Consent to sexual activity is a separate matter from having received payment for such activity, from what my legal brain can fathom. Failing to pay for the act would surely be considered outstanding debt, or fraud if done intentionally, but if an agreement was reached prior to the act, for payment in exchange for the act, not receiving the payment should not void the consent to the act itself, from my understanding.
Client pays with NSF check.
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I saw an SP advertise that she would take tax refund cheques as payment. But why would any customer bother to do that? The client can just cash it, and then use the cash.
The whole idea of paying by cheque is bizarre. Neither convenient nor anonymous. I can only imagine some thief stealing a cheque, which he can't cash at a bank, so he fobs it off on some unsuspecting SP.
After all, if a guy will rip off an SP, it's safe to say, he's probably ripped off other people too.
A person would have to be a real bottom-of-the-barrel doofus to pay by cheque (at all) and then rip the SP off.
If the SP wanted, she could ask the bank to stamp VOID on the cheque (so it can;t be used), but then she keeps it as evidence. She can then go to the cops, or even the local newspaper.
Presumably the cheque has the guy's name and signature, and probably address.
With all that info, the guy would get his just desserts.
about 10 yrs ago,I was having a R&T.The lady was trying to upsell me to FS,in a pleasant, non-aggressive, but seductive way.
I said, truthfully,that I only brought enough cash for R&T.She surprised me by saying she'd take a cheque to cover the difference.
Writing the cheque gave away my name but it was ok.I made the cheque to "cash" but was surprised to see she'd endorsed it with her real name.
This was when cancelled cheques came with your bank statements.Actually,it was probly closer to 15 yrs ago.
I said, truthfully,that I only brought enough cash for R&T.She surprised me by saying she'd take a cheque to cover the difference.
Writing the cheque gave away my name but it was ok.I made the cheque to "cash" but was surprised to see she'd endorsed it with her real name.
This was when cancelled cheques came with your bank statements.Actually,it was probly closer to 15 yrs ago.
With a check to an escort for services, you have put down written proof that you have seen an escort. Paid an Escort. Right now under Bill C-36 that is illegal for a john to obtain services. You have just left a paper trail back to yourself.... F**ken Stupid......
I had the misfortune of seeing a lady shortly after she was "dine and dashed" on. Seeing someone in that kind of distress gives you an understanding of what they go through. Angel's description is as good as words can describe.
Just a comment on paying for sexual services.
Yes he left prof he saw a SP
But not that he payed for sex . Unless he admited it there is not much they could prove .he payed for companionship and any thing else is between two consenting adults.. .
That's the story.
Yes he left prof he saw a SP
But not that he payed for sex . Unless he admited it there is not much they could prove .he payed for companionship and any thing else is between two consenting adults.. .
That's the story.
He did not pay for companionship or anything else,---- he gave her a NSF cheque.... That's the story..
You should read the OP post that explains it -- oh wait, you are the OP.
Even if it was for a payment for service, don't think it will have that memo on the check itself.
He simply wrote a bad check.
Don't think it is a crime in Canada to write a bad check. Maybe a ding on his credit file.
In any case, feel sorry for the lady.
Although I'd recommend for your sake just say payment must be made upfront in no form other than cash, then you won't open up a can of worms like that. See link here -- https://www.quora.com/If-I-have-sex-with-a-prostitute-and-dont-pay-her-is-it-illegal
Consent can be conditional. Here's an easier example: a woman consents to sex with a guy she thinks is her boyfriend but turns out to be his identical twin. She consented to the act, but the twin was nonetheless found guilty of sexual assault:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp...-twin-subject-of-assault-case/article1320974/
First problem with that link is it refers to the United States. In Canada for us Prostitution is not illegal, only illegal for you to purchase. We will not be arrested for prostitution as the article says but you may be.
I agree with the lovely Lady Companion "Absolutely. Based on principal. If your intention was to exploit me, then I will go out of my way to ensure that you know I won't stand for that."
I also don't accept checks and am also fighting a few charge backs on credit cards. I pursue them to every extent possible.
