Is it just me or have prices risen substantial in Vancouver

[PierreCoeur]

I think it's time to retire from this hobby when some of the ladies I hoped to see one day have gone so high with their prices that I am dropping them off my wish list.

It's not that I can't afford to see them as my own salary has risen by 150%, but it's more that I think $460 per hour and up in price is not equivalent the pleasure I get in return. Here is how I see it, and I have actually been doing this as of late, not often but at least once every month during the past year. I have gone up to homeless people who I believe are down on his luck, look them in the eye to see if they might be doing drugs and if it appears they aren't I hand them a fifty or one hundred dollar bill. Days later I am still feeling good about it. But when I lay out dollars for a service provider, no matter how they treat me, the moment of feeling good really only lasts a few minutes.

I have been incredibly lucky during the last 6 years, having gone from unemployed for two and a half years to gainfully employed - purchased a two bedroom new condo with no need for a mortgage and a brand new sports car for cash. So to me there has to be value in the experiences I have and I don't get that any longer from some of the high end talent in this City. When I visit Toronto about once or twice a year similar talent and beauty is getting $300 to $360 tops. I know some of the ladies here are super sweet, very beautiful and get high praise from the guys who book them, but somehow I have decided my wish list is much different than the wish list I had three years ago.

Wondering if other guys have come to the same conclusion about the happy pleasure they get and how it has kind of changed for them over time. Or is just me thinking some have priced themselves out of our market. It really doesn't matter because I have always said and defended that SP's should charge whatever they want and we really shouldn't be complaining about it. And I hope they don't take it as a complaint. It is more about me and where I am in my head.

If I am going to be generous = it needs to be with a return in feeling good about myself. Random thoughts and wondering if others have such thoughts.

 

[Addison Cortez]

I can relate, in a way, to this. I was also homeless two years ago. I give out paper money now to those homeless people you mention that need it. It's a very satisfying feeling to know that you helped someone that needs it and respectfully appreciates it. There is one particular young man in this city that cleans the sidewalks daily. I see him every time I go into town. He never asks for anything, ever. He even has a hard time accepting "tips". When people give it to him, he actually bows and thanks them. He kept getting asked what he was up to, when he first started, because he is such a hard worker that it could seem he is on drugs but he isn't, his eyes and skin are clean and bright and he is happy to do the work for the city.... literally, our best city worker is unemployed....

I'm in Kamloops but I know how your seeing things differently through the looking glass

 

[LoadShooter]

I agree with alot of what you said man. I know that living costs are high in this city and SPs want to charge alot to cover that and because there are some rich guys in the city that can afford the high prices, but eventually each person has to decide how to best spend their own money. In the end it comes down to supply and demand, and whether the demand will still be there after the increase in price of the supply.

Personally, the higher cost of this hobby just has me making more efforts to have sex away from this industry. There are still women in this city who enjoy having sex with men without getting paid for it. We as man just have to make that effort to get out and meet those women. The increased cost here has me more inclined to engage in hobby overseas where the pricing is much more affordable as well.

 

[sybian]

I can relate, in a way, to this. I was also homeless two years ago. I give out paper money now to those homeless people you mention that need it. It's a very satisfying feeling to know that you helped someone that needs it and respectfully appreciates it. There is one particular young man in this city that cleans the sidewalks daily. I see him every time I go into town. He never asks for anything, ever. He even has a hard time accepting "tips". When people give it to him, he actually bows and thanks them. He kept getting asked what he was up to, when he first started, because he is such a hard worker that it could seem he is on drugs but he isn't, his eyes and skin are clean and bright and he is happy to do the work for the city.... literally, our best city worker is unemployed....

I'm in Kamloops but I know how your seeing things differently through the looking glass

You know.....I've seen him too, downtown around Tranquille if I remember right.

I'll give a person I figure is down on their luck money once in a while....When I was a very different man, fighting someone else's war, there were an awful lot of people who were starving around the military compounds, and we had plenty to eat, shit they were throwing it out by the bag full.
Women with kids was the one that bothered me most, and there were lots of them.
I helped as many as I could...and there are some, to this very day, I wonder what became of them.

 

[Addison Cortez]

You know.....I've seen him too, downtown around Tranquille if I remember right.

I'll give a person I figure is down on their luck money once in a while....When I was a very different man, fighting someone else's war, there were an awful lot of people who were starving around the military compounds, and we had plenty to eat, shit they were throwing it out by the bag full.
Women with kids was the one that bothered me most, and there were lots of them.
I helped as many as I could...and there are some, to this very day, I wonder what became of them.

Fortunately, we have been blessed with some great private "non-profit" organizations, here in Kamloops. I am not aware of what most other cities are doing..
I mean, in all fairness, if someone with the shakes came up to me asking for money I ask if they wanna hand me money for free, but when someone is really trying, it shows...

