Autistic Child Refused Entry Into Indigo Store

[take8easy]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7520912/...er-autistic-son-denied-entry-at-indigo-store/
It is sad to see it happening on one hand because I can only imagine how challenging it can be to raise a child with autism. On the other hand, the mother has to understand the times we are in right now.

She said wearing a face covering makes her son agitated which is totally understandable. She said that she wanted her son to experience a book store, which is fair enough. But in my opinion she should be more concerned about his and other people's health.

I was told by a friend, who's son is autistic that they are being extra careful because, according to him, people with this condition are more susceptible to infections and viruses. Even if they are not, why risk it?

What if the child caught the virus, don't you think he will suffer even more? Why choose a time when COVID 19 is at its peak? Why not wait a bit more?

Sometimes I feel that the society turns everything into political correctness. How can she talk about human rights issue when she herself is putting her son in harms way. Frankly, she is the one who is wrong, which is unfortunate.

Just my opinion.

 

[PuntMeister]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7520912/...er-autistic-son-denied-entry-at-indigo-store/
It is sad to see it happening on one hand but on the other hand, the mother has to understand the times we are in right now.

She said wearing a face covering makes her son agitated which is totally understandable. She said that she wanted her son to experience a book store, which is fair enough. But in my opinion she should be more concerned about his and other people's health.

I was told by a friend, who's son is autistic that they are being extra careful because, according to him, people with this condition are more susceptible to infections and viruses. Even if they are not, why risk it?

What if the child caught the virus, don't you think he will suffer even more? Why choose a time when COVID 19 is at its peak? Why not wait a bit more?

Sometimes I feel that the society turns everything into political correctness. Frankly, she is the one who is wrong, which is unfortunate.

Just my opinion.

Agree. This is a bad time to take a stand and invoke a media circus on a human rights issue when masks are mandatory and people are dying from an infectious disease in record numbers. Priorities please. I also have a friend with an austic kid, and there is now way she is taking him anywhere near a bookstore, or failing to comply with provincial health orders.

Having an autistic child is an incredinle burden, and my heart goes out to the families who have to live with it every day. Accommodations that don’t expose others to risk, harm, etc. are fine, like get one of those $15 flip down face visors instead of a mask, and call it a day. Bad idea for thebookstore experience at this time.

Now I gotta go buy a book to help keep our local retailers afloat.

 

[nwtl]

The new 'rules' expressly accommodate and state those with medical exemptions are just fine without a mask in such places, now if a private business wants to ban someone with a medical exemption, it is their choice, but like any other choice, the consequences exist, and this one, is that they may get hit with a lawsuit or human rights claim of discrimination based on medical disability etc.

There is never a 'bad time' to stand for rights or what is right. Those bad times are usually precisely when one needs to stand. Because when everything is dandy fine, there are little to no challenges to anyone's rights, usually.

 

[Miss Hunter]

Agree. This is a bad time to take a stand and invoke a media circus on a human rights issue when masks are mandatory and people are dying from an infectious disease in record numbers. Priorities please. I also have a friend with an austic kid, and there is now way she is taking him anywhere near a bookstore, or failing to comply with provincial health orders.

Having an autistic child is an incredinle burden, and my heart goes out to the families who have to live with it every day. Accommodations that don’t expose others to risk, harm, etc. are fine, like get one of those $15 flip down face visors instead of a mask, and call it a day. Bad idea for thebookstore experience at this time.

Now I gotta go buy a book to help keep our local retailers afloat.

aside from protecting the wearers eyes from bodily fluid splatter from others, those visors are useless.

I say they should have just let the autistic child into the store. he had a medical exemption from his Dr. And add to the fact that autistic people tend to be lone wolves, they, in general, are not social butterflies no matter if they are from the low to high functioning end of the scale. I assume he's at low risk at picking up the virus and spreading it anywhere anyways.

 

[Miss Hunter]

How useful are the majority of masks people are wearing anyways? For a deadly virus, I think the recommendedations by so called “health experts” are laughable and absurd

thank god a friend stopped me from returning to nursing a few years ago. My mouthy ass would have just gotten my ass fired.

 

[Miss Hunter]

It's tragic that an autistic person was prevented from buying his books because of this pandemic. IMO, autism is more of a difference than a disability. Autistic people should be encouraged, and accommodated, to pursue their interests. That alone makes a difference in them having the ability to function at their highest level possible. It'll be interesting to see what comes from this human rights challenge.

 

[g eazy]

aside from protecting the wearers eyes from bodily fluid splatter from others, those visors are useless.

I say they should have just let the autistic child into the store. he had a medical exemption from his Dr. And add to the fact that autistic people tend to be lone wolves, they, in general, are not social butterflies no matter if they are from the low to high functioning end of the scale. I assume he's at low risk at picking up the virus and spreading it anywhere anyways.

Assuming that someone is a lone wolf because they are autistic isn't something that is easily assumed, let alone by a retail employee at a moment's notice.

 

[g eazy]

How useful are the majority of masks people are wearing anyways? For a deadly virus, I think the recommendedations by so called “health experts” are laughable and absurd

thank god a friend stopped me from returning to nursing a few years ago. My mouthy ass would have just gotten my ass fired.

On what basis or authority would you make this assessment?

 

[Billiam]

On what basis or authority would you make this assessment?

You obviously don't follow her posts regularly.

 

[Miss Hunter]

On what basis or authority would you make this assessment?

You think random people wearing cloth masks with zero education of how to properly wear them, and dispose or sterilize them is helping?

Hey..Do cloth masks even stop virus particles?

Why is there no proper biohazard disposal for covid PPE?

