Whats up with these R&T prices?

[summerbreeze]

Browsing for new potential SP's for a new R&T experience and can't help but get annoyed when I see ridiculously high prices for JUST a massage and a handjob. Like who is paying $160-200+/hr for that? If they were offering oral or something else I would understand, but the problem is they are not.

A 1 hour massage is worth $60, even by a Certified massage therapist. That's a good deep tissue massage. An RMT is worth about $80/hr, and i'm talking about the ones who work from home, just the same as all these SP's. And both CMT's and RMT's spent time to get formal training to get their credentials. I highly doubt these overpriced SP's have got professional massage training. So literally they are selling handjobs for over $120-140+. Ridiculous

curious thread, not sure if you really want to know why some prices are what they are or just whining about higher prices

its known as a market economy, combined with a bohemian market sector (or cottage industry)

providers have a range of services and a range of business sophistication, doesn't mean they have a sustainable business but its a free country and there is free advertising so you will have a wide range of offerings

agree, disagree, its called the real world and while there are some very astute business minds among our provider community, you also have the opposite, those learning on the job and picking up what business they can given their service abilities, value propositions, and business acumen

would't go to a flea market and try and compare the vendors to walmart......

 

[morementum]

Well I am nice and respectful but I do not buy overpriced services. It seems like your definition of 'nice respectful' means filthy rich.

Nah, it typically means stupid and have not a clue. Market prices are set by behaviours and if the men of Vancouver and surrounds pay $150 for R/T then that is what it will cost. If they only are willing to pay $80, then the price will be that but the supply may change. Simply economics but in Vancouver it seems there are more people willing to pay above reasonable in terms of compare to most other services and even similar services across similar cities but that is the market. I have noticed an almost inverse relationship between price and service and part of that is the highest prices are used to the most gullible men it would appear. Not always are never a rule for this stuff but quite often it appears.

 

[apl16]

Just my limited experience. A good attitude and being a regular can have an effect on price.

 

[moflavors]

It's pretty obvious that there are conflicts of interest influencing comments here. SPs charging big bucks will always push the envelope of pricing until a wall is hit in terms of business. And the inverse is also true. My belief is that many men in this market are too easily led down the path of putting the p on a pedestal for a variety of reasons and this is bad for the client side. I personally enjoy typcally excellent experiences in this area with young sweet giving engaged providers 30 min between a low of 60 and high of 85 all in. And that 85 includes pretty much the full pull experience in terms of we are both showering off post massage. I am always greeted with a smile and hug on return visits so my patronage at these rates is appreciated. FYI in hong kong the most unaffordable city around,$80 cad is the going rate for 30 min full with young 20 y o very nice companionship. Just YouTube the Fuji pbuilding for an idea about that.

 

[PerbMod]

This thread is starting to cross the line, insults, trolling and general nastiness. Keep it clean and it stays open. Keep it up as is, and it will be closed down.

 

[Warl0ck]

The topic of price is always debated on these forums and certain pooners are "basement price" guys whose primary focus is on the cost of the session. They want escort quality, hooker prices. As with all businesses, vendors find their market. People who use cheap Android phones will badmouth Apple for the high cost of the iPhone. Apple doesn't care about them (in fact Apple offered a cheaper iPhone and it was a flop). Whole Foods is successful because it targets clientele willing to part with their money for healthier food. Whole Foods isn't trying to lure the Superstore client over.

It's not any different in the sex trade. Women set their prices in the market. As a person who lived this world every day for years (as a male) one thing was clear. If a woman set her restrictions and prices and stuck to them she would attract a certain type of client. She would find a client base that suited her. If she wavered from her standards she'd attract a different type of clientele. The last thing you want is to attract tire kickers who are looking for the best deal. It's a race to the bottom and in the end no one wins. The customer looking for the best deal will always want more, has no loyalty and is often very one sided in the business transaction.

 

[Celeres]

People who use cheap Android phones will badmouth Apple for the high cost of the iPhone.

I laughed out loud when I read this. You realize Apple hires Samsung to manufacture the parts for iPhones, right? They are over priced because Apple has very good marketing skills, not superior products.

 

[burcs]

The topic of price is always debated on these forums and certain pooners are "basement price" guys whose primary focus is on the cost of the session.

