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rlock

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Horgan broke his agreement (by over a year remaining)with the Greens and is banking on a majority this time. If it’s Minority Govt again, chances are very unlikely of support from Greens.

Liberals - liars and crooks. I hope their negligence in handling the Casinos and Money Laundering is finally brought to public scrutiny.

I guess I’m voting Greens again.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-election-1.5732601 View attachment 8409

This is pretty much where I'm at. What a bad idea having an election now, with no crisis in the legislature at all - literally nothing - to justify calling an election. The risk is unjustified - the second wave of COVID is not approaching, it's already here. Cases have been growing steadily since July, and with school back in session now, it could grow explosively. Every gathering, every extra excursion out of one's small circle is a risk. Too late to call an election now at low risk - the "safest" month or two has already passed. In any case, we are clearly wading deep in the political bog again. If supposedly nobody in power wanted it, then why are we here?

What is really at stake in this election is not the management of the pandemic, but having control of the recovery agenda afterwards. Once the pandemic subsides (IF it subsides), the government in power will look at all that massive deficit & debt incurred, and decide what sort of long-term plan it needs to deal with it. That's either going to be austerity & huge service cuts, or a period of increased taxes while services stay at heightened post-pandemic levels. How people respond to it coming out of this pandemic will depend on how deficient they think government was going in.

How do I view the political competitors?

There are some things this NDP government has done, project-wise and policy wise, that I agree with, and would like to see continue; BC needed a change in direction from the corrupt shit-show going on prior to 2017. There were some reforms after that, which need to continue. However, Horgan definitely broke his power-sharing agreement as soon as the polls showed his government as popular. The public is not that gullible to believe Horgan was being thwarted in the legislature. If anything, the Greens slammed the brakes on some dumb things that the NDP would have done if not for the extra oversight & resistance. They should be thanking the Greens for making them a better government, not betraying them.

Speaking of which, I'm also still mad about how the NDP deliberately bungled the electoral reform campaign, just to say to the Greens that they tried (without ever really trying). What that led to was exactly what you are seeing right now: another first-past-the-post election where a party is betting on swindling a majority of seats out of a minority of votes. The plain fact is the NDP are being opportunistic, and I suspect they are convinced they can eliminate the Green party now that Weaver is out and Fursteneau is in. (Just watch: the real bitter fighting will be between NDP and Greens, just as it was in BC during the federal election.)

On the other hand (the right hand, not the left, hehe), looking at the right-wing BC "Liberal" opposition ...

Andrew Wilkinson seems like he would take us back to the Christy Clark style of government - a lot of empty platitudes about "prosperity for working families" (blah blah blah) while the country-club crowd does well and everyone else is getting fucked over. If they get in again, they will go right back to swinging a wrecking ball at BC Hydro, BC Ferries, the ALR, public education, public health care, and ICBC. Unrestricted resource extraction in rural areas, and unlimited condo speculation / money laundering in urban areas? That's what the BC Libs were up to before and they still have no remorse for it. Losing power taught them nothing about what BC's people actually want and need. Wilkinson himself doesn't matter anyways - he does not seem a very effective or charismatic leader. Jas Johal is the real leader of that party now, and everyone can see it (especially on Global TV where he can get favourable coverage without even having to ask). However, if the BC Liberals do have an ace to play in this campaign, it might be the wedge issue of crime. It's a touchy thing, considering how complex it is, and how much is actually federal jurisdiction, not provincial - but crime is pissing people off a lot more lately than in was a few years ago. Criminals are acting more violent and audacious than ever before, and while the BC Liberals might be denounced as the party of money laundering, but there are also many citizens who see the NDP as too lenient on street crime, and are sick of feeling besieged in their own neighbourhoods. Wilkinson has already made one mention of crime as a campaign issue - expect to hear more.

