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Why is nuclear power not widely used?

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rlock

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For all of the hyperbole about "climate change" and the doom saying about coal/oil/natural gas as "evil fossil fuels" that are killing the planet.Why oh why is nuclear power the go to thing.It is clean and reliable.Funny enough Canada builds and exports the CANDU nuclear reactor but it is not in widespread use in Canada.Seems really stupid to me especially since we have the uranium feedstocks to fuel the reactors mined right here in Canada which is as a country laden with uranium resources....in fact I think we have the largest deposits of uranium on the planet.

You cant look at failures and judge something such as the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown as it was caused by human error.You have or should look at the success.The US navy has had a fleet of nuclear attack submarines for decades same goes for the fleet of BMS subarines bot to mention the 12 aircraft carriers that are nuclear powered and ALL without a single problem flawlessly.

The widespread use of nuclear power should be embraced for the good of mankind FFS.

Of course then you get the enviro-nuts spewing crapulence about nuclear waste.....yes there is going to be something to deal with in all forms of energy but for them it is like a bleating goat repeatedly saying "wind and solar ONLY" and with no idea of even starting a conversation of how to do it......it must just happen by 2025 or the planet and all life on it is DEAD.

If the "planet" is going to "die" then lets fucking save it with the energy source that has been the most destructive in terms or warfare....nuclear power.

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You're not alone in saying that.

There is already a big debate in the environmentalist community about it too. Nobody has done more to hold the nuclear industry's feet to the fire, so the idea of nuclear anything is "radioactive" * to many of them. (*This is where that phrase in politics & PR came from.) At the same time more environmentalists are seeing nuclear as really the only way to end reliance on carbon-fuels without running out of the energy we need.

One the one hand, nuclear does have a bad track record of disasters (the major kind that do not get better, whose damage is basically permanent), and coverups. It's always been a bigger problem than industry proponents have been willing to admit. And beyond just accidents, the industry has never yet come up with a really feasible way to deal with high-level radioactive waste. Every plan they've produced has some pretty gaping flaws, and seems to be a variant of "sticking it under the rug". The industry hid information so many years, claiming official secrecy (due to its nuclear weapons connections), that just finding out about dangers to the public was a perilous exercise, even for regulators whose job it was. So do people trust them? Nope. And in a way, they are right to be ultra-skeptical. The stakes are so high that normal human failure or corruption is intolerable.

On the other hand, if carbon fuel is going to come to and end, they have to get that electricity base-load from somewhere. Can't be coal anymore; can't even be natural gas for much longer. Renewables can provide a lot of power, but not all of it or all the time. Especially not if we need to double or triple the amount of electricity available (as some predict). People may have to accept that nuclear is that energy source. They don't like it, but GHG emissions are the biggest problem we have today, not 10000 years from now. Put enough effort and resources into engineering solutions, and they could be found.

But just look at AB and SK today: Coal plants and gas plants. People have been talking about small modular reactors, but what about large scale ones ? Where are the feds to say "to reduce the GHG emissions in AB and SK, we'll eliminate every coal and gas plant in 15 years, by building a modernized CANDU power plant in Lloydminister, and running it with Canadian-sourced uranium?" Or develop a reactor that uses thorium? Spend the money to engineer it, and then a lot of the problems that come from uranium-plutonium reactors would be nullified.

Whichever type is ultimately used, they could eliminate all of AB and SK's electricity-related GHG emissions in just a decade or two, if they got going on it right now. If they choose to do that, by all means take the safety concerns of environmentalist nuclear critics seriously, instead of dismissing it all. But as you pointed out, Canada's track record has been pretty good, and the newer reactors are designed to be much more safe than the older generations.

Expensive? Well, sure. But a government that is currently dumping $12.6 billion into TMX can probably use that money better. Or use the carbon tax money to rapidly build a clean electricity grid, with a CANDU or two if necessary. (I know you hate the CT, but to actually use that revenue for its real purpose would be better than any dividends bullshit.)

They could have this debate, for real, right now. It would be a better use of politicians' time than the pointless trolling that usually occupies Parliament (or at least the media coverage of it).

At some point soon, there is going to have to be a debate in Ontario over what to do about their existing reactors as they reach their end-of-life age.
 
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Ontario's problem is they have alot (tons of it available) of hydro up north; and no way to transfer it south to southern Ontario.