 

[GrandMarnier]

Yes. I too have noticed that there has been a price increase with many of the ladies in the past year or so. You have to think that as a business (and some are looking at it as a business), cost have gone up so it's understandable that fees has to go up as well.

Then there are some SPs who won't raise their rates (even though they can) because they say $300/hr is a lot of money already (and it is). So they would rather make do with less and enjoy what they do than to count every dollar. We all do what we do for our own reasons. I don't stop seeing an SP just because she raised her rate. I would just "tip" the ones who didn't because I appreciate the gesture.

As for giving back. I believe in helping when there's an effort made. I don't give to panhandlers (except around Christmas time) but I do go out of my way to give slightly larger amounts to the sqeegy kid or the kids working the sidewalk for Doctors without borders etc. There was a grade school kid who came to my door with his parent selling chocolate bars for a school trip. He had put so much effort into the "sales pitch", I asked his parent whose idea was it for the story? She said the idea was all his. I bought up the whole lot and gave him an extra $200. I hope it made an impression to the young boy that if you go the extra mile, people with be there to help you succeed.

 

[Equity Market investor]

I have noticed the high increase as well. Actually, for a while now. Some people seem to think that just because housing prices are rising in value here in the greater Vancouver area, money trees are growing in the back yard along with it. That rise in value also equates to higher fees all around. You buy what you can afford, cut costs wherever but....inflation is inflation and expenses keep rising!!

We all know greater Van isn't a cheap and I don't believe it will get any cheaper by any stretch of the means. Today, bank of Canada raised interest rates for the 1st time since 2009 and more hikes are expected. Housing is about to be more expensive for many and people won't like the new sticker shocks they are about to see when renewal is due.

I often wonder where many obtain monetary funds when I see them spend like no tomorrow

 

[Cock Throppled]

Vancouver has become a city for the wealthy. If the prices have gone up, it means there are enough guys with money to pay it.

Frankly, if you're laundering money, or the source is unlimited, who cares what you choose to pay? We see that with housing and property. Money doesn't have value for a lot of people when there's an endless supply.

That said - the pleasure from an SP is rarely proportional to the amount paid. The best times I've ever had with SP's have been at the lower mid range. BY FAR, the most disappointing have been the most expensive.

 

[take8easy]

Three certainties of life.: Death, Taxes and inflation. When I started three and a half years ago, norm was 200-250. Now it is 250-300 and premium ladies charging an arm and a leg along with their regular rates as well. I know what you mean when you say you want to quit, I want to quit too, well, my wallets wants me to ... but screw my wallet ... This is how I plan to do it now. In the past, I saw over 2 girls a month for an average of one every two weeks. I have decided to do it once every three weeks. It still remains to be seen if I can pull it off because we are only about two and a half weeks into 2018

But on a serious note, just look around yourself, everything costs more e.g. whipping cream, wine, lube, condoms, lingerie, dildos, vibrators, ..... milk, bananas, peaches...

 

[ndillinger]

I think it's time to retire from this hobby when some of the ladies I hoped to see one day have gone so high with their prices that I am dropping them off my wish list.

It's not that I can't afford to see them as my own salary has risen by 150%, but it's more that I think $460 per hour and up in price is not equivalent the pleasure I get in return. Here is how I see it, and I have actually been doing this as of late, not often but at least once every month during the past year. I have gone up to homeless people who I believe are down on his luck, look them in the eye to see if they might be doing drugs and if it appears they aren't I hand them a fifty or one hundred dollar bill. Days later I am still feeling good about it. But when I lay out dollars for a service provider, no matter how they treat me, the moment of feeling good really only lasts a few minutes.

I have been incredibly lucky during the last 6 years, having gone from unemployed for two and a half years to gainfully employed - purchased a two bedroom new condo with no need for a mortgage and a brand new sports car for cash. So to me there has to be value in the experiences I have and I don't get that any longer from some of the high end talent in this City.

Then don't visit and donate to the expensive SPs. I've never donated more that $300/hr, and there are plenty of good looking and well reviewed ladies that provide fun enjoyable experiences without charging an arm & a leg.

Have less guult. Give to charities that help out the local community.

 

[afreet1444]

Yes Pierre it's crazy now after I had disappeared for 4 years things have changed in terms of high rates. Good news is there are gorgeous ladies with decent rates just like what ndillinger said.
For me 250 to 300 is the fair rate.

 

[felixthecat]

my own salary has risen by 150%

I have been incredibly lucky during the last 6 years, having gone from unemployed for two and a half years to gainfully employed - purchased a two bedroom new condo with no need for a mortgage and a brand new sports car for cash.

