is a center for the industry feminism (one lady asks not to post reviews even good one, the other with some hygiene issues)
-And now it is IF-a no see list center for me.

Am I pissed off, I am clearly passed off, yes.

I guess I have to switch back to the indies.
Best of luck to you guys, I just thought I have to share and make you aware of the situation.

 

[Dubtrub]

Well guys, this is a second time a lady at IF puts me on the "no see list".

One was by Trinity , I have not even seen once.
This time it is Olivia, with whom I have had quite some good fun for three times, although, last t
time I was feeling Olivia was quite abrupt when time's up, almost to the military style, like session is over let's be quick, turning into a "superprofessional cold biz sausage" mode.

Anyways, what a surprise it is to discover that now I am on her no see list for no obvious reason to me. Why a surprise-I really put a significant thought and effort into being a polite gentleman during each session, I am fit, not old etc, but here we go: what a surprise.

Anyways, I am canceling all my appointments with IF until further notice. I have to sit and reflect on the situation.

-SVIPS is a photoshop mastership and once was put on no see list even before seen a lady (the formula was: "unlikely to meet expectations" by Paris
-VC is a center for the industry feminism (one lady asks not to post reviews even good one, the other with some hygiene issues)
-And now it is IF-a no see list center for me.

Am I passed off, I am clearly passed off, yes.

I guess I have to switch back to the indies.
Best of luck to you guys, I just thought I have to share and make you aware of the situation.

From my experience, girls don't put you on a no see list without great reason, so maybe you aren't noticing what you are putting out, maybe you should reflect on you. And from reading the fact that you had to put that you're fit and not old kinda says some things. Goodluck with your indies, but I know the ladies don't do things like that without a very good reason. The fact you have been out on the list by multiple women also speaks volumes.
Always be kind and be respectful 🙏

 

[altay]

From my experience, girls don't put you on a no see list without great reason, so maybe you aren't noticing what you are putting out, maybe you should reflect on you. And from reading the fact that you had to put that you're fit and not old kinda says some things. Goodluck with your indies, but I know the ladies don't do things like that without a very good reason. The fact you have been out on the list by multiple women also speaks volumes.
Always be kind and be respectful 🙏

I read your comment as: "It is always a narcissistic gentleman fault."

Aha. Right.

I am a toxic machista masculinist and i admit it. This is how western toxic feminists describe me, but I am not always like that in my exterior expressions.

That's why I cannot quite understand your comments. We are talking different languages.

So I won't react to your comment too much.

Olivia was the first to blacklist me whom I saw in person. Others blacklisted me virtually even before seeing me=scared of not meeting the expectations and not delivering a high level service. Unlike others, I am not going to sit and tear my hair, blaming myself of various shades of brown sh.t. I know my value, level and price, even I am getting old and slowly depreciating in terms of physical stamina, just so you know I am not withdrawn from assessing myself critically. Aging is slowly taking its course.

So a simple stat analysis may help you to appreciate information critically in the future.

One lady of those I have seen blacklisted me = whatever unknown reason bucket.

Two blacklisted me of those I have not seen=scared of not delivering quality service bucket.

Don't you think these are two different cohorts and there is simply not enough numbers to run any stats and do critical appraisal yet you did draw your precious conclusions blaming, essentially, your brother in arms.

Stats like 3 of the same kind to draw conclusions, yet you jump to your emotional "blaming self" victim style conclusions,

Oh man, are you, by any chance, in an unhealthy feministic camp? Wake up.

 

[shivs1]

Well guys, this is a second time a lady at IF puts me on the "no see list".

One was by Trinity , I have not even seen once.
This time it is Olivia, with whom I have had quite some good fun for three times, although, last t
time I was feeling Olivia was quite abrupt when time's up, almost to the military style, like session is over let's be quick, turning into a "superprofessional cold biz sausage" mode.

Anyways, what a surprise it is to discover that now I am on her no see list for no obvious reason to me. Why a surprise-I really put a significant thought and effort into being a polite gentleman during each session, I am fit, not old etc, but here we go: what a surprise.

Anyways, I am canceling all my appointments with IF until further notice. I have to sit and reflect on the situation.

-SVIPS is a photoshop mastership and once was put on no see list even before seen a lady (the formula was: "unlikely to meet expectations" by Paris
-VC is a center for the industry feminism (one lady asks not to post reviews even good one, the other with some hygiene issues)
-And now it is IF-a no see list center for me.

Am I passed off, I am clearly passed off, yes.

I guess I have to switch back to the indies.
Best of luck to you guys, I just thought I have to share and make you aware of the situation.

That's frustrating man. One of the main reasons I refrain from writing reviews good or bad publicly. Once it's found out who you are if they don't like what you're saying it's bye bye.

SVIPs really did you a favor about Paris though. You'd have been VERY disappointed by her services (lack thereof).

