Man, pooning has become difficult these days. From various forms of deposits to, at times, invasive background checks, the days of mutual trust appear to be gone. Personally, I have never not shown up for an appointment. At times, I probably should have given bait and switch photos. In fact, one time a provider showed up not very clean looking, with a combination odor of cigarettes and funk, didn’t look anything like her photos yet I gave her her donation and sent her on her way without accepting any services. With the recent requirement/request for deposits, I asked one girl if anyone ever bailed on her/been a no show prior to her days of requesting a deposit; she said no. It‘s become challenging meeting new providers given that one only accepts one company’s form of deposit and the other requires another. I guess I should be grateful that I still have a couple of long lasting relations with girls who don’t make me jump through hoops to see them. Furthermore, I’ve had more than a few providers not show up, so I’m saddened how a fun event is becoming kind of a hassle. Sorry for the rant.
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Couple of things, one is that deposit conversations have been done to death here. Second, if they go too far, they quickly get shut down as we don't allow discussion of pricing on the board. Your post is fairly general, so let's see if it can stay within the boundaries. If not, it will get closed down fast.
Just a tip, the ladies really don't like being questioned about deposits or anything else regarding how they run their business. Deposits exist because some guys are shitheads and even some ladies war with each other by making fake bookings. You may be the client of the year, but you are one guy out of thousands, many of whom don't have your ethos or good behavior. Blame the guys and the fakers, not the ladies. They are doing what they can to run their business. I have seen posts and tweets where an entire day of pre-booked appointments no showed for a lady, she started asking for deposits thereafter, you cannot blame her for making the change.
Read twitter, see the utter nonsense that ladies deal with, including even their regulars occasionally screwing them over with last minute cancellations, or other issues. Deposits ensure that they at least get some compensation upfront. As always, if you don't like it, then don't try to see her, go see someone else who doesn't have the same rules. Complaining about it or asking her to break her own rules is a great way to get denied service or even blacklisted.
Just a tip, the ladies really don't like being questioned about deposits or anything else regarding how they run their business. Deposits exist because some guys are shitheads and even some ladies war with each other by making fake bookings. You may be the client of the year, but you are one guy out of thousands, many of whom don't have your ethos or good behavior. Blame the guys and the fakers, not the ladies. They are doing what they can to run their business. I have seen posts and tweets where an entire day of pre-booked appointments no showed for a lady, she started asking for deposits thereafter, you cannot blame her for making the change.
Read twitter, see the utter nonsense that ladies deal with, including even their regulars occasionally screwing them over with last minute cancellations, or other issues. Deposits ensure that they at least get some compensation upfront. As always, if you don't like it, then don't try to see her, go see someone else who doesn't have the same rules. Complaining about it or asking her to break her own rules is a great way to get denied service or even blacklisted.
I never have anyone I don’t know come to my home so no need to worry about who/what shows up.
Back when I was living in Asia, requests for deposits were rare but were also 100% scams.
So when I moved to Australia I was a bit shocked the first time I received a deposit request. I was a member of an Australian review board so I searched on the topic and found it was thoroughly discussed (like here I guess). The requirement for deposits is becoming a lot more common with reliable providers, so it can be a bit of a challenge considering there are a lot of scammers still out there.
I've been paying deposits when required since 2018 and to date I have not been scammed (had a few disappointing encounters but that's not the same thing).
The secret is to put some effort into researching providers to minimize the risk. If you discover a provider you have not seen before then search here for reviews to see if she is reliable.
Follow her on social media for a while so you can get an idea of her character and whether you'd be a good match. That will give you an idea of whether you will have a good time with the provider and your money will be well spent. (There have been plenty of providers who I decided not to see after discovering they were insufferable on social media).
Basically stop letting the little head do the thinking for you and you won't succumb to the scammer of the day on LL.
So when I moved to Australia I was a bit shocked the first time I received a deposit request. I was a member of an Australian review board so I searched on the topic and found it was thoroughly discussed (like here I guess). The requirement for deposits is becoming a lot more common with reliable providers, so it can be a bit of a challenge considering there are a lot of scammers still out there.
I've been paying deposits when required since 2018 and to date I have not been scammed (had a few disappointing encounters but that's not the same thing).
The secret is to put some effort into researching providers to minimize the risk. If you discover a provider you have not seen before then search here for reviews to see if she is reliable.
Follow her on social media for a while so you can get an idea of her character and whether you'd be a good match. That will give you an idea of whether you will have a good time with the provider and your money will be well spent. (There have been plenty of providers who I decided not to see after discovering they were insufferable on social media).
Basically stop letting the little head do the thinking for you and you won't succumb to the scammer of the day on LL.
Well said. A deposit to a reputable lady, for a pre-booked appointment with an online presence, website, reviews, twitter account and the like is one thing, very likely 100% legit. A random unknown provider posting on LL at 2am that says party friendly is setting money on fire.
I'm pretty sure your definition of "mutual trust" is "providers not having industry standard ways of ensuring their safety". So many guys expect me to provide photos of myself, my address, access to my body, loads of information about me, and with what in return? An app number and a promise not to kill or r*pe me? Yeah no thank you. It's disgusting how many men's taste is desperate women. You don't want mutual trust, you want EVERYTHING from us and NOTHING from you.