Probably 90% of the pooners here, which isn't an issue, until they can't get it through their thick skulls that the prices are what they are, and from there on out we end up beating a dead horse.

 

[Warl0ck]

I laughed out loud when I read this. You realize Apple hires Samsung to manufacture the parts for iPhones, right? They are over priced because Apple has very good marketing skills, not superior products.

And I'd retort it's clear you don't understand the chain of manufacturing in the smart phone market. The development of a chip is different from the manufacture of it. And Apple uses TSMC as their chip manufacture not Samsung. But all that aside Apple is a software company. The esthetics of the iPhone aside, the Apple ecosystem is superior to that of the Android. Whether it's usability, the UI, their Cloud, etc. Apple is superior. And on the topic of security Android doesn't even come close. Yes, there are 0 days for Apple products. And there is a list as long as my arm of vulnerabilities on Android, many of them still unpatched by the vendors. On the cheap end of Android the products are essentially "junk" from a security standpoint. And I'm not an Apple fanboy.

 

[summerbreeze]

without wishing to get into a flame war, I will however suggest to Celeres that Warlock is correct, you do not understand the smart phone manufacturing business nor the platform strategies the software companies who dominate that space utilize

trying to ridicule someone's comment because you don't agree with it is not supporting your position that prices are out of wack, the person who has to shoot the messenger because they can't deal intelligently with the message is a sign that you have lost that discussion

we live in a democracy, a free country and markets are free to put their products or services into the market at whatever price point they want
if successful at reaching their targeted market, they will earn a share of that market. since markets segment as the consumer becomes more sophisticated, niches will be targeted and of course certain markets become commodities and will be dominated by the lowest cost producer

a commodity is when the different products in that category can no longer be distinguished from each other, with no differentiation, price becomes the dominant value proposition. pricing becomes a function of a cost plus model vs value priced

in this particular industry the range of service offering and experience is quite large, as such would not expect other than the bottom end for it to become the equivalent of a commodity

longer term providers will seek niches of loyal customers which they can be good at and of course, you have the newbies coming into the business who are all over the map in terms of offerings, pricing, and quality of services

think the question you asked is more of a discussion of free market economics and from the examples you give of what price point you think things should be show a lack of market understanding, why not just let it go and learn that markets will have diversity rather than laughing at replies you don't agree with

with regard to this thread you might as well have asked what is up with bicycle prices, why are people paying $5,000 for a bicycle when you can get one at canadian tire for $75

 

[MissingOne]

I paid about the same for my Android phone as I did for the most recent R&T I had. Both cost about $160. In both cases I figure I got good value.

In terms of summerbreeze's market analysis, I guess the phone is a commodity item. Price was a determining factor. It's a drugstore off-brand. It works.

For the R&T on the other hand, I chose to see a particular provider, based on her service, personality and location. Price was not a determining factor.

 

[sdw]

And I'd retort it's clear you don't understand the chain of manufacturing in the smart phone market. The development of a chip is different from the manufacture of it. And Apple uses TSMC as their chip manufacture not Samsung. But all that aside Apple is a software company. The esthetics of the iPhone aside, the Apple ecosystem is superior to that of the Android. Whether it's usability, the UI, their Cloud, etc. Apple is superior. And on the topic of security Android doesn't even come close. Yes, there are 0 days for Apple products. And there is a list as long as my arm of vulnerabilities on Android, many of them still unpatched by the vendors. On the cheap end of Android the products are essentially "junk" from a security standpoint. And I'm not an Apple fanboy.

On Friday I'll be taking a friend and his iPhone to the Apple Store. He was in the Hospital, forgot his passcode and tried all of the passwords that he could think of. The iPhone bricked itself. Hopefully, the Apple Store will be able to un-brick his iPhone. My Samsung J3, on the other hand, does not require a passcode to operate. Sure, I could set it up so that it was "secure", but I don't keep my whole life on my smartphone.

The "superiority" that you refer to is based on the user. If the user has iTunes on a computer at home, syncs the iPhone daily and stores their data on the iCloud - the Apple iPhone may be better and more secure for that user. If the user is a Luddite, just expects a phone to work, an iPhone is likely not the best answer.

iPhone or Android phone, it the user is one of the people that has never seen a link that they won't click - no smartphone is completely secure. Because the iPhone dominates the smartphone market, there is a whole series of exploits that are aimed at the iPhone. In fact, when the US Justice Department wanted to get into an iPhone that they had bricked, and couldn't get Apple to hack the phone for them - they hired a hacker who gained access fairly easily with "hackers R Us" tools that are commonly available.

