The tent removal on Hastings

[masterpoonhunter]

Doom filled rant/
Societal decay.
Runaway homelessness in all major centers and many smaller ones.
Stranger attacks.
Racist fuckheads spewing their shit and laying out their cowardly attacks.
Fucking Stabbings on Vancouver Buses. Jesus fucking christ!
If we had equivalent guns here as in the You Es of A we'd have mass shootings as well it seems.
Corruption and collusion throughout the leadership ranks, no matter, government, political, corporate.
Back in '70 Alvin Toffler wrote Future Shock. He forecast a lot of this. One of his key premises was that information would become more voluminous than normal humans could process and that would lead to mental struggles if not full on mental health issues. Maybe the cause, certainly a contributor. But there is no doubt in my mind we are in a world wide society breakdown phase. Glad my kids are older now and somewhat established. Anyone having kids now really has to think about the world they will be bringing their kids up in.
/end rant
But as a PS, We need a set of strong minded leaders to address the sociological issues, not form committees, take real action. If it takes money so be it but fix it.

 

[westwoody]

Always easy to spot the silver spoon trust fund crowd in threads like this.

All mouth, no knowledge.

The homeless just need to get a job and buy a house!

 

[licks2nite]

The job needs to come home from Asia. Homeless only ones not living off government largesse. A nation of retailers, hardly anything more than sales agents for foreign corporations. Consumers expecting government to keep value of dollar up and dependable abroad. The silver spoon in the mouth of virtually everyone in Canada.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Guess there is a reason for this
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/...-world-cats-butt-and-we-cant-unsee-it-3525694

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

This would be a much better solution, there should be enough vacant land available to make this possible, so much better than living on the city sidewalks

 

[licks2nite]

If I were an activist amongst the homeless, I think I'd take these people out to the old Riverview Hospital grounds in Coquitlam to camp. Maybe someone would unlock a door and let them come in out of the rain.

 

[Wakeup]

There is something happening at Riverview, not sure what but vehicles around, lights on, went by yesterday. Building looks pretty good.

 

[tigger99]

A possible movie shoot?

 

[Verb]

All I can say is that if people need help and want help, there is programs that are there to assist.

People that are homeless and needs shelter has options.

Problem with this is that most of the tent city residence are on drugs and cannot clearly think things through or does not want to change.

At what point does the city steps in and say, drugs are illegal. Drug dealers are being put away. Not just arrested and release. Make drugs scarce and any of the tent city commits crime to aid their drug problem, slap the book on them. You hope the time spent in prison will give them time for clarity.

No joke, it’s not okay driving to the aquarium with the kids to pass this part of time and witnessing injections, public defacement, and public intoxication.

Gotta get tougher for benefits to be applied properly. Cannot keep giving addicts funds to KEEP purchasing narcotics to feed the need.

 

[Wakeup]

I see they have moved to waterfront just east of the Heliport, way better views i would think, people need support and help

 

[westwoody]

All I can say is that if people need help and want help, there is programs that are there to assist.

Nope.
I can give examples of Winnipeg and Vancouver is far worse.
There are waiting lists from six months to years for treatment.
Shelters are often over capacity. Affordable housing, waiting lists in the same time frame as treatment.
Mental illness? One of my old schoolmates is a shrink and is often the only emergency shrink on duty in all of Winnipeg. Not much hope of getting gelp in a crisis situation here.

 

[susi]

there are no beds, no treatment spaces....there are none....unless you want your tax dollars to pay for profit groups like "Last Door" who are the ones stoking the misinformation...why? so the government will pay them, last door, $15,700.00 per month per person, for 12 step treatment which might work for around 10%...so you tell me?

do you want to pay last door, $15K per person, per month?

That's $45 million a month....from your taxes..... for the 3000 unhoused people in Vancouver - the city only - alone.....

this is their goal by promoting all the divisive and poor bashing shiiiite.....they want to make money....

and poor, unhoused, people who use drugs and/or are facing mental health challenges are their inventory....

I really wish people could understand that those people pushing this idea of "involuntary treatment" actually don't give a shit, about poor people, about drug users, about public safety....

people like these are the ones who have created this situation...

Remeber, Last Door "counsellors" are being investigated for sexual exploitation of women in their program and also used people in treatment as free labor to campaign door to door for Shirley Bond - BC United....

so, sure...let's see how far 45 million a month gets us in a failed treatment model...or....
let's actually build the damn housing and base the treatment on models which are successful

love susie
LAST DOOR FEES


$500.00 a day....we could put them all in the Fairmont at that price....

 

[angry anderson]

there are no beds, no treatment spaces....there are none....unless you want your tax dollars to pay for profit groups like "Last Door" who are the ones stoking the misinformation...why? so the government will pay them, last door, $15,700.00 per month per person, for 12 step treatment which might work for around 10%...so you tell me?

do you want to pay last door, $15K per person, per month?

That's $45 million a month....from your taxes..... for the 3000 unhoused people in Vancouver - the city only - alone.....

this is their goal by promoting all the divisive and poor bashing shiiiite.....they want to make money....

and poor, unhoused, people who use drugs and/or are facing mental health challenges are their inventory....

I really wish people could understand that those people pushing this idea of "involuntary treatment" actually don't give a shit, about poor people, about drug users, about public safety....

people like these are the ones who have created this situation...

