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treveller

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Is there any news about sex workers applying for the Canada Emergency Response Benefit? Seems to me it is available to anyone who is willing to declare $5000 income from last year and no income at present. Not like the US where anyone who was offering "prurient" services is excluded.
 

haigum141

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Interestingly, Japan, who is also providing financial aid to its citizens also excluded sex workers from being able to access public relief funds. Further reading shows that their reasoning being that majority of them do not pay taxes or lie/cheat/deceive or manipulate on their taxes and thus do not deserve to receive help from tax dollars which are contributed from other citizens, thereby getting a free ride from other people and not giving anything back in return.

It sounds like Japanese government views sex workers as somewhat parasitic overall to Japanese society.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200407/p2a/00m/0na/002000c

"TOKYO -- The labor ministry has explained that it determined that the industry type -- which includes nightclubs and other establishments that entail adult entertainment and sex work -- as "unworthy of receiving public funds.""

Their government deemed that "it would be inappropriate to use public funds to subsidize these types of business operators"

"Katsunobu Kato suggested that he has no intention to review the current arrangement."
 

johnnydepth

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Is there any news about sex workers applying for the Canada Emergency Response Benefit? Seems to me it is available to anyone who is willing to declare $5000 income from last year and no income at present. Not like the US where anyone who was offering "prurient" services is excluded.
Please excuse my ignorance but isn't it illegal in the U.S.?
 

haigum141

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Please excuse my ignorance but isn't it illegal in the U.S.?
Every state has its own laws governing it. Certain states are okay, others are not. It's not the same across the nation. But seems like the US Federal government excluded sex workers completely regardless whether it is illegal or not.
 

Wakeup

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There is a lot of double dipping going on, ie: construction workers etc. working mostly for cash. Bugs me
 

jamasianman

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Careful not to double dip. My friend knows a guy who applied for cerb then worked on a construction site under the table. He fell and died. There will be no insurance or any form of compensation and the family is a wreck.
 

greenb

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Just an FYI, the new language under CERB allows you to work and still qualify for CERB as long as you make less than $1000 for said month.

"The $1,000 includes employment and/or self-employment income. This includes among others: tips you may earn while working; and non-eligible dividends you may receive within the four-week benefit period.

Pensions, student loans and bursaries are not employment income and therefore, should not be included in the $1000.

Applications will be verified against tax records to confirm income."
 

CanineCowboy

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Careful not to double dip. My friend knows a guy who applied for cerb then worked on a construction site under the table. He fell and died. There will be no insurance or any form of compensation and the family is a wreck.
Actually this isn't true. The employer is responsible for the safety of all of their workers (whether employee or contractor), so if they don't carry insurance they are liable for damages. I operate my business in BC and carry Worksafe insurance to protect myself and my customers for liability in case of an accident and if a contractor isn't paying taxes on their income, it may cause them problems with CRA, but it does not void my insurance protection.
 

appleomac

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Actually this isn't true. The employer is responsible for the safety of all of their workers (whether employee or contractor), so if they don't carry insurance they are liable for damages. I operate my business in BC and carry Worksafe insurance to protect myself and my customers for liability in case of an accident and if a contractor isn't paying taxes on their income, it may cause them problems with CRA, but it does not void my insurance protection.
Being liable has nothing to do with whether or not someone carries insurance or not. Being liable has to do with not meeting one's duty of care. My employees can be minding there own business doing there work, a helicopter crashes through the roof and kills two of my employees - whether I have insurance or not and whether those employees are on the books or under the table, my company as the employer is not liable for their deaths. Now, can my employees family sue my company seeking damages? Sure they can. They'll probably lose and hopefully they have a good enough lawyer to sue the pilot/helicopter company. In reality they'll just sue anyone and everyone - basically they'll throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. In any event, we generally have a duty of care to others, certainly employers have a duty of care to their employees. Just because an employee dies on the job/at the workplace, does not automatically mean an employer has breached that duty of care and therefore has liability for said death.
 

CanineCowboy

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Being liable has nothing to do with whether or not someone carries insurance or not. Being liable has to do with not meeting one's duty of care. My employees can be minding there own business doing there work, a helicopter crashes through the roof and kills two of my employees - whether I have insurance or not and whether those employees are on the books or under the table, my company as the employer is not liable for their deaths. Now, can my employees family sue my company seeking damages? Sure they can. They'll probably lose and hopefully they have a good enough lawyer to sue the pilot/helicopter company. In reality they'll just sue anyone and everyone - basically they'll throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. In any event, we generally have a duty of care to others, certainly employers have a duty of care to their employees. Just because an employee dies on the job/at the workplace, does not automatically mean an employer has breached that duty of care and therefore has liability for said death.
The poster claims a worker died from a fall in a workplace accident, WorkSafe provides no fault insurance protection to the employer and pays a death benefit to the dependents of the deceased worker. We are not talking about some act of God helicopter falling from the sky, we are talking about a fatal fall - no need to hypothesize. If the employer doesn't have insurance they are liable because they are responsible for providing a safe workplace and also required by law to carry WorkSafe coverage. Period.

And if they aren't 'on the books' that doesn't change that responsibility and actual becomes more problematic for the employer for not paying EI and CPP.
 
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