Two retired ladies I consider friends have had really serious assaults. That’s in a approx ten year career.
I gave been pooning for over 40 years and never been assaulted.
Losing a few bucks vs life threatening injury?
The risks are not comparable.
I gave been pooning for over 40 years and never been assaulted.
Losing a few bucks vs life threatening injury?
The risks are not comparable.
Deposits aren't a crazy concept. I pay deposits on nails, hair, videos, photos, training sessions at the gym, etc. I don't complain because I understand time is money. I've had days where all appointments were just canceled. But, ever since I have been slowly introducing deposits that does not happen anymore. I feel a lot of clients have no idea what we deal with on the daily.
They know. They just don’t care, and they don’t see us as a legitimate business. Not the kinds of clients we want anyways
The best tweets are screenshots of guys throwing tantrums over deposits.
Him: omg you are so beautiful I love you
Her: ok send me deposit
Him: you’re ugly and I hate you
Him: omg you are so beautiful I love you
Her: ok send me deposit
Him: you’re ugly and I hate you
I am in complete agreement that anyone has the right to ask for a deposit, and I completely understand the reasons why. But I refuse simply due to the fact that it leaves a digital trail, one that can be found by anyone that may have, or or can gain authority, to snoop around. Frankly, I'm shocked there are so many that let their little head do the thinking for them in this regard. It is legal to sell, it is illegal to buy.
You have misinterpreted my statement. Fwiw, when I was a university student, I was a driver for a service. I am extremely sensitive to provider safety. Moreover, I practically begged an indy regular that I have known for 10+ years to be more careful about her screening methods, it fell on deaf ears until she had a very bad experience.
All valid points. There was someone I wanted to see recently, so I conducted my due diligence (social media, reviews, saw her ads on multiple platforms; she’s clearly a reputable provider), however not a mention of a deposit existed anywhere until we tried to solidify an appointment (providing my references checked out). Fair enough, I was willing to comply with her requests. In my 20 years of visiting providers, this was the first experience I’ve had with a provider requesting a deposit, apparently it’s becoming the norm. Simmer down, everyone. My intent was not nastiness or lack of care, it’s an observation. Case closed, please.
“I’ve had a couple bad experiences and I don’t want to jump through hoops to make providers feel safe but I’m also a good guy who has told providers to be more diligent with their screening also I was a driver so I know what I’m talking about now stop calling out my hypocrisy the end” oh my god please shut up lol
Overall, I think it very positive that escort work is moving in the direction of being run like a business much like any other service. All businesses engage in what is broadly referred to as risk management. In reading through responses from the ladies over the years, the biggest risks include safety (various related health risks), no shows (financial risk) and privacy (relationships and being outed type risks). Customers may be concerned about privacy risks (keeping their participation secret) and financial risks (being ripped off in some way). It is important to recognize the risks each party faces and to understand how to mitigate risks to as great extent as possible. Deposits are a way to mitigate the financial risk ladies face.
Gentlemen will likely have to recognize that to participate in "the hobby" may require giving up more personal information (taking on some risk) than in the past to reduce the safety and economic risk borne by the women, as Charlie has pointed out. I find this interesting enjoy reading the various perspectives as, at the end of day, it takes to to tango.
Gentlemen will likely have to recognize that to participate in "the hobby" may require giving up more personal information (taking on some risk) than in the past to reduce the safety and economic risk borne by the women, as Charlie has pointed out. I find this interesting enjoy reading the various perspectives as, at the end of day, it takes to to tango.
I thought the idea was sex for money. So you are getting something from the men you see.
Yes there are photos of you (advertising), yes you give out your work address, Yes there is access to your body (sex), and information is out there about you (on Perb).
As for general safety don't make appointments with app number, most guys when booking won't promise "not to kill or rape" (you are ranting here); if you are having these conversations then you might be desperate. I don't think you are desperate, just ranting.
Although I think most fake bookings are from other SP, trying to eliminate competition. Cutthroat business practice, says something about the ethics of some people/SP. Not you Charlie.
The idea of a deposit eliminated most "time wasters" and cuts to making a booking that will show up. Once a SP knows you (return customer) deposits should no longer be required. Although I have seen SP advertised that if you miss a appointment, its back to deposits. Just bring a bigger tip next time. John's have emergencies too.
Deposit if required should be advertised beforehand. Just like SP don't like surprises, someone booking an SP should have no surprises. My personal peeve is upselling, it just breaks the mood....
As above I don't like deposits because it can be tracked electronically. Not just for the guy, but for the lady and tax purposes.
I'm just going to point out that most ladies will accept gift cards from Amazon which can be bought offline with cash. Large cash amounts can be written off as a crippling gambling or alcohol habit. Smaller amounts can be written off as generosity towards service staff. There's no tracking then beyond the means of communication you've ready established with the lady.
Also, how much are you spending on SP's that the cumulative deposit amount of your pooning could trigger flags at a bank for tax purposes?
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