Then there are the Greens. I liked Andrew Weaver's approach. I think he understood the value of being neither left nor right, acting as some wild-card that could at times agree with either of the other two parties. The Greens' independence and willingness to approach politics differently is a strength. But I think some activists get caught up in rhetoric, and miss this point on that - maybe getting lost in the tangle of trendy social issues and taking their eye of the core issues that matter more: environment and democratic reform. The NDP always had to be dragged kicking and screaming towards environmental action (not just words) - for example, look how quick they were to not increase the carbon tax once the pandemic hit, even though fuel prices were suddenly lower than they had been in a decade or more. With the Greens, there would be no falseness on this issue, only action. That scares some, but shouldn't. After all, COVID sharpened peoples' minds to this fact: survival should always come first. Science nerds that they are, crusaders that they are, I think we need more of what they've got - at least as a viable alternative to the polarizing gamesmanship of the other two parties.

If Furstaneau gives me cause for concern, it is this: the departure of Weaver should not mean the new leader(s) of the Green should throw away the sound tactics that Weaver used. For example, Fursteneau could have stopped this "pandemic election" before it happened by offering to Wilkinson to create a governing arrangement with the BC Liberals, just to last until the fixed election date came next year. It would have been audacious, maybe even controversial, but with COVID raging, perhaps necessary. Maybe that offer would have worked, or maybe not - but the fact that there was not even an attempt shows that she might not be ready to find some common ground with the BC Liberals, where Weaver could have. The NDP would dearly like to wipe out the Greens, since they wrongly think of Green voters as NDPers who've gone astray. Greens cannot act like that's true, or they will lose their purpose and then all their seats (and many years of built up momentum).


[So far] I am rejecting both the NDP and BC LIberals in favour of the BC Greens.

I do not want Wilkinson's Liberals to take power, but it would also be great to see Horgan's ambition for a "majority" lead to nothing but the same situation we were in before this election. Greens still there, perhaps even a bit stronger.
 
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rlock

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I think the Greens will keep two or three of their seats, but the Liberals should bleed a few to the NDP due to Horgan's popularity, giving them their desired majority.

The only thing I can possibly see standing in the NDP's way is the BCTF and their campaign to stir up parental fear and anxiety. If it proves too successful and shifts momentum towards the Liberals, who are also critical of the government's back to school plan, the BCTF may end up regretting their new masters.

Dr. Henry is a great public health expert, it is best she stay out of politics.

I am amazed that the BCTF didn't tell Horgan they would campaign against him if he did not give them what they asked for, and went to an unnecessary election anyways. Generally the BCTF is very pro-NDP, but Horgan would be shitting bricks if they had given him some sort of ultimatum.
 

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Exactly. Even the Green Party let Site C and Fracking slide once the agreement was made, after campaigning against both.

Actually, as I recall, the NDP and BC Liberals combined their votes in favour of both projects, while the Greens opposed it. They put out all sort of arguments in opposition to the projects - and then were outvoted anyways by the bigger two parties. There was nothing more the Greens could do, considering that situation.
 
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I will never vote NDP for as long as I live. Their track record never changes - under deliver and over budget. The massey tunnel/bridge project was something that should have been made 6-7 lanes in each direction 20 years ago. The liberals, albeit late, finally decided to greenlight the project. The NDP are just wasting time now and as usual won’t accomplish much of anything - and when they do, it’ll be already obsolete and inadequate and cost 3x as much as the original proposals thanks to unions and inflation.

My support for the liberals is waning. The casino/laundering scandals are not an easy pill to swallow either.

Not much of a choice yet again honestly. Fucked if we do, fucked if we don’t.
The new Massey bridge was a project Christy Clark sprung on Metro Vancouver / Translink without even consulting them. (Metro had planned for a new tunnel, some time after the Patullo replacement project was done.) The bridge was going to be bigger than the Port Mann, but would not have done much but push the traffic jams into north Richmond (which is already jammed enough).

Then the real reason for the sudden change to a bridge was found out: Clark had been asked by the coal industry to make the new crossing capable of allowing huge coal ships to go up the Fraser River to the Surrey docklands area, so they needed a deeper draught in the river channel. That's some sneaky shit.