This thread does remind me of a time when I did, in a sense, pay by cheque a few times over a period of years. This tale is really going to make me sound old though ;-(
I remember going to the Penthouse on Seymour back when there would be several tables with working girls waiting for a customer to invite them over to their table. This was before the internet so the only options for these girls was either hang out in clubs like the Penthouse or work the street. It was also before the time of cash machines (ATMs). Some of you young pups may think that ATMs have been around since electric lighting, but that is far from the case. They did not become common until the late 80s in Vancouver. So I can remember meeting a girl at the Penthouse but not having enough cash to complete the transaction so to speak. I may have purposely come to the club without enough cash in the hope of preventing myself from spending money I would regret in the morning. But then the girl would let me know that Ross Filippone, the manager and one owners of the club, would gladly accept my cheque in exchange for cash, though he would tack on an additional amount for his trouble.
Ahh - those were the good old days. It was exciting to enter the club not knowing what the selection would be like and slowly sipping a beer while perusing the ladies available that night before making your choice. Much more exciting I must say than looking at pics on LeoList. And there was no worries of fake pics and or the types of scams so common today. What you saw was what you got
What is also interesting is that a a trip to the ladies place usually set you back about $100. You can get a similar service today for about $200 I would estimate. Since we are talking the mid to late 80's, that is very little inflation over 35 years. Especially when you consider a house went from $250K to $2.5 million in about the same time. So we should be paying $1000 instead of $200. Obviously not enough Chinese are coming to Vancouver to buy the services of our ladies, unlike our houses ;-(
JD
I remember going to the Penthouse on Seymour back when there would be several tables with working girls waiting for a customer to invite them over to their table. This was before the internet so the only options for these girls was either hang out in clubs like the Penthouse or work the street. It was also before the time of cash machines (ATMs). Some of you young pups may think that ATMs have been around since electric lighting, but that is far from the case. They did not become common until the late 80s in Vancouver. So I can remember meeting a girl at the Penthouse but not having enough cash to complete the transaction so to speak. I may have purposely come to the club without enough cash in the hope of preventing myself from spending money I would regret in the morning. But then the girl would let me know that Ross Filippone, the manager and one owners of the club, would gladly accept my cheque in exchange for cash, though he would tack on an additional amount for his trouble.
Ahh - those were the good old days. It was exciting to enter the club not knowing what the selection would be like and slowly sipping a beer while perusing the ladies available that night before making your choice. Much more exciting I must say than looking at pics on LeoList. And there was no worries of fake pics and or the types of scams so common today. What you saw was what you got
What is also interesting is that a a trip to the ladies place usually set you back about $100. You can get a similar service today for about $200 I would estimate. Since we are talking the mid to late 80's, that is very little inflation over 35 years. Especially when you consider a house went from $250K to $2.5 million in about the same time. So we should be paying $1000 instead of $200. Obviously not enough Chinese are coming to Vancouver to buy the services of our ladies, unlike our houses ;-(
JD
The Penthouse gave me cash advances on my credit card a couple of times.
The women at the Penthouse and Gary Taylor's were the hottest women of all time.
Re cheques, cancelling them after receiving sexual services is illegal. Consent is conditional, if conditions are changed after the fact, consent is no longer valid.
The women at the Penthouse and Gary Taylor's were the hottest women of all time.
Re cheques, cancelling them after receiving sexual services is illegal. Consent is conditional, if conditions are changed after the fact, consent is no longer valid.
That what I thought. And yet the bank allowed them to cancel the check , actually it was a company check and the but fieancy canceled it by giving some story that it was a fradulent check. Not sure how they figured she got the check and who signed it the hand writing should proved the guy wrote it Not sure how they explained that ,but the bank held it and was investigating my friend for fraud. Screwed up her bank account.
The thing is she went to the telker to depisit tge check and make sure it was good before she would take any money.
But then again she has not persuded it other then talking to the guy a few times.
The thing is she went to the telker to depisit tge check and make sure it was good before she would take any money.