You are doing it wrong Pierre. You can complain about the rates or boast about your successes, but not in the same post. It kind of destroys your point.

To borrow a comparison from Warren Buffet, how do your contribution to the society and your sacrifices compare to those of a solder who's risking his life regularly for a modest pay?
Life is not fair. When you benefit from that (good for you), it is not very convincing to blame somebody for also getting what the market is offering to them.

And no, the rates did not rise much recently. There was a sharp increase about two years ago, and that's it iirc.
Everything above 300/hr is still mostly due to advanced marketing. You are not missing much if you skip them, there is someone similar at a lower range if you don't mind the effort of searching.

 

[Elmore]

It is not just the price escorts charge that makes this activity less affordable...it is the cost of everything else including the cost of gas to drive there. It is expensive to live here. I would suggest that the cost to rent an incall for many SPs has gone up more than what they may have increased rates by.

But the reality is that the overall cost of living has gone up faster than wages which means we have to give up something and with many guys spending north of 10K after taxes on this it makes sense to reconsider how much if anything to spend in this industry.

I would hope every pooner is making 6 figures because it isn't easy to live in Van on 100K even without spending money on escorts. I can't imagine how the guys married with kids do it.

 

[UhOh]

There are some girls I'd like to see but $300 is my limit so I simply won't be seeing them. They can charge what they like and good for them if they can get it.

 

[Addison Cortez]

You are doing it wrong Pierre. You can complain about the rates or boast about your successes, but not in the same post. It kind of destroys your point.

To borrow a comparison from Warren Buffet, how do your contribution to the society and your sacrifices compare to those of a solder who's risking his life regularly for a modest pay?
Life is not fair. When you benefit from that (good for you), it is not very convincing to blame somebody for also getting what the market is offering to them.

And no, the rates did not rise much recently. There was a sharp increase about two years ago, and that's it iirc.
Everything above 300/hr is still mostly due to advanced marketing. You are not missing much if you skip them, there is someone similar at a lower range if you don't mind the effort of searching.

I think the point trying to be made here, is from a morality vs efforts standpoint not a financial one and he clearly stated that it is not a complaint against SP that have raised the rates.

Just trying to keep this in focus because I am very interested in this conversation.

 

[felixthecat]

I think the point trying to be made here, is from a morality vs efforts standpoint not a financial one and he clearly stated that it is not a complaint against SP that have raised the rates.

Google tells me
"complain, v. - express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event ..."

I believe OP expressed dissatisfaction about the prices going out of his comfort zone. It is a complaint then (not against SPs, true).

I actually read Pierre as a good person and like his posts. Didn't mean to come hard on him.

On topic, I'd say paying SP what she asks is not "being generous". It's a voluntary participation in a luxury service market.

When somebody buys a diamond ring in a jewelry store, is he being generous? The store could sell the ring for half the price and still make profit (which they do on Boxing Day).

Same here. There is absolutely a moral aspect, are you going to spend your money on luxury goods or services, or share with people in need?

From that aspect, it's natural to set a limit on your luxury spending.
As a thought experiment years ago, I imagined I could earn three times as much as now (two times after tax); how would my spending change?
Not that much I figured. It didn't make sense from either econimic or moral standpoint to spend much more on myself if I was happy already.

As a related thought, extra money is not making people happier after some (not very high) threshold. That's another vibe I got from the OP's post.

 

[downtownboy30]

Then don't visit and donate to the expensive SPs. I've never donated more that $300/hr, and there are plenty of good looking and well reviewed ladies that provide fun enjoyable experiences without charging an arm & a leg.

Agree. I too have set my limit at $300 and there are enough ladies at or below $300 to satisfy my needs.

 

[Addison Cortez]

Google tells me
"complain, v. - express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event ..."

I believe OP expressed dissatisfaction about the prices going out of his comfort zone. It is a complaint then (not against SPs, true).

I actually read Pierre as a good person and like his posts. Didn't mean to come hard on him.

On topic, I'd say paying SP what she asks is not "being generous". It's a voluntary participation in a luxury service market.

When somebody buys a diamond ring in a jewelry store, is he being generous? The store could sell the ring for half the price and still make profit (which they do on Boxing Day).

Same here. There is absolutely a moral aspect, are you going to spend your money on luxury goods or services, or share with people in need?

From that aspect, it's natural to set a limit on your luxury spending.
As a thought experiment years ago, I imagined I could earn three times as much as now (two times after tax); how would my spending change?
Not that much I figured. It didn't make sense from either econimic or moral standpoint to spend much more on myself if I was happy already.

As a related thought, extra money is not making people happier after some (not very high) threshold. That's another vibe I got from the OP's post.

I see your point. Thank you