While I definitely agree that the current Massey tunnel is inadequate, I am glad the Horgan government switched back to an expanded / doubled tunnel idea. Jas Johal may be doing sour grapes on TV about the dirt piles and such, but a bridge would have been a mistake. Sometimes all you can ask of a government is that they not fuck things up for sneaky reasons.

As you say, though, not much of a choice. Rational long-term transportation planning often gets kicked to the curb when politicians have other agendas to pursue.
 

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my post was not ment to derail this thread but highlight the incompetencies of all the parties, and while i dont like any of them , show that the libs got stuck wearing the casino/laundering deal when they actually inherited it from several previous governments.

but for the sake of debate i disagree about the incentive for the government. In my opinion its obvious that they were laundering the money and knew they were laudering it but at a very low rate if your talking $1 for $2-3000. Even if that money was from ill gotten gains and income tax applied the estimated return to BC govt would reflect min. 5% roughly $100 on $2000 ( in 2020 not sure for 90s) . From what i have seen it seems to me that revenue canada only cares about how much you made and that they get their cut. If this 'loop hole' of no tax winnings (they weren't even winnings in the first place) had been filled and more money had to be washed thru private businesses more money may have actually been paid in taxes
 

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disclaimer; i am uneducated and apologize for any inaccuracies.

i have no allegiance to any polical party or ideology and not sure how i will vote but one thing im pretty of is that questionable practices and money laudering had been taking place from as early as 1991. As an adolescent i would get into some casinos uncarded and see people feed video style machines with thousands of dollars throw $2 away into gaming print a paper stub from said machine and then receive a cheque for the remainder to be deposited clean and tax free. Maybe not as big a deal as what we seen in later years with large amounts being changed without a verified source but i imagine these loop holes date back to social credit leadership.

i also have a hard time forgetting bingo gate under Harcourts NDPs leadership, what happened to those millions that were diverted and 'lost'? i believe Clark was also implicated in receiving benefits from a friend who was awarded a gaming licence, and what a mess/loss with the fast ferries.

Campbells reign didn't seem much better, as he acted as tho he was above the law ( as small and understandable as the charge he received , you would think that as the leader of a province one would lead by example.) Not to mention the benefits his affluent friends received ie 'run of the river ' and while im probably wrong, privatizing services and contracts with gold lined parachutes. i believe he may have also had a 3rd party paid lobbyist on his payroll ,conflict much?

Honestly, both the BC Liberals (back in the day: Socreds?) and the NDP have found themselves corrupted by the prospect of gambling revenue. Not usually personal corruption, as much as the fact that once a government taps into that source of money, they find themselves unable to live without it. Grassroots opposition to casino expansion was used by both parties as a "concern" to throw at their opponents, but really the grassroots neighbourhood activists were on their own. The opponents said casinos would promote social problems, crime & corruption in their communities, and suck the wealth out of local peoples' pockets. The supporters said it would not be corrupt thanks to good oversight and enforcement, and would bring money into communities.

Well, the opponents were definitely right about the first part and maybe also about the second. Criminals love casinos, and no "bar watch" type of system seems to stop them; also, the BCLC was supposed to be the enforcer and instead got corrupted by the revenue and became the enabler of bad practices and shady customers instead. Does the revenue for the community justify it anyway? Well, that depends where the money is coming from. If the money comes from out-of-jurisdiction tourists, then it's an absolute money machine. Look at Vegas, or Macao, or Monaco. There are some nice higher-end casinos in BC, but nothing to equal those destination-gambling cities in either elitism or scale. And then there are some of the smaller casinos in BC that are frankly sketchy. So knowing that, who are we getting in our local casinos? High-rolling / high-spending tourists from out of town? Or mostly BC locals? If the casinos depend on locals blowing their paycheques, then it will never really make money for the BC government, because they will end up paying out more for the social problems the gambling causes. So that leaves outsiders as the only hope - and if we cannot compete with world-famous destination gambling towns for legitimate gambling tourists, then that leaves only one other source of outside revenue: shady people doing shady things with shady money (a.k.a. money laundering). The inquiry set up in recent years already showed some evidence that the BC government actively chased after this kind of clientele, changing the rules to make it easier for foreign whales to being in loads of dark money and wash it (with BCLC & the provincial government wetting their beak a little).