But then again she has not persuded it other then talking to the guy a few times.
there is an atm on every corner,
why would you trust some one who couldn't pull cash out of an atm,
you don't actually have to pay a debt collector, they will fucking hound you for the rest of your life, correct, but if you can live with that, you don't have to pay them
a guy I worked with was hounded relentlessly, but never paid them anything,
a buddy past away now owned his own business, he refused to do work for private individuals.
if they didn't want to pay you they fucking didn't have to.
a story about a big shot lawyer got some renovations in his house, lots of bucks, thumbed his nose at the guy, said he is not paying,
he is a lawyer knows the law, just a prick,
buddy did some checking around you can win all the judgements you want in court, and it gets passed on to a debt collector, for a fee, and same story,
if you can put up with the grief from a debt collector
buddy went back to the house, ripped off all the material he had bought for the house and had receipts for but was not paid for.
made a shit load of mess and damage in the process,
it is almost impossible to get money out of someone, if there a prick and don't give a shit,
why would you trust some one who couldn't pull cash out of an atm,
you don't actually have to pay a debt collector, they will fucking hound you for the rest of your life, correct, but if you can live with that, you don't have to pay them
a guy I worked with was hounded relentlessly, but never paid them anything,
a buddy past away now owned his own business, he refused to do work for private individuals.
if they didn't want to pay you they fucking didn't have to.
a story about a big shot lawyer got some renovations in his house, lots of bucks, thumbed his nose at the guy, said he is not paying,
he is a lawyer knows the law, just a prick,
buddy did some checking around you can win all the judgements you want in court, and it gets passed on to a debt collector, for a fee, and same story,
if you can put up with the grief from a debt collector
buddy went back to the house, ripped off all the material he had bought for the house and had receipts for but was not paid for.
made a shit load of mess and damage in the process,
it is almost impossible to get money out of someone, if there a prick and don't give a shit,
Riza, in practical terms you are right but technically earning money by providing sexual services has been a criminal offence in Canada since the Conservative bastards passed their new law, PCEPA. The lying Conservatives sold it as not criminalizing sex workers but what they did is criminalize sex workers then grant them immunity from prosecution. I don't know what the practical difference is but I am guessing that it gives police powers to investigate that they would not have if sex workers had been exepted from the law rather than made immune to prosecution. Being Conservative lying bastards doesn't mean not being smart about how you do it. Sex workers are given Immunity to the law, not the Exception that others are given.
It is much to the credit if Canadian police that they have largely had the good sense and decency to not enforce some very bad laws.
286.1 (1) Everyone who, in any place, obtains for consideration, or communicates with anyone for the purpose of obtaining for consideration, the sexual services of a person is guilty ...
286.2 (1) Everyone who receives a financial or other material benefit, knowing that it is obtained by or derived directly or indirectly from the commission of an offence under subsection 286.1(1), is guilty ...
Immunity — material benefit and advertising
286.5 (1) No person shall be prosecuted for (a) an offence under section 286.2 if the benefit is derived from the provision of their own sexual services...
Exception
286.2 (4) Subject to subsection (5), subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to a person who receives the benefit
(a) in the context of a legitimate living arrangement ... ;
(b) as a result of a legal or moral obligation ... ;
(c) in consideration for a service or good ... ; or
(d) in consideration for a service or good ... .
Seems like he's digging himself deeper. Falsely claiming fraud is, itself fraud. And damaging her credit rating is akin to libel. If she wanted to pursue it, damages are now potentially an option.
A number of years ago, an SP that I'd been seeing regularly told me that in about a 10 day period she had a guy she considered a regular ( didn't ask for payment up front ) dine and dash. Another customer paid her in counterfeit U.S. 100 dollar bills. A third customer paid her in some out dated Eastern European currency that the bank refused to exchange. A far as the third instance, she readily admitted that it was on her for accepting the out dated currency.
This thread raised the question, at least for me, how prevalent is SP's getting ripped off by clients?
This thread raised the question, at least for me, how prevalent is SP's getting ripped off by clients?
What she said . Principal ... but no I cannot imagine taking a cheque and not expect problems .
. Principal ... but no I cannot imagine taking a cheque and not expect problems .
