"Vancouver is Dying"....the most damning documentary about DTES issues.

[angry anderson]

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

BC government to provide $100 million for new Vancouver Art Gallery | Urbanized (dailyhive.com)

 

[kd75]

Every side has the same policy: feign concern but do nothing.

Then theres no real side isn't it? If their agenda is for both to do nothing, how are they different? At least for this issue.

 

[blakealridge]

This doc was funded by the alt-right pro-cop group funded by that Chip Wilson asshole it’s soooooooo biased and bullshit

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

"lefty policy"

Two Words: Harm Reduction

.....that's it, just "Harm Reduction"..... No Recovery, No Prevention, No Enforcement.... Just Harm Reduction.

So what I'm referring to is the Four Pillar approach to solving street issues. Each pillar is self explanatory in principle, however "leftist policy" says otherwise.

Prevention... They don't like simple slogans like "Don't do Drugs" being propagandized to children. Why? Because drugs are bad, so the person doing the drugs are bad people. Which then falls under the notion of "Anti-Stigma", which doesn't help an addict recover when they themselves realizes what a piece of shit they are. Despite the fact that every society ever has been built on identifying the hazards to an individual's well being, we take the idea of drug abuse as a cautionary tale to protect ourselves. Now it's being taught that drugs are "GOOD"? A normalized way of life?....So nevermind heading off impressionable people at the start, operate under the notion that you're going to do drugs just like you're going to eat a Big Mac?... crazy logic there.

Harm Reduction... with no clear path to recovery (because recovery is evil), Harm Reduction is Genocide.... Yes, it keeps people from dying, but then what? Recovery is evil, it's not promoted in any social organization. They think safe supply is helpful (without reading the fine print on how the Portugal program actually works). They stick addicts in a rut, fill it with free drugs, free Narc, free needles,...everything to keep their habit going, but never stopping.....until they die....that's the big plan. That's the end result of leftist policy.

Recovery... According to the left regardless, Recovery is "fascism". A person should make the choice to recover on their own....which is stupid, since they're advocating for people who can't think for themselves, much less be self-aware of their own situation. Especially when they fall back on how certain laws where written specifically for teenage girls seeking autonomy when asking for birth control, advocates and addicts are abusing that law so addicts and continue their habit.

And when all else fails, we are supposed to have Enforcement. ...."Defund the Police" movement is the pinnacle of leftist policies, and you look up the news from any Blue State in the US, and they'll tell you how utterly retarded the results have been since. Chicago is literally a dumpster fire. Normal people are fleeing California. Portland is a write-off. .... Enforcement is need when all three above fail. Some people are just never meant to blend in with society, it's just that simple.

TLDR:
Prevention = Stigma
Recovery = Fascism
Enforcement = ACAB, Defund the Police.
Harm Reduction = Enabling...until they die.

this is leftist policy

 

[kd75]

Two Words: Harm Reduction

.....that's it, just "Harm Reduction"..... No Recovery, No Prevention, No Enforcement.... Just Harm Reduction.

So what I'm referring to is the Four Pillar approach to solving street issues. Each pillar is self explanatory in principle, however "leftist policy" says otherwise.

Prevention... They don't like simple slogans like "Don't do Drugs" being propagandized to children. Why? Because drugs are bad, so the person doing the drugs are bad people. Which then falls under the notion of "Anti-Stigma", which doesn't help an addict recover when they themselves realizes what a piece of shit they are. Despite the fact that every society ever has been built on identifying the hazards to an individual's well being, we take the idea of drug abuse as a cautionary tale to protect ourselves. Now it's being taught that drugs are "GOOD"? A normalized way of life?....So nevermind heading off impressionable people at the start, operate under the notion that you're going to do drugs just like you're going to eat a Big Mac?... crazy logic there.