Who would truly derail the casino money train? I guess it would take someone in power who can look at all that revenue and still reject it.
 
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To the pooners and providers out there, this bit of pertinent policy information comes directly from the BC Greens' website...


"SEX TRADE WORKER PROTECTION - BC Greens support regulation of sex workers to provide the same work protections as any other worker."


So what this leads me to believe is that the Greens are on the side of decriminalizing sex work, not cracking down on it Nordic-style. Can the SW community activists confirm this is what that phrase means ? (If true, I guess that's a reason to give support.)
 

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The beautiful Fraser Valley !
To the pooners and providers out there, this bit of pertinent policy information comes directly from the BC Greens' website...


"SEX TRADE WORKER PROTECTION - BC Greens support regulation of sex workers to provide the same work protections as any other worker."


So what this leads me to believe is that the Greens are on the side of decriminalizing sex work, not cracking down on it Nordic-style. Can the SW community activists confirm this is what that phrase means ? (If true, I guess that's a reason to give support.)
These Laws fall under Federal Jurisdiction, so voting for the Provincial Green Party based on this Platform suggestion, would be a complete WOT IMHO !

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-everything-you-need-to-know/article19610318/
The BC Green Party has totally fallen apart in just 3 short Years !
How does that show any long Term consistency, and Leadership ?

A Vote for the Greens is a wasted Vote IMO . Their only Foothold has been on Vancouver Island .
Ironically, where Victoria still pumps raw untreated Sewage directly into the Pacific Ocean .
Is that mentioned on their Platform ?

Pick a lesser Evil..., NDP or Liberals ?

The NDP got rid of all the Bridge Tolls in the Fraser Valley ! ??

The Liberals spent Millions in the late Nineties to expand the original Port Mann Bridge built in the Sixties, only to tear it down in 2010, and Toll the new Bridge !
Now that's Leadership with foresight ? ? LOL ?

Mr Q.
 
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It was closed so we could maintain all things BC Election in one place. Same with the US Election and when the Liberals call a Federal Election it will have one thread too.
fair enough
 

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Actually, as I recall, the NDP and BC Liberals combined their votes in favour of both projects, while the Greens opposed it. They put out all sort of arguments in opposition to the projects - and then were outvoted anyways by the bigger two parties. There was nothing more the Greens could do, considering that situation.
I meant to say that when the Party was negotiating with the NDP on the power sharing deal, the FPTP referendum was made priority.

This was when the Green Party had maximum bargaining leverage. And in my opinion, was a moment when they could have done something.

Why bother with being a "Green" party when you let both through. Maybe try for at least one?

Plus, the NDP gov't didn't vote on Site C. Simply carried on with it as legislated.
 

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I am tired about the lack of choices in this Province and thinking about starting a new Party to erectify the situation.

Right now we have a three party system with the No Double Penetrators NDP; the CON Service Providers who spread fake pictures like Republicans spread fake news CONSERVATIVES; and the Lie Boreal Foresters who refuse to shave their armpits LIBERALS.

While we have the Greens too, we can hardly call them a party when they are acting like Party Poopers trying to take away our fossil watches.

I am just tired of all the political corruption and shit. That No Double Penetrator Leader John Whore Again should not have called an election when a pandemic is going on.

So who here is interested in starting a Political Party that advocates for Socialist Pooning? I know I know that many of you hate to pay higher taxes for socialized medicine and free healthcare particularly when you're young and healthy. But my proposed platform of Socialized Fuckcare will be different.

Like Donald Trump got the Mexicans to pay for the border wall, we can get the dumb Americans to pay for our Fuckcare. They seem to be happy to take things up their asses and we can slap a tarif on them whenever they try sell something to British Columbians.

Also under my platform, I am going to reopen the borders to Americans trying to get to Point Roberts and Alaska but there will be a new border fee $50 per car.