Good on you for taking a break to reflect though. Sometimes we get in way deep with "hobbies" losing sight of the fun parts by focusing too much on the little things

 

[Dustyduster]

You kind of dug your own grave with your review style, impressing the men here you have but clearly not the women you should have been trying.

 

[Dubtrub]

I read your comment as: "It is always a narcissistic gentleman fault."

Aha. Right.

I am a toxic machista masculinist and i admit it. This is how western toxic feminists describe me, but I am not always like that in my exterior expressions.

That's why I cannot quite understand your comments. We are talking different languages.

So I won't react to your comment too much.

Olivia was the first to blacklist me whom I saw in person. Others blacklisted me virtually even before seeing me=scared of not meeting the expectations and not delivering a high level service. Unlike others, I am not going to sit and tear my hair, blaming myself of various shades of brown sh.t. I know my value, level and price, even I am getting old and slowly depreciating in terms of physical stamina, just so you know I am not withdrawn from assessing myself critically. Aging is slowly taking its course.

So a simple stat analysis may help you to appreciate information critically in the future.

One lady of those I have seen blacklisted me = whatever unknown reason bucket.

Two blacklisted me of those I have not seen=scared of not delivering quality service bucket.

Don't you think these are two different cohorts and there is simply not enough numbers to run any stats and do critical appraisal yet you did draw your precious conclusions blaming, essentially, your brother in arms.

Stats like 3 of the same kind to draw conclusions, yet you jump to your emotional "blaming self" victim style conclusions,

Oh man, are you, by any chance, in an unhealthy feministic camp? Wake up.

Lol the only common denominator about you being no go listed is you my friend. You can blame whomever you want for your actions. I take accountability for mine. I wasn't saying anything other than maybe you don't realize what vibe you give off. But hey come at me if you'd like, I'm very very comfortable with who I am . Peace my friend and I hope you have a great day.

 

[Ahex92]

I read your comment as: "It is always a narcissistic gentleman fault."

Aha. Right.

I am a toxic machista masculinist and i admit it. This is how western toxic feminists describe me, but I am not always like that in my exterior expressions.

That's why I cannot quite understand your comments. We are talking different languages.

So I won't react to your comment too much.

Olivia was the first to blacklist me whom I saw in person. Others blacklisted me virtually even before seeing me=scared of not meeting the expectations and not delivering a high level service. Unlike others, I am not going to sit and tear my hair, blaming myself of various shades of brown sh.t. I know my value, level and price, even I am getting old and slowly depreciating in terms of physical stamina, just so you know I am not withdrawn from assessing myself critically. Aging is slowly taking its course.

So a simple stat analysis may help you to appreciate information critically in the future.

One lady of those I have seen blacklisted me = whatever unknown reason bucket.

Two blacklisted me of those I have not seen=scared of not delivering quality service bucket.

Don't you think these are two different cohorts and there is simply not enough numbers to run any stats and do critical appraisal yet you did draw your precious conclusions blaming, essentially, your brother in arms.

Stats like 3 of the same kind to draw conclusions, yet you jump to your emotional "blaming self" victim style conclusions,

Oh man, are you, by any chance, in an unhealthy feministic camp? Wake up.

How can you make a post being confused as to why you are being blacklisted, while also in that same post openly admitting to being a misogynist? You also stated you sometimes hide your true feelings about some providers. Well that won’t be happening any more. I’d be surprised if the blacklisting didn’t escalate after this. Its also giving textbook narcissism that when you’re called out for your attitude and demeanour you brush off any self reflection and think anyone is talking about your age or physical attributes? What????

 

[altay]

How can you make a post being confused as to why you are being blacklisted, while also in that same post openly admitting to being a misogynist? You also stated you sometimes hide your true feelings about some providers. Well that won’t be happening any more. I’d be surprised if the blacklisting didn’t escalate after this. Its also giving textbook narcissism that when you’re called out for your attitude and demeanour you brush off any self reflection and think anyone is talking about your age or physical attributes? What????

Oh yes, I was waiting for this misogynistic word. What exactly is misogynistic, the things that I control and don't express? Are you a police of thought? You have a reasonable suspicion of misogynistic thinking that I criminally hide and don't express?

Please stop this voke nonsense.

This post was to report the event. A given provider is not obliged to see clients, in fact, it is good not to see clients they dont like to keep this movement somewhat pleasant and genuine.

However, I am reporting what happened to me and was a frank surprise. This is misogynistic?

Others may fin this to be
-interesting,
-frustrating,
-peculiar,
-of note etc

You find it misogynistic, how? Have I used any abusive language, language of superiority, hate speech etc or me stating I am a machista masculinist is misogynistic by itself? Ahaha you made my day.