 

[ddcanz]

without wishing to get into a flame war, I will however suggest to Celeres that Warlock is correct, you do not understand the smart phone manufacturing business nor the platform strategies the software companies who dominate that space utilize

trying to ridicule someone's comment because you don't agree with it is not supporting your position that prices are out of wack, the person who has to shoot the messenger because they can't deal intelligently with the message is a sign that you have lost that discussion

we live in a democracy, a free country and markets are free to put their products or services into the market at whatever price point they want
if successful at reaching their targeted market, they will earn a share of that market. since markets segment as the consumer becomes more sophisticated, niches will be targeted and of course certain markets become commodities and will be dominated by the lowest cost producer

a commodity is when the different products in that category can no longer be distinguished from each other, with no differentiation, price becomes the dominant value proposition. pricing becomes a function of a cost plus model vs value priced

in this particular industry the range of service offering and experience is quite large, as such would not expect other than the bottom end for it to become the equivalent of a commodity

longer term providers will seek niches of loyal customers which they can be good at and of course, you have the newbies coming into the business who are all over the map in terms of offerings, pricing, and quality of services

think the question you asked is more of a discussion of free market economics and from the examples you give of what price point you think things should be show a lack of market understanding, why not just let it go and learn that markets will have diversity rather than laughing at replies you don't agree with

with regard to this thread you might as well have asked what is up with bicycle prices, why are people paying $5,000 for a bicycle when you can get one at canadian tire for $75

All great points- and the bicycle analogy is perfect- unfortunately some people will never get the real picture.
Marketing strategies aside- an SP can charge whatever the fuck she wants- if someone doesn't like it then just move on to another that better suits.
Just another example of an inane thread where the OP stubbornly refuses to accept valid counterpoints - and ultimately- REALITY.
Although I'm not sure why I continue to follow this blather......endlessly.....

 

[summerbreeze]

the android vs apple smart phone conversation is an interesting one

basically an open system vs an integrated closed system, both have their good points and disadvantages

two things about apple to note, suspect quality has suffered since Steve Jobs passed away, the other is that they have gotten so arrogant in terms of their distribution partners, suppliers, and third party developers that almost everyone is rooting for Samsung who are steadily closing the gap in terms of overall value proposition

along with any general market conversation I think it is fair to take the consumer into account, are they loyal customers or are they fickle and change or shop around constantly switching brands over small price differences or are they a loyal following you can build multi generational offerings to

in terms of the pooner demographic and industry, some are loyal and stick to their known and equally loyal providers

others enjoy the hunt and through trial and error search for those gems out there who meet their specific needs

successful providers get overwhelmed with traffic and over time either burn out or raise prices to regulate traffic, when they burn out quality suffers

logically when you find something that meets your needs you will likely want it to gradually improve due to comfort level with the provider and prefer she doesn't burn out with too much traffic, this likely will take the form of gradual price increase until the traffic is manageable

it doesn't surprise me that for the combination of a great massage, seductive release, and good chemistry with an attractive provider possibly younger if that is your thing that the price should match what they could earn for the same hour doing full service

more effort is required for a decent massage

if someone out there wants this and is willing to pay for it, it doesn't mean they are overpaying, it simply means that it is worth it to them to experience that particular offering

 

[P_e_r_b]

You could have a jerk off jar instead of swear jar.

Pay yourself every time you jerk off and save up to see a SP.

Oops... I misread that. I've been collecting everything in a jar... you meant the money.... :bounce: ... I'll get it right sooner or later... anyone want a slightly used jar?

 

[Celeres]

And I'd retort it's clear you don't understand the chain of manufacturing in the smart phone market. The development of a chip is different from the manufacture of it. And Apple uses TSMC as their chip manufacture not Samsung. But all that aside Apple is a software company. The esthetics of the iPhone aside, the Apple ecosystem is superior to that of the Android. Whether it's usability, the UI, their Cloud, etc. Apple is superior. And on the topic of security Android doesn't even come close. Yes, there are 0 days for Apple products. And there is a list as long as my arm of vulnerabilities on Android, many of them still unpatched by the vendors. On the cheap end of Android the products are essentially "junk" from a security standpoint. And I'm not an Apple fanboy.

