This is so fucking scary ...

[storm rider]

So CT and SR, if or your nephew or niece, or son or daughter were to die from a recreational drug overdose, you would go to funeral and eulogize to all present, "this was darwinism at work, and thank God they are dead and no longer around to be a burden to society"?

JD

I have seen the signs of heavy drug use turn into death via people I know.A friend of my brother went from fronting his leather jacket for an 8th of grass to buying it by the kilogram and selling it to lower level dealers by the ounce.I paid my brother a visit for a weekend and took BC Rail down to Vancouver.The entire weekend I was riding shotgun in the guy's camaro as he only had a learners licence and I was stoned out of my tree.He picked up the girl friend of one of his sub dealers from the Burnaby womens prison and she demanded the front seat.He said "do you have a drivers licence?" and when she said no he said "yeah well he does now shut the fuck up and get in the back"

That night after cherry picking through jewlery from that same sub dealer he rolled up a joint 4 inches long and the width of a cigarette and the paper was smothered in honey oil.....he soaked a towel and rung it out and put it at the foot of the door and he hot boxed an apartment......I was RIPPED out of my mind whilst watching Jacobs Ladder.

Smoking that much grass got too hard on his lungs so he switched to coke....at this time he had enough laundered money to open a restaurant but he kept at the coke and then upped it to heroin.....he died from an overdose.

And yes if I had to describe his choices to ANY of his family members I would describe him as an idiot etc.

SR

 

[80watts]

It all very sad. For the drug addicts... and for the society that know the victims personally its tragic and very sad... so much potential...

About a year ago I had a conversation with a friend and he mentioned the drug crisis and said that maybe someone was putting the fetanyl in with the other drugs in order to make them overdose.... that is criminal and barbaric.

In Ontario an pharmacist was arrested for selling fetanyl out of his store. So does the same happen here in BC? Maybe...

the thing with drugs is that there are always new customers that come along.... so a few dying is par for the course... unhuman it is....

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

The sad thing is many addicts do not want to get clean, they will use govt funded residences etc whatever they can get their hands on to their advantage so they can do drugs. The John Vloken Society in Surrey is a residential rehab facitlity that will even job train you in a number of different diciplins. They are bringing in addicts from international locations because they cant fill the programs, addicts do not want to commit 2 years to a rehab program. After $5000 is paid the whole thing is free, seems like a no brainer for govt services to screen and recruit people to this program. The former owner of United Furniture Warhouse put up 50 million dollars of his own money to build and run this facility yet its never been full.
https://www.volken.org
Seems most Addicts want to do drugs.

 

[LalaniElectrica]

100% Jim Dandy, it's an epidemic... I've spoken to ex opioid addicts and coming off the stuff feels like your bones are being scraped and it's horrible withdrawals so they just keep doing it, cause they are already depressed and down enough, imagine having to overcome the withdrawals are even worse. These, in reality, are our own families, our neighbours families. There people we grew up and laughed with in elementary and high schools... your teachers even... no one is immune to this dependency and as we know, not all addicts are street people, some had been prescribed things, some may be people who were on meds for whatever as a child and they get caught with an addiction after years of dependency.

There is no limitations to how this situation is effecting each and every one of us... I've been in edmonton and seen a lot here as well, it is everywhere. The most people who OD are people who think they are getting cocaine but they get fentanyl probably from someone who is street level, and laced with fent and carfent...and they are usually going to college or working class and do not use regularly, or they get sober and fall off the wagon and OD... The hard addicts may OD but they get brought back...cause they are on ground zero and usually with help nearby. Or they have a tolerance.

imo the dealers should be shot and pissed on zero remorse anymore... the justice system is corrupt to the highest level and does support the larger drug kingpins... they really do not impose harsh sentences at all, 1 yr max for fentanyl large quantities... Canadas justice system is a total joke... Here is the most recent example of a drug smuggler of us-canada-south america getting off easy time and time again... killing our society! There are many more and higher criminals out there who have gotten off even lighter with copious amounts of fentanyl and many times it's some "technicality"... maybe one day their guns will suffer a "technicality" and they can really start doing their jobs...

https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/notorious-b-c-drug-smuggler-arrested-again-1.23790596

So CT and SR, if or your nephew or niece, or son or daughter were to die from a recreational drug overdose, you would go to funeral and eulogize to all present, "this was darwinism at work, and thank God they are dead and no longer around to be a burden to society"?