Please quote misogynistic expressions. Or the logic is "I am a feminist"=not misogynistic, but "I am a masculinist" is misogynistic. I am waiting, seriously, please elaborate whats narcissistic and whats misogynistic, exactly. By the way, a narcisist would never admit aging and loosing attractiveness. What other physical descriptions stressed you? Was i mentioning anything esle, but admitting that i am getting older and less attractive? Is this misogynistic? Seriously, define misogynistic and quote misogynistic exoressions I allowed myself. Waiting. Yiu got answer and mean your words. Please do.

And yes u r funny. Thanks for entertaining 🤣

Serious consequences... what r u talking about?

 

[Dubtrub]

Oh yes, I was waiting for this misogynistic word. What exactly is misogynistic, the things that I control and don't express? Are yiu a police of though?

Please stop this voke nonsense.

This post was to report the event. A given provider is not onliged to see clients, in fact it is good not to see clients they dont like to keep this movement somrwhat pleasant and genuine.

However, i am reporting what happened to me and was a frank surprise.

Others may fin this to be
-interesting,
-frustrating,
-peculiar,
-of note etc

You find it misogynistic, how? Have I used any abusive language, language of superiority, hating speech etc or me stating I am a machista masculinist is misogynistic by itself? Ahaha you made my day.

Please quote misogynistic exoressions. I am waiting. And yes u r funny. Thanks for entertaining 🤣

Considering how many times you've been revoked I find it hard to believe that it was a big surprise, but hey you do you bro. Keep being clueless

 

[altay]

Considering how many times you've been revoked I find it hard to believe that it was a big surprise, but hey you do you bro. Keep being clueless

How many times? Really once ) ahah, definitely arithmetic is a problem here I guess. Virtual no see is being scared of my harsh reviews ) ahah u r so funny. Count and stratify. Don't mix oranges and apples

 

[Island_Dreams]

How many times? Really once ) ahah, definitely arithmetic is a problem here I guess. Virtual no see is being scared of my harsh reviews ) ahah u r so funny. Count and stratify. Don't mix oranges and apples

Not to gang up by any means but you did say

“Others blacklisted me virtually even before seeing me=scared of not meeting the expectations and not delivering a high level service.”

So yes more than once by your own admission. You may think they did it “… because of not meeting expectations…” but it could very likely be other reasons. It is more than possible to be blacklisted just through texting

 

[altay]

Before I start, I wanna say I do appreciate you putting out reviews, as I believe good reviews helps both providers and clients to navigate all of this. Though, I do have to say.

I don’t understand what is your issue against feminism, you are a customer to an industry that is ran by women, especially in Victoria, idk who runs IF but afaik both VC and SVIP are women owned business. Women fought hard to get to where they are today with regard of social issues and equality over decades. Why would women want to see you when you clearly hate the one thing that has helped them getting equal rights and treatment from the society? Because you got cash? This is Victoria, everybody fucks got cash. You are buying their time not their self respect and dignity. These are people. Just because they are sex workers doesn’t mean they aren’t proud women who will just take every shit men throw at them. You openly talk about pushing provider’s boundaries and is proud of it. You turn people into numbers, and I doubt any women find that attractive. You are paying for a woman’s time, not renting a sex doll with a pulse to fulfill all your fantasy. Having boundaries and has a say in how their business is ran isn’t toxic feminism. That’s just called a human asking for respect from another if you’d like their company. You are right, if one person no see list you that’s a whatever reason, but in this case you are the common denominator here.

You can’t just “acknowledge” your masculinity being toxic and then turns around and say it’s a hat put on you by women. That’s not acknowledging it is called excuses and denial. And just because you don’t show it in your external expression all the time doesn’t mean they can’t get the vibe off you. And guess what, what you write down on PERB is part of your external expression and I think these providers do see these reviews. If you act all polite and gentle and turn around airing all the details on the internet, and act like you are the next Susan E James wanna be. All they see is a hypocrite. The facade will not work if they know what kind of person you are, you can’t just say I’m only a Nazi at work and I’m nice to my kids and wife at home. But guess what, end of the day the guy is still a Nazi.

Lastly, being fit and not old has nothing to do with being a good customer. That’s ableist and ageist. Respect and hygiene makes good customer, end of the day it’s a job for these women.

I hope what I said helps clarifying some things others have said. Best luck with your reflection and have a good day.

I am a true feminist, I like women who like men ahaha, however, there is false flag feminism I am against, that's it. I won't go into definitions and details. This is enough said.

Toxic masculinity is as per worrior feminists and not necessarily true as per normal women, please read attentively. There is no contradiction between being a masculinist and an old school gentleman(=doing and being responsible) and being appreciated by toxic feminists as a toxic masculinist.

The thing is that awaken and voke agenda is clashing here and that's inevitable in such discussions.