 

[Miss Hunter]

I suppose a visor at least protects the eyes. Which brings up another question
If covid is airborne, and I’m not in anyway saying it’s not (it likely is IMO) why are regular people not advised to protect their eyes?

 

[take8easy]

And another thread goes off track.

 

[Miss Hunter]

Wear your cloth masks, yet we don’t give a fuck if you’re infecting yourself with covid (or any other pathogens) cuz we aren’t teaching you how to wear and handle PPE properly
And just hurry up and wait to get vaccinated with shit that was rapidly pushed through safety trials because the manufacturers want to make as much $ as possible cuz everyone is running off emotions eager to jump on any chance they can get back to their normal lives as quickly and with as little effort as possible.

and let’s be mask Nazis who throw autistic children out of bookstores and 2 year olds off planes. For the greater good. While most people who are dying of covid are in long term care homes. The area of health care that has suffered the most over budget cuts over the last few decades. Lets not focus on stopping the spread there.

^^ that’s my take on the situation. But perhaps I’ve just gone completely mad and I don’t know shit. Anyways. It’s just my opinion.

 

[Miss Hunter]

And another thread goes off track.

How is this off track?

how is forcing an autistic child to wear a mask or kicking him out of a bookstore actually helping this situation?

 

[Miss Hunter]

I thought this thread was posted with the intention of stirring up discussion and debate...?

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Looking at this from what I consider the points at issue.

- prov guidelines allow anyone with a medical issue to not wear a mask
- every private entity anywhere, whether business or a home has the right to decide who comes into their store ie no shirt no service
- this child is in a higher risk category for infection
- the mother wants the child to have the life experience of going into a bookstore
- they won't let you into this bookstore, go to another one

Without me stating my obvious F F S reaction ... I'll downplay it to a for crying out loud.
There is no potential lawsuit in any of this as the provincial guidelines are right and the private business is right. Same as me not allowing someone to come into my house if I don't want them in my house. If the business decides in their risk assessment they do not want you to come in, they can bar you. If you want to sue for that injustice go ahead.

This mother is going to put her kid at risk for the life experience of going into a bookstore, during a pandemic I might add, at a time when the R0 values are anything but less than 1. Really great move Mom.

Honestly, sometimes ...

 

[take8easy]

Looking at this from what I consider the points at issue.


This mother is going to put her kid at risk for the life experience of going into a bookstore, during a pandemic I might add, at a time when the R0 values are anything but less than 1. Really great move Mom.

Honestly, sometimes ...

My point exactly. We can sit here and rant about advantages or disadvantages of masks or shields, but the point is do you really want to put your child at risk just to experience a book store and THEN turn around and complain.
I am not sure if she knows any lawyers or not, but I am sure she will get some unsolicited calls from law firms.

My tone my seem insensitive, but again, my heart is with the child and his mother (somewhat) but my brain says to the mother, "Give your head a shake and don't risk your child's health for one book." How about going out. Enjoy the foliage, leaves, trees, parks, walks, fresh air.

 

[appleomac]

The new 'rules' expressly accommodate and state those with medical exemptions are just fine without a mask in such places, now if a private business wants to ban someone with a medical exemption, it is their choice, but like any other choice, the consequences exist, and this one, is that they may get hit with a lawsuit or human rights claim of discrimination based on medical disability etc.

There is never a 'bad time' to stand for rights or what is right. Those bad times are usually precisely when one needs to stand. Because when everything is dandy fine, there are little to no challenges to anyone's rights, usually.

"Rights", for lack of a better term, have a tendency to intersect. And it makes these types of scenarios rather complicated. As an example, "no shirt, no service" - is that an example of discrimination? Technically it is. But I don't think anyone has issue with a restaurant owner or store owner having the right to refuse service to someone based on them being topless! "Rights" do not simply exist for individuals - a business has long had the "right" to refuse service, on most grounds. Notwithstanding any medical exemptions (and I don't even know what that means or entails) that does not necessarily mean a business has to change it's "no mask, no service" policy during Covid. Keep in mind, if the medical exemption means you don't have to wear a mask, that does not automatically mean the medical exemption creates an obligation for every business to allow customers into their stores, if the store has a "no mask, no service" policy! Again, it's alot more complicated than "but I have a doctor's note!" People seem to think that Indigo has to respect the right of "this" potential customer or "that" potential customer - most people forget that Indigo also has to consider the "rights" of their other customers, their employees, etc. The situation is alot more complex than one kid with autism that can't wear a mask.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7520912/...er-autistic-son-denied-entry-at-indigo-store/She said wearing a face covering makes her son agitated which is totally understandable. She said that she wanted her son to experience a book store, which is fair enough.

While that may be the case, this is an example of a person with a specail needs child, trying to make a point, rather than doing what is best for the child. I'm sure the kid couldn't have cared less whether he went to the book store now or in 6 months.
I have very good friends who have a son with severe autism. He is now an adult and living in a Group Home. Growing up they were very loving and responsible parents. I can't imagine facing the challenges they did. But they were also realisitic and reasonable. They understood that there were certain circumstances they could not take their son into regardless of how much they may have wanted him to experience something. They were cognisant of the impact his behaviour and outbursts would have on those around them and felt is would not be fair to those people. As well they knew there were situations where they may not be able to keep him safe and avoided those. Especially when he was older and could esily overpower his mother. They love their son dearly but they also accepted his situation and didn't feel the need to subject others to what they often had to deal with to make a point.
I have no idea how severe this kids autism is but the mere fact he cannot wear a mask during these times makes me question the motives of his mother taking him into a public space.
Cheers
J

 

[Miss Hunter]

What an upside down world we are living in where an autistic child’s mother is being shamed for trying to take him to a bookstore.