JD

 

[rlock]

imo the dealers should be shot and pissed on zero remorse anymore... the justice system is corrupt to the highest level and does support the larger drug kingpins... they really do not impose harsh sentences at all, 1 yr max for fentanyl large quantities... Canadas justice system is a total joke... Here is the most recent example of a drug smuggler of us-canada-south america getting off easy time and time again... killing our society! There are many more and higher criminals out there who have gotten off even lighter with copious amounts of fentanyl and many times it's some "technicality"... maybe one day their guns will suffer a "technicality" and they can really start doing their jobs...

https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/notorious-b-c-drug-smuggler-arrested-again-1.23790596

I agree. I feel sorry for those addicted to hard drugs though I don't trust them, (so I avoid "party" girls). On the other hand, the dealers all know they're just killing people for money, so they can go hang, literally.

 

[apl16]

Yup. Corruption is rampant in our political/legal systems. The average Joe puts his head in the sand and moves on. If they really paid attention to the problems in our society their heads would explode.
The normal north American way do deal with serious problems is to ignore them and hope they go away.
Dealing with things is hard! Give me some reality TV!!!

 

[licks2nite]

The Canadian judiciary seems to live in an "ivory tower" oblivious to the vagaries and protected from the outside world. Canadian judiciary spent a decade handing trade unions, and by that most everybody outside of a trade union and themselves, exorbitant wage gains that drove Canadian entrepreneurs and foreign branch plant manufacturers out of Canada. Tellingly, the Canadian judiciary kept their wage gains while ordinary Canadians had to take low skill, low paying agriculture, resource and non-producing service industry jobs. And surely we've heard by now how most or all of a Canadian's wage has be spent on basic necessities such as rent/mortgage, food, fuel as a result of that.

 

[appleomac]

The Canadian judiciary seems to live in an "ivory tower" oblivious to the vagaries and protected from the outside world. Canadian judiciary spent a decade handing trade unions, and by that most everybody outside of a trade union and themselves, exorbitant wage gains that drove Canadian entrepreneurs and foreign branch plant manufacturers out of Canada. Tellingly, the Canadian judiciary kept their wage gains while ordinary Canadians had to take low skill, low paying agriculture, resource and non-producing service industry jobs. And surely we've heard by now how most or all of a Canadian's wage has be spent on basic necessities such as rent/mortgage, food, fuel as a result of that.

How does the Canadian court system have anything to do with union wages and what does anything of this have to do with fentanyl deaths.

 

[sybian]

Think about why the Govt isn't doing a damn thing about the problem.

They and the pharmaceutical companies got people addicted to OxyContin and Percocet then suddenly removed them from the marketplace because of the addictive nature of the drugs. Problem is the users are still addicted to these opioids. Naturally the addicts had to find replacements so they turned to street drugs.

Fentanyl is used in hospitals as a short term sedative prior to anesthesia. Perfectly legal and legit in hospitals. Then dealers I suppose got ahold of it and mixed it with other narcotics to give the addicts the fix they need.

When those drugs where promoted to the Doctors...its sales line was that they worked just as good, but they had no addictive side effects....so the Doctors believed the drug companies sales people and promoted them.
Of course that was completely false....it is still used for labour pains in women about to give birth, as a quick short term pain solution, because they claim it has no affect on the unborn child........which I question.

 

[storm rider]

The Canadian judiciary seems to live in an "ivory tower" oblivious to the vagaries and protected from the outside world. Canadian judiciary spent a decade handing trade unions, and by that most everybody outside of a trade union and themselves, exorbitant wage gains that drove Canadian entrepreneurs and foreign branch plant manufacturers out of Canada. Tellingly, the Canadian judiciary kept their wage gains while ordinary Canadians had to take low skill, low paying agriculture, resource and non-producing service industry jobs. And surely we've heard by now how most or all of a Canadian's wage has be spent on basic necessities such as rent/mortgage, food, fuel as a result of that.

I have to say,that is one of the most ignorant/idiotic/pointless thing I have ever seen posted on this forum.It has nothing to do with the topic and I actually feel dumb from having read it.