Harm Reduction... with no clear path to recovery (because recovery is evil), Harm Reduction is Genocide.... Yes, it keeps people from dying, but then what? Recovery is evil, it's not promoted in any social organization. They think safe supply is helpful (without reading the fine print on how the Portugal program actually works). They stick addicts in a rut, fill it with free drugs, free Narc, free needles,...everything to keep their habit going, but never stopping.....until they die....that's the big plan. That's the end result of leftist policy.

Recovery... According to the left regardless, Recovery is "fascism". A person should make the choice to recover on their own....which is stupid, since they're advocating for people who can't think for themselves, much less be self-aware of their own situation. Especially when they fall back on how certain laws where written specifically for teenage girls seeking autonomy when asking for birth control, advocates and addicts are abusing that law so addicts and continue their habit.

And when all else fails, we are supposed to have Enforcement. ...."Defund the Police" movement is the pinnacle of leftist policies, and you look up the news from any Blue State in the US, and they'll tell you how utterly retarded the results have been since. Chicago is literally a dumpster fire. Normal people are fleeing California. Portland is a write-off. .... Enforcement is need when all three above fail. Some people are just never meant to blend in with society, it's just that simple.

TLDR:
Prevention = Stigma
Recovery = Fascism
Enforcement = ACAB, Defund the Police.
Harm Reduction = Enabling...until they die.

this is leftist policy

My friend you seem to confuse a lot of things and lump people into categories, you keep saying " they", but what you call lefty is not 1 group of people. You should be more precise ( which political party or group...). Moreover it seems like most of the things you say are vague stuff that you heard second handed, for example " recovery is fascist" I have no idea where you got that from, but would love for you to point me to which political organization ( not individuals remember we're talking policy) has states such.
Now do you realize that we live in Canada and are talking about Vancouver BC not WA right? Because 1st I have not heard any Canadian party calling for defunding the police ( point it out if i'm wrong). Second you clearly have no idea what people mean when they say defund the police and moreover no police forces in the US have been "defunded" by a party ( please provide evidence if i'm wrong) You seem to be confusing a lot of different things, jumping from topics without making proper links, you talk about evil, genocide...
"Some people are just never meant to blend in with society, it's just that simple"
Says who? Lol you I guess...? ( careful thats a sliperry slope).
Anyways, it seems to me that you just call everything that you don't like or disagree with" lefty".

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

" recovery is fascist"

When you speak to many advocates, they allude that notion very quickly.

I have not heard any Canadian party calling for defunding the police

Kennedy Stewart himself. He was on that bandwagon all along. Policing budget is done at a municipal level, and Stewart was the one cutting. You also have David Eby, former attorney general of BC, founder of BC Housing, admitted activist politician, and now front-runner in the NDP to become our new Premier,.. who openly refuse to exercise all venues of law enforcement as AG, because he drank the Kool-Aid believing criminals need treatment more that separating them for society's protection. Now that Rankin is in that chair, he's towing Eby's line and saying the same thing....All because these morons read Twitter trends from the states to begin with, and I'm just saying "look how well that turn out over there".

You seem to be confusing a lot of different things, jumping from topics without making proper links.

Not confusing anything, leftist ideology applying to the Four Pillar Approach is pretty accurate, doesn't matter if I was jumping to places across the border, it didn't work there, it's not working here.

 

[kd75]

When you speak to many advocates, they allude that notion very quickly.



Kennedy Stewart himself. He was on that bandwagon all along. Policing budget is done at a municipal level, and Stewart was the one cutting. You also have David Eby, former attorney general of BC, founder of BC Housing, admitted activist politician, and now front-runner in the NDP to become our new Premier,.. who openly refuse to exercise all venues of law enforcement as AG, because he drank the Kool-Aid believing criminals need treatment more that separating them for society's protection. Now that Rankin is in that chair, he's towing Eby's line and saying the same thing....All because these morons read Twitter trends from the states to begin with, and I'm just saying "look how well that turn out over there".



Not confusing anything, leftist ideology applying to the Four Pillar Approach is pretty accurate, doesn't matter if I was jumping to places across the border, it didn't work there, it's not working here.