Hygiene is superb, don't worry about it.
Being young and fit is important. Ask women, who are not toxic feminists and show them photos of old and not fit and young and fit and see whom they like, I am afraid the reality will surprise you man. Also, to complicate this equation, introduce rich and successful as another variable and you would discover lots of interesting things about what women are looking for in men.

 

[altay]

Not to gang up by any means but you did say

“Others blacklisted me virtually even before seeing me=scared of not meeting the expectations and not delivering a high level service.”

So yes more than once by your own admission. You may think they did it “… because of not meeting expectations…” but it could very likely be other reasons. It is more than possible to be blacklisted just through texting

And that's misogynistic? Wow. Well ok. I don't have anymore comment. Two virtually put me on no see list via agencies with the exact statement : " not being able to meet high expectations" this is not my definition, I am stating mot en mot

 

[Ahex92]

And that's misogynistic? Wow. Well ok. I don't have anymore comment. Two virtually put me on no see list via agencies with the exact statement : " not being able to meet high expectations" this is not my definition, I am stating mot en mot

You literally say almost every post that you’re a ‘machista masculinist’, while also saying Thank god she wasn’t a feminist. That would be awful. So if you’re not a misogynist then you’re what? An anti-feminist chauvinist? There’s an easier word for that.

 

[altay]

You literally say almost every post that you’re a ‘machista masculinist’, while also saying Thank god she wasn’t a feminist. That would be awful. So if you’re not a misogynist then you’re what? An anti-feminist chauvinist? There’s an easier word for that.

Thank God she was not a (pseudo) feminist and I stand by these words. Again and again.

Being a masculinist and anti-pseudofeminist is a chauvinism and being a psedufeminist aka western feminist is not a chauvinism?
Being an old school gentleman is chauvinism and being a progressist is not?
Being voke is not chauvinism and being awaken is a chauvinism.

You may stop, i see yiur perverted logic. We have a fundamental existential, civilization mismatch. No need to continue this back and forth.

Ahaha u r funny.

This is fantastic, when a man is looking for a real woman and western feminism is a pseduofeminism movement preoccupied with making women to drive a bulldozer. Done discussion. What is a woman and what do most women want on this planet. Answer this question and you will become a true feminist like me. I am not wasting time on your false
voke accusations and misinterps. Done deal. Pass by. You answer the above question and ask thousands of women around the world what they want and then I would talk to you again.

 

[Dubtrub]

You call yourself an old school gentleman who is responsible, yet you refuse to take in anything that anyone has said and refuse to acknowledge that you are the problem. It's not about who's agenda this is. it's about you being a really shitty person and refuse to acknowledge and take responsibility. You got asked to respect a person's boundaries, instead of being a respectful gentleman and oblige. You proudly push them and brag to the whole world about it. Airing out all the intimate details happned between close doors. What part of that make you a gentleman? You think you so "legendary" cuz you see a lot of providers and these dumbass rave you for it. I'm surprised that you still need a proivider consider how many of these retarded slobbiest ride your dick like they are trying to survive on your reviews. You are non but a boundray pushing swine. A true male feminist doesn't tell women what to do, doesn't tell woman what feminism is. I'm surprised PEERS victoria hasn't made you their official PR ambassador yet if you are such a perfect client and feminist. It's about being repsectful to their needs and wishes instead of mansplaning what they need. That's the definition of narrciscism and ignorance. You are there to pay for their service and nothing more. Take a step back and see things from their side. It's like they tell you what not to do, but all you can come up is defense and saying I'm right. I wonder why you would mention such a word as reflection at all cuz you clearly have no intention of doing so. Maybe it's a good thing. Cuz everytime, everytime us clients wants to have some fun, ignorant tricks like you ruins it. I hope more place blacklist you so I don't walk into an appointment to see a provider who's gotten into a bad mood cuz a dumb trick like you can't act like a civliized human being. JFC grow up.

I would say stooping to his level will not get the response you are hoping for. He is allowed his opinion, misguided as it may be, but name calling IMO is never the way to help someone see what they need to. The more air time he gets the happier he is. I say let it lie, he's been no zoned and most of us know why. Keep being happy and kind. Let your actions do the speaking for you ❤
And mad respect to the ladies who made the stand to block him!!

 

[Forum mod]

That's quite enough of this. Here's a thought. If basically all of the agencies in town don't want you as a client, it's highly unlikely the problem is with them. The ladies share information. You clearly offended/pushed boundaries with one provider, cloaking your behavior under seeking quality service. That's most likely code for you tried to kiss her or demand something else when she didn't provide that or similar disrespect. Any rational person would examine what took place and seek to improve, not simply blame those who are standing up for themselves and label those who support the ladies rights to see who they want as woke. If you were smart, you'd delete the thread and self reflect. If you don't, it will stay up as an example to guys of how not to behave.