Remeber, Last Door "counsellors" are being investigated for sexual exploitation of women in their program and also used people in treatment as free labor to campaign door to door for Shirley Bond - BC United....

so, sure...let's see how far 45 million a month gets us in a failed treatment model...or....
let's actually build the damn housing and base the treatment on models which are successful

love susie
LAST DOOR FEES


$500.00 a day....we could put them all in the Fairmont at that price....

"people like these are the ones who have created this situation..."
Agreed. The system we have in place around the world created the situation we have around the world. Mayhem created by sociopathic people running psychopathic governments.
Not so much as asleep at the wheel, but more like determinedly driving us all off a cliff.

 

[westwoody]

Mayhem created by sociopathic people running psychopathic governments

My mom used to rant about the inmates there having a colour tv.
The socreds made it look like Riverview was some sort of holiday resort just to get votes.
So all the residents got kicked out, and the same assholes who bitched about them living in Riverview were now bitching about them being on the streets.

 

[Cock Throppled]

The city gave up on me and my businesses a long time ago, so I gave up on the city in 2019. I closed, or sold my businesses, sold my home and moved to south of Langley. I have a nicer home for less money, with some land, there are as many services nearby, it's peaceful, and there are fewer crazy, homeless addicts (so far). Downtown Langley is another story, but it's still light years ahead of downtown Vancouver.

Vancouver's slide began with ignoring the little things until everything was covered in graffiti, buildings went unmaintained, garbage piled up in lanes, the addicts were allowed to shoot up anywhere with impunity, and then "harm reduction" began. Free shooting galleries, more money for activists ( sriously, a lobby group of drug users, that gets the ear of city hall?), and do-gooders dictate how ineffective policing should get, and guess what, everything got worse, overdoses keep climbing, and the schmucks still living in the city, and trying to run businesses, get nailed with more taxes, while the unproductive "takers and users" get to continue to leech off the rest.

I don't feel the need to go into the city any more unless I have to, and that doesn't include going to clubs, shows, concerts, or stores. If I spend big now, it's on suburban stores and SP's or travel.

 

[angry anderson]

My mom used to rant about the inmates there having a colour tv.
The socreds made it look like Riverview was some sort of holiday resort just to get votes.
So all the residents got kicked out, and the same assholes who bitched about them living in Riverview were now bitching about them being on the streets.

How you connect my statement as to having anything to do with Riverview is beyond me.

 

[tigger99]

there are no beds, no treatment spaces....there are none....unless you want your tax dollars to pay for profit groups like "Last Door" who are the ones stoking the misinformation...why? so the government will pay them, last door, $15,700.00 per month per person, for 12 step treatment which might work for around 10%...so you tell me?

do you want to pay last door, $15K per person, per month?

That's $45 million a month....from your taxes..... for the 3000 unhoused people in Vancouver - the city only - alone.....

this is their goal by promoting all the divisive and poor bashing shiiiite.....they want to make money....

and poor, unhoused, people who use drugs and/or are facing mental health challenges are their inventory....

I really wish people could understand that those people pushing this idea of "involuntary treatment" actually don't give a shit, about poor people, about drug users, about public safety....

people like these are the ones who have created this situation...

Remeber, Last Door "counsellors" are being investigated for sexual exploitation of women in their program and also used people in treatment as free labor to campaign door to door for Shirley Bond - BC United....

so, sure...let's see how far 45 million a month gets us in a failed treatment model...or....
let's actually build the damn housing and base the treatment on models which are successful

love susie
LAST DOOR FEES


$500.00 a day....we could put them all in the Fairmont at that price....

Remember hearing a stat about 20 yrs ago that it cost on average a $100k a year to keep someone incarcerated. Hate to think what the costs would be today.

Feel to really assist folks who are in need of mental health and/or recovery support would be substantially more.

Wonder if our “support” system is a acting as a bandaid or is it really trying to deal with the root cause?

 

[westwoody]

How you connect my statement as to having anything to do with Riverview is beyond me.

The sociopath neocons wanted to convince voters that the residents were living lives of luxury at taxpayer expense.

 

[angry anderson]

The sociopath neocons wanted to convince voters that the residents were living lives of luxury at taxpayer expense.

Again. Nothing to do with what I said.

 

[rlock]

The old-time asylums were very brutal institutions. Too many dark episodes of people bring scooped up, declared mentally unfit, and subjected to horrible abuses.
Many people welcomed the "treat at home" model as more gentle and progressive option for most patients at the time Riverview was closed, though that may have been opportunistic too for those wanting budget cuts.

They claimed that monitoring and medicating more voluntarily could fill the gap, but that effort fell way short - again due in part to budgetary neglect. Partly also due to psychiatric hubris, and courts overly concerned with protecting them from judgement (ironic, huh?).

However, the fact remains that some people are out on the streets today who simply cannot be around other people without harming them, or harming themselves.

Then add addiction to that mix: an acquired "mental illness" that is done to people deliberately in order to exploit them. Whenever I hear of people concerned about preserving the "freedom" of the addict, it seems absurd.

Addicts are by definition not free - they are chemically coerced to seek drugs even to the point of knowing that it will cost their lives and doing it anyway. They scavenge wealth by any means fair or foul, to hand over to someone else - the dealers, who know very well how much harm they are causing. The addicts do not "benefit" from roaming free and in all likelihood will die prematurely as a result.

So the concerns expressed by activists over authorities stepping in to control the lives of the afflicted lives is moot. More like a question of "Who do you want controlling them?" The authorities trying to treat their mental illnesses, and break their addiction, so they can regain their health & autonomy - or callous criminals who will simply keep them chemically enslaved, and exploit them until they're dead?