You have to stop saying "lefty ideology" again the left is not one group.thats where your main confusion is. It is pretty accurate for whom? Because I know these pilars have studied some of them, never heard of genocide, or fascism...
Some peole on the left may say something that some others disagree with thats why i was asking for specific parties. For example I'm on the left but have nothing to do with the NDP (if you consider them left which i don't).
"leftist ideology applying to the Four Pillar Approach is pretty accurate" says who? You...? Because i have studied some of them and i have never heard of genocide, fascism or that drugs are good. Moreover you literally said that the plan of the so call left was to kill these people... I'm sorry but just with that it disqualifies everything you're going to say next. I don't dwell in conspiracy theories. On this note i'm going to stop answering to you because its obviously pointless. You clearly have issues ( you call addicts piece of shit, insult other people, and get too close to eugenics for me).
Good luck with your white rage cause you're going to need some apparently.

 

[kd75]

Harm reduction clearly does not work. People keep dying, the homeless population increases and tent cities are everywhere. I am not an expert, but the definition of insanity is to do the same thing the same way and expect different results. That's an Einstein quote, not my wisdom. If the current plan has created this mess, you need a new plan to get out of it. Some people are complaining about Sim winning your mayor's race, but at least there's a chance that something different will be tried. Stewart made the problem worse, not better, it's been steadily getting much worse in the past 3-4 years.

An Einstein quote is not a definition of a word... You mean harm reduction the way it has been implemented does not work. There several different ways to implement a policy, does not mean the policy itself is problematic... The problem won't be resolved by liberals that's a given

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

You have to stop saying "lefty ideology" again the left is not one group.thats where your main confusion is. It is pretty accurate for whom? Because I know these pilars have studied some of them, never heard of genocide, or fascism...
Some peole on the left may say something that some others disagree with thats why i was asking for specific parties. For example I'm on the left but have nothing to do with the NDP (if you consider them left which i don't).
"leftist ideology applying to the Four Pillar Approach is pretty accurate" says who? You...? Because i have studied some of them and i have never heard of genocide, fascism or that drugs are good. Moreover you literally said that the plan of the so call left was to kill these people... I'm sorry but just with that it disqualifies everything you're going to say next. I don't dwell in conspiracy theories. On this note i'm going to stop answering to you because its obviously pointless. You clearly have issues ( you call addicts piece of shit, insult other people, and get too close to eugenics for me).
Good luck with your white rage cause you're going to need some apparently.

Yeah thanks for playing... but understand whatever information you rely on is largely due to self-reporting anecdotal research reported through a bias lens already.

"Because i have studied some of them and i have never heard of genocide, fascism or that drugs are good"

Because you chose to read the pamphlets, and not listen to the people.

"Harm Reduction is Genocide" comes from the camp of addicts who believe there is no hope for them because they ask for help, but no help is given or even offered. Sometimes because there is no treatment available, sometime they are convinced to stay and have their head counted in a survey to sell to the government for more money later.....until they die.

"Fascism" is a phrase another camp of addicts will use to justify why they shouldn't get clean, when the system only enables their usage.

"Drugs are Good", as opposed to "drug are bad, and those taking drugs are a shitty person and they deserve to overdose and die off? guilt and shame, guilt and shame, until you die (*or so they think that is how it goes, which is a crock).....Yeah, there has been a push to normalize drug use so the addicts don't feel so bad about themselves, why do you think BC decriminalized hard drugs at 2grams? Who's that for? Think of all the opportunities for some kid to go experimenting?

But sure, continue to live in la-la land there bud...

"White Rage".....weird flex, isn't the new Mayor Asian?....

 

[Drjohn]

This doc was funded by the alt-right pro-cop group funded by that Chip Wilson asshole it’s soooooooo biased and bullshit

This doc was funded by the alt-right pro-cop group funded by that Chip Wilson asshole it’s soooooooo biased and bullshit

Yes, who needs law and order when you can go downtown anytime you want and be randomly assaulted by some drugged up idiot. The same drugged up idiot who assaulted someone the week before but got released because it's really society's fault after all.