And Ontario privatized the transmission lines so the people of Ontario are paying for the transmision of the energy (up to 25% of the hydro rate) and it dosen't go into the government coffers...

Honestly, I can't say who is to blame for the Ontario mess. Was it Mike Harris who split Ontario hydro up that way, and privatized transmission? (What a scam.) Then come the Liberals who made a mess of their gas plants issue and I don't think fixed the transmission mess. They built wind farms, but then Ford comes along and actually starts dismantling the turbines that had already been built. It's all a mess there, being kicked back and forth as a political football. The business side of providing power is interfering in the actual providing of it.
 

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Yeah Harris blew up the transmission market (Hydro One is just a big scam). The Liberals fucked the production side with Butts' green dreams. All Ontario needs to do now is elect the NDP again so they can shut down the nukes and send Ontario back to the dark ages.
 

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Its a small percentage but its going in the right direction and every bit helps.
no, it doesn't

it's a feel good superficial slight of hand, just like a carbon tax, offsets, carbon cap and trade scams

the meat is in the industry, mainly

Canada, under Turdeau, exempted 90% of their emissions

the rest is peanuts

here's a look at reality

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...e-between-climate-pledge-and-albertas-economy

while there's nothing wrong with putting up a solar panel, quit with the bullshit it's economical, a cure

have you seen one, even one, article that doesn't say it's payback is 10-15 years?

who the fuck would pay upfront for 10-15 yrs of electricity and say, yeah, that was a great deal!!

not to mention, they never mention the lifecycle, I've seen 30-40yrs

the meat of emissions are in INDUSTRY

not your home

they're in Transportation too, agriculture, which is basic physics, when replacing diesel and gasoline/propane, you aren't going to do it with solar or wind

it's just math

you really want to cut emissions the way the Nazi Eco Nuts want

you either have to crater the economy or kill people

cause the tech for the their goals is decades, decades away, specially with the increase expected in the worlds population

at best, we might be able to hold it steady around todays levels

keep adding 500,000 people a yr, yeah, that's going to help
 

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no, it doesn't

it's a feel good superficial slight of hand, just like a carbon tax, offsets, carbon cap and trade scams

the meat is in the industry, mainly

Canada, under Turdeau, exempted 90% of their emissions

the rest is peanuts

here's a look at reality

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...e-between-climate-pledge-and-albertas-economy

while there's nothing wrong with putting up a solar panel, quit with the bullshit it's economical, a cure

have you seen one, even one, article that doesn't say it's payback is 10-15 years?

who the fuck would pay upfront for 10-15 yrs of electricity and say, yeah, that was a great deal!!

not to mention, they never mention the lifecycle, I've seen 30-40yrs

the meat of emissions are in INDUSTRY

not your home

they're in Transportation too, agriculture, which is basic physics, when replacing diesel and gasoline/propane, you aren't going to do it with solar or wind

it's just math

you really want to cut emissions the way the Nazi Eco Nuts want

you either have to crater the economy or kill people

cause the tech for the their goals is decades, decades away, specially with the increase expected in the worlds population

at best, we might be able to hold it steady around todays levels

keep adding 500,000 people a yr, yeah, that's going to help
Tesla Powerwall has been installed in Australia four years ago. The guy has a pool, air conditioning, and all appliances being powered for $0.46 A per day.

It will be in full production this year. Hook up your own solar panels or install the glass shingles on your roof which are also to be supplied by Tesla.

Read this article.

https://www.pv-magazine-australia.com/2020/01/30/australias-first-tesla-powerwall-four-years-on/
 

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Yup....I can install a micro-hydro power plant and have it paid for in 8 years, sell the surplus to hydro that I don't use, and make a little.
The money is a trickle...but almost constant except for January and February.....if I could find some enhanced uranium on Craigslist, I might try to build a reactor.....but I've got a full head of hair and I'd prefer to keep it.
Trying to buy enhanced uranium on line would bring you lots of new friends lol
 

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I know that some Dairy farmers are stock piling cowshit in regurgitators to produce natural gas....that should make some of the members happy around here.

I'd love to take some of the manure produced by my cows, to cook your food,or heat your homes with it, and charge you for it.
It's a shitty job, but someone's gotta pay for it....it gives an entire new meaning to the term " consumer product"
 

80watts

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There might be a problem with selling extra energy back to BC Hydro. The last I looked at it, BC hydro did not want to pay going hydro rates, to excess producers (people with solar homes etc) and were limiting the amount of energy that could be sold back....