SR

 

[licks2nite]

I have to say,that is one of the most ignorant/idiotic/pointless thing I have ever seen posted on this forum.It has nothing to do with the topic and I actually feel dumb from having read it.

SR

I'll have to give up looking beyond the news.

 

[sybian]

The Canadian judiciary seems to live in an "ivory tower" oblivious to the vagaries and protected from the outside world. Canadian judiciary spent a decade handing trade unions, and by that most everybody outside of a trade union and themselves, exorbitant wage gains that drove Canadian entrepreneurs and foreign branch plant manufacturers out of Canada. Tellingly, the Canadian judiciary kept their wage gains while ordinary Canadians had to take low skill, low paying agriculture, resource and non-producing service industry jobs. And surely we've heard by now how most or all of a Canadian's wage has be spent on basic necessities such as rent/mortgage, food, fuel as a result of that.

Low paying agriculture jobs?
FFS.....there's plenty of high paying agriculture jobs, which is one of my pet peeves when dumb-ass fuck faces point the finger at the producer for high food prices.
The guy working in processing plants makes a hell of a good wage, and has benefits on top of it.
There was a time not so long ago that those people where in fact making more than I was....and he doesn't even own the product, or have to raise it up for a year and a half, with all the risk.
Everybody thinks if the farms stop producing domestic product, it would be tough for a year on our economy....they never take into consideration the hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs that will be lost, if there's no product to process.
Low paying agriculture jobs my ass.....all the low paid people that harvest produce from the fields aren't even Canadian, because they are all after the processing jobs, with benefits.
Fuck, even the lowest rung on the ladder, a Chicken Catcher makes 30 to 45 an hour and has full benefits.

 

[rlock]

The Canadian judiciary seems to live in an "ivory tower" oblivious to the vagaries and protected from the outside world. Canadian judiciary spent a decade handing trade unions, and by that most everybody outside of a trade union and themselves, exorbitant wage gains that drove Canadian entrepreneurs and foreign branch plant manufacturers out of Canada. Tellingly, the Canadian judiciary kept their wage gains while ordinary Canadians had to take low skill, low paying agriculture, resource and non-producing service industry jobs. And surely we've heard by now how most or all of a Canadian's wage has be spent on basic necessities such as rent/mortgage, food, fuel as a result of that.

Oh, they definitely live in their own arcane legal world, and have lost touch with what ordinary people would call justice.

However, calling them out for a certain ideology would be a mistake. A left winger would assert the courts are too right wing; a right winger would say they are too left wing.

The actual tendency the courts have is to increase the power of the courts / legal profession in relation to the parliament / the public.

 

[appleomac]

Oh, they definitely live in their own arcane legal world, and have lost touch with what ordinary people would call justice.

However, calling them out for a certain ideology would be a mistake. A left winger would assert the courts are too right wing; a right winger would say they are too left wing.

The actual tendency the courts have is to increase the power of the courts / legal profession in relation to the parliament / the public.

And how does or how has the courts increase its own power?

 

[licks2nite]

What's scary here, actually totally outrageous, goes way beyond deadly fentanyl and carfentanyl circulating in the community that you live in. Referring here to one of the three branches of Canadian government, the judiciary that is isolated and protected from the mainstream of Canadian existence and allowed to make rules for everybody else based totally on sets of documents presented by another isolated and protected body, the police. So here you are. First you've had your real economy ruined by a bunch of sociopaths. Because you don't actually support yourself now, you're left feeling worthless enough to start using addictive heroin and cocaine and join armed street gangs because you know that there's no worthwhile career waiting if you finish school beyond personal debt and selling products for a foreign corporation. From there the same sociopaths that ruined your economy don't care about deadly fentanyl and carfentanyl getting into your heroin and cocaine because you've dared to disobey their rules. I'd suggest that the Canadian judiciary feels quite adamant about that since in using addictive heroin and cocaine you've abrogated your career serving up the fruits of somebody else's labour. For anybody who thinks that that's okay, I'd suggest again that Canadian judiciary and police are too incompetent in character if not in deliberate act in ruining things for most Canadians to want to serve so obediently.