 

[kd75]

Yes, who needs law and order when you can go downtown anytime you want and be randomly assaulted by some drugged up idiot. The same drugged up idiot who assaulted someone the week before but got released because it's really society's fault after all.

Law and order is not a solution, It has been proven time and time again. The US has 25% of the world's inmates and is the only western democracy which still applies the death penalty yet their streets are not safer and they keep incarcerating people at high rates. Law and order does not deter crime any respectable Criminologist who has researched and written about the subject would tell you that.

 

[Drjohn]

Law and order is not a solution, It has been proven time and time again. The US has 25% of the world's inmates and is the only western democracy which still applies the death penalty yet their streets are not safer and they keep incarcerating people at high rates. Law and order does not deter crime any respectable Criminologist who has researched and written about the subject would tell you that.

"Law and order is not a solution".
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
What's your solution? Should we start by letting all the robbers, rapists and murderers out of prison?
Maybe we don't even need laws. It could just be an honor system. If you get caught robbing a bank or stealing a car, you could just say you were sorry and go on your merry way. No rules!
I don't know what planet you're on, but it seems like a pretty cool place.

 

[kd75]

"Law and order is not a solution".
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
What's your solution? Should we start by letting all the robbers, rapists and murderers out of prison?
Maybe we don't even need laws. It could just be an honor system. If you get caught robbing a bank or stealing a car, you could just say you were sorry and go on your merry way. No rules!
I don't know what planet you're on, but it seems like a pretty cool place.

Hahaha, all right this one is going to be fun:
Your main argument was to say that law and order is a solution. When you did so, you did not provide any theoretical ( concepts, studies, researches..) or practical framework ( example) to substanciate your main statement. You've only ridiculed others ( which is not an argument). When I have answered to you I provided the a practical framework ( The US in the last 40 years being a great example). Now I suggest you to go read the works of people who have worked on the topic such as Michel Foucault, Jackie Wang, Angela Davis, Marx, Noa Chomsky and others ( this is my theorical framework, I can send you documentation if you wish i'd be happy to).
Now once you have at least substanciated your statement with either framework then I'll answer your question. But don't forget ridiculing, calling names aren't arguments. I'll wait... ( and I'm also waiting for a counter argument on my 1st example).

 

[Drjohn]

Hahaha, all right this one is going to be fun:
Your main argument was to say that law and order is a solution. When you did so, you did not provide any theoretical ( concepts, studies, researches..) or practical framework ( example) to substanciate your main statement. You've only ridiculed others ( which is not an argument). When I have answered to you I provided the a practical framework ( The US in the last 40 years being a great example). Now I suggest you to go read the works of people who have worked on the topic such as Michel Foucault, Jackie Wang, Angela Davis, Marx, Noa Chomsky and others ( this is my theorical framework, I can send you documentation if you wish i'd be happy to).
Now once you have at least substanciated your statement with either framework then I'll answer your question. But don't forget ridiculing, calling names aren't arguments. I'll wait... ( and I'm also waiting for a counter argument on my 1st example).

Foucault- pedophile
Wang- never heard of her
Davis- co-conspirator to murder
Marx- failed political theorist
Chomsky- anti everything

Thanks for the offer of "documentation".
I will pass. I don't have much interest in "theory"

I'm busy living in reality. Working , raising children and paying taxes.

I will the leave the pie in the sky to the fools and the dreamers.

 

[kd75]

"Law and order is not a solution".
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
What's your solution? Should we start by letting all the robbers, rapists and murderers out of prison?
Maybe we don't even need laws. It could just be an honor system. If you get caught robbing a bank or stealing a car, you could just say you were sorry and go on your merry way. No rules!
I don't know what planet you're on, but it seems like a pretty cool place.

Foucault- pedophile
Wang- never heard of her
Davis- co-conspirator to murder
Marx- failed political theorist
Chomsky- anti everything

Thanks for the offer of "documentation".
I will pass. I don't have much interest in "theory"

I'm busy living in reality. Working , raising children and paying taxes.

