"Vancouver is Dying"....the most damning documentary about DTES issues.
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Vancouver has become a cesspool.
You can thank woke progressive politicians from Trudeau to Horgan to Kennedy Stewart.
It's on them and the simple minded fools that voted for them.
The big shame is that none of them will ever be held accountable.
Not going to watch this for the same reason I never read the political threads. It's just full of people pushing their agendas.
What people? What agenda exactly?
There's a full-page article in today's Globe and Mail all about the same disastrous situation that the video decribes. It's clearly not a homeless problem. It's a drug problem and therefore requires very different solutions.
"Doctors have told 64 year-old Mr. Harold Johnson they can't repair the broken bones in his cheeks. They shattered in too many places when a stranger assaulted him. The former firefighter, who has been patrolling Chinatown as a security guard for more than 20 years, also suffered a broken nose, head trauma and an eye injury."
And so it goes on. It gets worse every year. Why?
You're right. I am okay with political threads, but not interested in a sales pitch.
I looked into the presenter: Aaron Gunn. Search his name and he already has an iffy reputation. Maximizing the opportunistic agenda-pushing, definitely. Using this issue to get his hooks in normal people and steer them towards his other more extreme views.
There may be a solid argument to make here, but this guy is definitely not the one to make it. Right now it's just more of this ongoing "culture war" shit between left and right. And that's a shame, since because of that, any of the sensible arguments will die on the vine because of who they are employed to serve.
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Except it is because of leftist policies as to why we are in these messes in the first place. Too many weak-minded people in key positions of power that could make a difference refuse to do so, because of "feelings". Always afraid of making that hard call and to do what is necessary. There's really no way around the "culture war" angle of it all, because the ball has been in the left's court for a while now, and things have gotten progressively worse since. They hold on to their idealism like a cultist drinking too much of their own Kool-Aid. ... Even Eby admitted what an 'activist' he is,...he's playing the 'culture war' game as we speak.
I mean, plug your ear and chant "Biden, Trump, Biden, Trump" all you want....but people who hope don't play that game, are playing that game regardless.
There is always lobbying by police and their unions for ever expanding budgets. This video is all about that. No matter how much money is spent on them, they always see more money as a solution. At what point do taxpayers say we can’t afford to spend more? Or when is more money not solving anything?
“Defund the police” is not about eliminating police, some tasks are better achieved by medical or mental health intervention than police. It is diverting tasks from police to others more appropriate.
More police won’t help. The problem is sick people with nowhere to put them. Offenders get arrested and are back out in hours, more police won’t fix that.
It keeps coming back to the closure of secure custody of mentally ill people.
It would save money in the long term, save policing cost, health care costs, and cost of crimes against persons and property.
“Defund the police” is not about eliminating police, some tasks are better achieved by medical or mental health intervention than police. It is diverting tasks from police to others more appropriate.
More police won’t help. The problem is sick people with nowhere to put them. Offenders get arrested and are back out in hours, more police won’t fix that.
It keeps coming back to the closure of secure custody of mentally ill people.
It would save money in the long term, save policing cost, health care costs, and cost of crimes against persons and property.
Out of the last 25 years right leaning government in BC were in charge 16 years at the provincial level and 9 for the left . Nobody has a leg to stand on on this one issue .
The city doesn't have the tools to take charge or have the jurisdiction to take care of the healthcare and drug dependency.
Everybody say that want or will take care of it but not one government in the last decades really put the money where their mouth is. That's on top of other cities from the western provinces caught buying bus tickets to homeless people and petty criminals one way trips to BC . We would need to take care of more than our share of people with psychological issues and drug problems.
All that crap started or got worst because Paul Martin had to cut in healthcare transfers and other budgets to the provinces in the 90s to avoid insolvency for the country for a debt generated by Trudeau 0.1 that Mulroney tried to rein in but not quite successfully because he didn't want to make the cuts Martin did .
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It is an ongoing farce when politicians of EVERY stripe pass around big ticket items but the end payer is always the taxpayer.