So what if you then afterward attained a electric car. Will BC hydro increase the amount you can sale back due to your house load being greater?

So if you plan your house with the general amenities, how do you get one or 2 electric cars added (the idea being that you use wind/solar to charge up your car from your house's batteries)?

So why would bill gates build the reactor in China. Cheaper.....
 

sybian

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Trying to buy enhanced uranium on line would bring you lots of new friends lol
I have a paypal account that under the name J. Trudeau....besides if they figure out its me and come after me, you could just throw them in Perbatory for awhile.
 

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There might be a problem with selling extra energy back to BC Hydro. The last I looked at it, BC hydro did not want to pay going hydro rates, to excess producers (people with solar homes etc) and were limiting the amount of energy that could be sold back....

So what if you then afterward attained a electric car. Will BC hydro increase the amount you can sale back due to your house load being greater?

So if you plan your house with the general amenities, how do you get one or 2 electric cars added (the idea being that you use wind/solar to charge up your car from your house's batteries)?

So why would bill gates build the reactor in China. Cheaper.....
So far BC Hydro is limiting buybacks from people who produce more power than they use in the whole year, not on given days. If you add an electric car you'll use a lot more power, so you'll be fine. You're pretty unlikely to install enough solar in BC to run your house and car all year and still have a surplus.

In other jurisdictions where there is much higher adoption of solar (because they get a lot more sun hours and it makes more sense, or huge government subsidies), utility companies have gotten rid of their net metering programs and/or added large connection fees for the privilege of being on the grid but not paying for power. The fact is that anything more than a token amount of solar is actually a big problem for utility companies since they still have to pay to manage the grid, and most places don't need a big power surplus in the middle of the day when the sun is shining, they need it in the evening when people are home.

Now BC Hydro has some advantages, in that they can easily restrict power production from dams when needed if people are actually producing a lot of solar, or if anyone actually builds wind farms and generates power. But they'll still need to maintain the whole capacity for evenings and cold nights.
 

80watts

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Enhanced uranium is closely guarded as its weapon grade. Its what US reactors use as fuel. It spent fuel is highly radioactive and is stored at sites that have high security. Canada's Candu reactor uses just uranium.

The question is why shouldn't I be allowed to produce more electricity than needed? If I could afford to buy renewable for 2 household and sell off 1 housefull of electricity, why not. Someone is trying to prevent this. Its not that difficult to monitor electricity use into the grid. They have been doing it for years now.

I mostly think they want people to stay connected to the grid, to keep them tied to it, to use the hydro's electricity, so that you depend on them.... Sounds paranoid doesn't it. The Big Guys want you to buy their electricity, so you have to depend on their electricity. If I can produce my own and sell extra to the grid, they lose money. If it costs the 2 cents/KW to make, customers pay 7 cents/KW; and the Company pays 5 cents to individual users(who produce extra electricity), the company doesn't make near enough profit from the exchange on electricity with people who produce their own cause they have to buy at 5 cents/KW and they loose a using customer (who now produces his own electricity).... Now you see why Big Hydro doesn't like renewables.....

And connecting to the grid should be the same, where or not you have solar/wind, the Big Hydro just want to make a bit of money off of you cause in the future they won't.....
 

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Having worked in energy field both oil and gass and electric power this is my thought
the problem with nuclear is waste disposal once that is solved then ok.
Solar - panels have to be replaced every 20 to 25 years
Wind is not as efficient as people think
Both solar and wind rely on batteries, which are only good for 15 years but it is recommended to start replacing after 5 years.
China has one of the biggest battery test farms in the world and they still have not figured out how to make then last.

Lastly the transmission rates of hydro through wire. The losses of power over distance is still an issue.
 

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Having worked in energy field both oil and gass and electric power this is my thought
the problem with nuclear is waste disposal once that is solved then ok.
Solar - panels have to be replaced every 20 to 25 years
Wind is not as efficient as people think
Both solar and wind rely on batteries, which are only good for 15 years but it is recommended to start replacing after 5 years.
China has one of the biggest battery test farms in the world and they still have not figured out how to make then last.

Lastly the transmission rates of hydro through wire. The losses of power over distance is still an issue.
quit with the facts already, lol
 
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