I will the leave the pie in the sky to the fools and the dreamers.

😂🤣
Again no argument whatsoever. That must be nice to be you. You are always right everybody is wrong when you know nothing about a subject. You just proved my point except insult you can't provide anything, you talk being in tbe real world yet cannot provide any real world example... such a shame to have the argumentative skills of a toddler 😂🤣

 

[Drjohn]

😂🤣
Again no argument whatsoever. That must be nice to be you. You are always right everybody is wrong when you know nothing about a subject. You just proved my point except insult you can't provide anything, you talk being in tbe real world yet cannot provide any real world example... such a shame to have the argumentative skills of a toddler 😂🤣

I wasn't aware that you had presented an argument.

At first I thought that your pseudo intellectual rambling was mildly amusing.

Now I'm just bored by you.

This has been great but I'm going to have to throw in the towel.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[westwoody]

Tell me you’ve never read a book without saying you’ve never read a book.

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

I'm still find it fucking hilarious that the 'other side' of this issue is trying desperately to challenge the authority of those who are speaking, instead of speaking to the arguement.

1+1 = 2
"Yeah, but you're a right wing, pedophile, whatever whatever, blah blah blah..."
"Okay, so 1+1 does not equal 2? Hey you, old homeless junkie guy, what do you think?"
"I think 1-1=zero, which is where I'm at in life. People need to stop with this Harm Reduction crap and force us into Recovery, because we can't see past our own addiction to come to that solution ourselves."
"Fair Enough, makes sense. How about you hippie idiots, can you counter-argue that?"
"Yes, because I went to UBC and SFU at the same time, and live in a studio loft in Gastown; and I know what's best for these people."
"Umm okay,...so does 1+1=2 and 1-1=0?..."
"No, because the person who invented math is a racist homophobe (serious, it's a real argument BLM supporters actually think), and I can't stomach such fascism at all. Blah blah blah..."

 

[marsvolta]

maybe the "problem" is the manufactured "left" AND "right". maybe the problem is the incredible efficiency of tools of manufacturing people with extreme belief systems, through the abolishing of the Fairness Doctrine and social media algorithms that further push people into more and more extreme viewpoints. Extreme view points are usually binary in nature and framed as a fight between good and evil. NOTHING in the natural sciences is binary in nature.

and so, 20 years ago when those who did not have the capacity to lead a "normal" life were "freed" from the hospitals and institutions in which society "committed" them to appropriate care, even against their will... the compassion extremists, libertarians, and anti-taxers all rejoiced. and here we are. those people are on the street in broad view and must finance their lifestyle with crime, often avoiding any treatment at all or unable to access it.

last year i saw on facebook posts supporting the creation of emergency shelters in poor neighbourhoods. someone brought cookies down to one shelter the first day. the next day one of the shelter occupants burned down a nearby business! is forcing people who do not have the wherewithal to support a permanent residence onto the streets compassionate? read this from the CEO of Our Place Society. this organization tries to take care of these people every day.

and yet others yell bloody hell at the concept of safe injection sites. the concept of legalizing heroin to be prescribed by doctors like has been successful in other jurisdictions is also viewed as a danger to the innocent. all people who break the law should simply be in jail. and there is the fear that government will "commit" people for political purposes.

social experiments have shown time and time again that when people of all political stripes come together and discuss important issues face to face that solutions are agreed upon that don't involve politics. but that attitude doesn't motivate people to vote for parties desperate for power. and HATE is such an addictive drug.

 

[se7landrover97]

"Law and order is not a solution".
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
What's your solution? Should we start by letting all the robbers, rapists and murderers out of prison?
Maybe we don't even need laws. It could just be an honor system. If you get caught robbing a bank or stealing a car, you could just say you were sorry and go on your merry way. No rules!
I don't know what planet you're on, but it seems like a pretty cool place.

Yup! Its better to have law and order and properly enforcing them then nothing at all. Men are not angels and need to know that when you do certain things, there are consequences.