Case in point- stadiums. Winnipeg had an arena built and city politickers said it won’t cost much because the federal and provincial govts would kick in. Well where do the fed and prov get money?
FFS we had a mayor walk away after robbing the city blind and putting hundreds of millions in the pockets of his cronies.
ZERO consequences.
And he was as right wing pro biz as they come.
Left wing politicians waste money through well intentioned naivete.
Right wing politicians steal.
Lots of blame to go around.
re the city of Vancouver itself, a sibling retired from senior administration over a decade ago. He had tons of stories about crooked businessmen doing shady deals. He always said 25% of your property taxes go right into someone’s pocket. I see the same from contractors I know in Winnipeg. Nobody wants to rock the boat though, or they’ll get kicked off the gravy train.
Case in point- stadiums. Winnipeg had an arena built and city politickers said it won’t cost much because the federal and provincial govts would kick in. Well where do the fed and prov get money?
FFS we had a mayor walk away after robbing the city blind and putting hundreds of millions in the pockets of his cronies.
ZERO consequences.
And he was as right wing pro biz as they come.
Left wing politicians waste money through well intentioned naivete.
Right wing politicians steal.
Lots of blame to go around.
re the city of Vancouver itself, a sibling retired from senior administration over a decade ago. He had tons of stories about crooked businessmen doing shady deals. He always said 25% of your property taxes go right into someone’s pocket. I see the same from contractors I know in Winnipeg. Nobody wants to rock the boat though, or they’ll get kicked off the gravy train.
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Truer words have never been written than this!!
This literally describes how the political systems work.
Ah yes, the whole "don't arrest them, they need treatment" argument.... Okay then, where's the treatment?
No treatment around? Too much red-tape to funnel the money where it should go? Too many hands in the cookie jar, there's only a few cookies to go around when the money gets there?
Okay then, arrest them and lock them up. They obviously cannot function in normal everyday society. Stranger attacks on the rise. No one feels safe. Lock them up, until treatment appears.
No, you can't lock them up. It's inhumane. They need to choose treatment. We need this and that...
Okay then, where's is the treatment?
Well, the treatment is....oh hey, look! Something shiny!
Alright then, lock them up.....
No, we need treatment....
***THEN! the real question.... even if the money is there, where's the work-force to support the treatment? Yikes,... It's not exactly a job that's meant for 'everyone'. Getting into health care is easy, but having the heart to do it is another matter. I knew people who took nursing jobs because demand made it easy to get into....and they suck at it. So few of them actually have the heart to commit to the job regardless. Even Firemen are quitting their job en masse, because they spend all their time Naxxing junkies, than actually fighting fires. This leads people to believe that even IF the magic amount of money falls onto the right lap, treatment will still never be 100% effective, not even 50%.....so again, they run amok......"Where is the treatment"?....no, Treatment? Then fuck'em, LOCK THEM UP.
Actually I do think they should be locked up in secure facilities for mentally ill.
Courts won’t do it because not enough spaces exist anymore. So they get put back on the street to cause more havoc.
Some offenders have hundreds of violations, up to 500!
While government whines about how much a new Riverview would cost it would be cheaper than wasting police, fire and paramedics time.
Guaranteed no politician will do anything.
Everyone in Vancouver needs to make this the #1 issue for every candidate.
Make them commit to doing something NOW not after a dozen more studies.
NOW
Courts won’t do it because not enough spaces exist anymore. So they get put back on the street to cause more havoc.
Some offenders have hundreds of violations, up to 500!
While government whines about how much a new Riverview would cost it would be cheaper than wasting police, fire and paramedics time.
Guaranteed no politician will do anything.
Everyone in Vancouver needs to make this the #1 issue for every candidate.
Make them commit to doing something NOW not after a dozen more studies.
NOW
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** Nobody wants to rock the boat though, or they’ll get kicked off the gravy train **
Are we dealing with a boat or a train?
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