 

[JimDandy]

100% Jim Dandy, it's an epidemic... I've spoken to ex opioid addicts and coming off the stuff feels like your bones are being scraped and it's horrible withdrawals so they just keep doing it, cause they are already depressed and down enough, imagine having to overcome the withdrawals are even worse. These, in reality, are our own families, our neighbours families. There people we grew up and laughed with in elementary and high schools... your teachers even... no one is immune to this dependency and as we know, not all addicts are street people, some had been prescribed things, some may be people who were on meds for whatever as a child and they get caught with an addiction after years of dependency.

There is no limitations to how this situation is effecting each and every one of us... I've been in edmonton and seen a lot here as well, it is everywhere. The most people who OD are people who think they are getting cocaine but they get fentanyl probably from someone who is street level, and laced with fent and carfent...and they are usually going to college or working class and do not use regularly, or they get sober and fall off the wagon and OD... The hard addicts may OD but they get brought back...cause they are on ground zero and usually with help nearby. Or they have a tolerance.

imo the dealers should be shot and pissed on zero remorse anymore... [/url]

Totally agree LalaniElectrica.

I know a former heroin addict ( perhaps there really is no such thing as a former addict) who had her best friend die (of an overdose of course) and self medicated with street heroin which, of course, as we all know, is now a large percentage fentanyl. She only used for a few days and when she stopped, she said despite only using for such a short time, it was absolute hell coming off. So what you said, about getting off with this new version of heroin, is extremely difficult. And people generally start using because of some mental health problem, often depression. Getting off drugs is likely impossible until the issues that caused the mental health problems are identified and resolved. Which is likely very difficult when you are using. A wicked circle of pain that often leads to death.

I left out above when I quoted your post the part about the courts and political system because I am not knowledgeable on that part of it. Though it would not surprise me to find out what you wrote is true.

JD

 

[westwoody]

The family behind the oxy crisis in the US has made billions.
They are so powerful they make articles about them disappear from twitter, Facebook and imgur.

 

[Miss Hunter]

Corruption at the highest level is to blame for this.

The more synthetic an opiate is, the longer and more brutal the withdrawal is. I got clean before fentanyl flooded the market. As a former addict I can attest the depression can last years. That shit screws with your brain chemicals, it takes a very long time to feel normal again. Antidepressants can only do so much. I found running helped a lot. I used to run 6-7 days a week to keep my moods up. The endorphins from runners high are what helped me get off the last bit of methadone and stay clean.

I can only imagine what all the fillers added to this shit are doing to people. Back in the day when someone had an opiate overdose, it often scared them into getting clean, at least for a time. Now there's users ODing up to several times a day. This shit isn't just highly addictive, it's making people stupid.

 

[LalaniElectrica]

Yes you are totally right about that... Miss Hunter, omg, just heard that many of the fentanyl and carfentanyl are also laced with a powerful sedative that even after people are revived with Narcan they remain unconscious... The current street drugs are DESIGNED to kill people... I strongly urge any of you reading this if you use any street drugs of any kind, stop now before it's too late! This is very very corrupt that even in the eyes of the courts, these scumbags are set free or in and out in a short period of time...

Plz someone bring back the death penalty for these people who are causing death. If the courts are now aiding and abetting these criminals and many others what kind of flawed system do we have, the courts are also guilty of treason to let them out of jail to reoffend. To the Canadian Justice System: be accountable, go for maximum sentencing, no parole... or send them plz to Texas.

Here you go JimDandy, this is not acceptable!

https://nanaimonewsnow.com/article/...disappears-during-break-nanaimo-court-hearing

https://globalnews.ca/news/5159244/john-stirling-oregon-liquid-meth/

https://nationalpost.com/news/b-c-d...-whether-rcmp-sniffer-dog-actually-sat-or-not

Corruption at the highest level is to blame for this.

The more synthetic an opiate is, the longer and more brutal the withdrawal is. I got clean before fentanyl flooded the market. As a former addict I can attest the depression can last years. That shit screws with your brain chemicals, it takes a very long time to feel normal again. Antidepressants can only do so much. I found running helped a lot. I used to run 6-7 days a week to keep my moods up. The endorphins from runners high are what helped me get off the last bit of methadone and stay clean.

I can only imagine what all the fillers added to this shit are doing to people. Back in the day when someone had an opiate overdose, it often scared them into getting clean, at least for a time. Now there's users ODing up to several times a day. This shit isn't just highly addictive, it's making people stupid.

 

[jgg]