Before you know it I can offer free sex for everyone. Service Providers like Doctors can become employees of my new Government. I can guarantee higher rates and fees for all my favourite ladies. My least favorite ladies would not do too bad either and I am sure I can entice her out of retirement (no offence - I love you too even if you support Trump but regretfully I have no hard feelings fòr you)

So who would like to join me in establishing a new party for British Columbia? The BC Pooners Party. The BCPP.

I will be seeking candidates in every riding. Now I know how you perverts misread sentences so just to be clear, I did not say "I am seeking Cardates for Riding' Although it could me a nice party slogan.

In the end I hope everyone enjoys the upcoming Erection and if we succeed V for victory means free prescription Viagra for all.
 

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I am tired about the lack of choices in this Province and thinking about starting a new Party to erectify the situation.

Right now we have a three party system with the No Double Penetrators NDP; the CON Service Providers who spread fake pictures like Republicans spread fake news CONSERVATIVES; and the Lie Boreal Foresters who refuse to shave their armpits LIBERALS.

While we have the Greens too, we can hardly call them a party when they are acting like Party Poopers trying to take away our fossil watches.

I am just tired of all the political corruption and shit. That No Double Penetrator Leader John Whore Again should not have called an election when a pandemic is going on.

So who here is interested in starting a Political Party that advocates for Socialist Pooning? I know I know that many of you hate to pay higher taxes for socialized medicine and free healthcare particularly when you're young and healthy. But my proposed platform of Socialized Fuckcare will be different.

Like Donald Trump got the Mexicans to pay for the border wall, we can get the dumb Americans to pay for our Fuckcare. They seem to be happy to take things up their asses and we can slap a tarif on them whenever they try sell something to British Columbians.

Also under my platform, I am going to reopen the borders to Americans trying to get to Point Roberts and Alaska but there will be a new border fee $50 per car.

Before you know it I can offer free sex for everyone. Service Providers like Doctors can become employees of my new Government. I can guarantee higher rates and fees for all my favourite ladies. My least favorite ladies would not do too bad either and I am sure I can entice her out of retirement (no offence - I love you too even if you support Trump but regretfully I have no hard feelings fòr you)

So who would like to join me in establishing a new party for British Columbia? The BC Pooners Party. The BCPP.

I will be seeking candidates in every riding. Now I know how you perverts misread sentences so just to be clear, I did not say "I am seeking Cardates for Riding' Although it could me a nice party slogan.

In the end I hope everyone enjoys the upcoming Erection and if we succeed V for victory means free prescription Viagra for all.
You've got my vote!
 

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Horgan broke his agreement (by over a year remaining)with the Greens and is banking on a majority this time. If it’s Minority Govt again, chances are very unlikely of support from Greens.

Liberals - liars and crooks. I hope their negligence in handling the Casinos and Money Laundering is finally brought to public scrutiny.

I guess I’m voting Greens again.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-election-1.5732601 View attachment 8409
I’m voting Greens again
 

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NDP is likely fine for the short term. BC could end up paying a price once the Covid nonsense is over and done with, and ticked off voters would swing back to the Liberals.

I would be watching to see how the NDP handles the big-ticket projects in BC that would help counteract the damage from Covid.
I would also be watching how they specificcally support small businesses, such as, are they cutting funding that would help shops keep ride the crisis, or not care if they go bankrupt and let the Walmarts and Amazon's win. And what about government bloat: are they using Covid as a cover to grow their favourite ministries and damn the concept of balancing the budget?

If the Liberals don't keep on top of things and do a good job of pointing out the differences between them and the NDP (even the Conservatives), they could indeed lose more seats and NDP would have their majority without their Greens ball and chain.
 

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If I'm gonna to vote, it be Liberal, because some dim-wit called the election. The NB election was called because the opposition said some naughty words to the premeir.... So the premeir called them on it and won. I'd don't understand the reasons why (high in polls??), really ? Man politicians should know by now that people vote governments out, not in. So calling an election when there is no great contraversy, doesn't make much sense to me.
Tho I kinda liked how Horgan told the Victoria Mayor to pound sand on the bus tickets for students idea....
 
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