If you compare specs from high end android phones to the latest iphone, you will see android blows iPhones out of the water. Also, what is superior about not being able to customise your phone? The Samsung Galaxy S7 came out in March and the Iphone 7 came out in September and even though the iPhone came out half a year LATER, Samsung Galaxy S7 blows it out of the water in EVERY aspect. I also included the price of each phone, the samsung is not only more powerful, but it's $200 cheaper too! Not only do iPhones cost you more, but you get less.

Please, compare the specs and explain again to me what is so superior about your iPhones.

Here, look at these specs for actual facts:

Samsung Galaxy S7: ($700)

DISPLAY - Type Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 5.1 inches (~72.1% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 1440 x 2560 pixels (~577 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 4
- Always-on display
- TouchWiz UI

PLATFORM - OS Android OS, v6.0 (Marshmallow), upgradable to v7.0 (Nougat)
Chipset Exynos 8890 Octa
CPU Octa-core (4x2.3 GHz Mongoose & 4x1.6 GHz Cortex-A53)
GPU Mali-T880 MP12

MEMORY - Card slot microSD, up to 256 GB (dedicated slot) - single-SIM model (G930F, G930W8)
microSD, up to 256 GB (uses SIM 2 slot) - dual-SIM model (G930FD)
Internal 32/64 GB, 4 GB RAM

CAMERA - Primary 12 MP, f/1.7, 26mm, phase detection autofocus, OIS, LED flash, check quality
Features 1/2.5" sensor size, 1.4 µm pixel size, geo-tagging, simultaneous 4K video and 9MP image recording, touch focus, face/smile detection, Auto HDR, panorama
Video 2160p@30fps, 1080p@60fps, 720p@240fps, HDR, dual-video rec., check quality
Secondary 5 MP, 1/4.1" sensor size, 1.34 µm pixel size, f/1.7, 22mm, dual video call, Auto HDR

BATTERY - Non-removable Li-Ion 3000 mAh battery
Talk time Up to 22 h (3G)
Music play Up to 62 h



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Iphone 7: ($900)_

DISPLAY - Type LED-backlit IPS LCD, capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 4.7 inches (~65.6% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 750 x 1334 pixels (~326 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Ion-strengthened glass, oleophobic coating
- Wide color gamut display
- 3D Touch display & home button
- Display Zoom


PLATFORM - OS iOS 10.0.1, upgradable to iOS 10.2
Chipset Apple A10 Fusion
CPU Quad-core 2.34 GHz (2x Hurricane + 2x Zephyr)
GPU PowerVR Series7XT Plus (six-core graphics)


MEMORY - Card slot No
Internal 32/128/256 GB, GB, 2 GB RAM


CAMERA - Primary 12 MP, f/1.8, 28mm, phase detection autofocus, OIS, quad-LED (dual tone) flash, check quality
Features 1/3" sensor size, geo-tagging, simultaneous 4K video and 8MP image recording, touch focus, face/smile detection, HDR (photo/panorama)
Video 2160p@30fps, 1080p@30/60/120fps, 720p@240fps, check quality
Secondary 7 MP, f/2.2, 32mm, 1080p@30fps, 720p@240fps, face detection, HDR, panorama


BATTERY Non-removable Li-Ion 1960 mAh battery (7.45 Wh)
Talk time Up to 14 h (3G)
Music play Up to 40 h

 

[summerbreeze]

Think iPhone 7plus is the top apple phone right now

 

[summerbreeze]

Way off topic anyway, feels like you just like to come out with a provocative statement and pick arguments with the folks who reply.

Suggest you find another board to play those games. We prefer to review providers here on this board....

 

[escapefromstress]

Oops... I misread that. I've been collecting everything in a jar... you meant the money.... :bounce: ... I'll get it right sooner or later... anyone want a slightly used jar?

Spit my coffee on my keyboard you made me laugh so hard.

:bounce:

 

[PerbMod]

And with these last completely off topic and hijack posts this one is finally closed. Sorry if you don't agree but that's life.