Whats up with these R&T prices?

[Celeres]

Browsing for new potential SP's for a new R&T experience and can't help but get annoyed when I see ridiculously high prices for JUST a massage and a handjob. Like who is paying $160-200+/hr for that? If they were offering oral or something else I would understand, but the problem is they are not.

A 1 hour massage is worth $60, even by a Certified massage therapist. That's a good deep tissue massage. An RMT is worth about $80/hr, and i'm talking about the ones who work from home, just the same as all these SP's. And both CMT's and RMT's spent time to get formal training to get their credentials. I highly doubt these overpriced SP's have got professional massage training. So literally they are selling handjobs for over $120-140+. Ridiculous

 

[Celeres]

In my experience..lots of nice respectful gents pay those "ridiculous" R&T prices..

And this may shock you even further... many tip

Well I am nice and respectful but I do not buy overpriced services. It seems like your definition of 'nice respectful' means filthy rich.

 

[lenny]

R&T

"Rub & Tug" - "R&T": a term used by asian/russian massage parlor customers to describe a full body massage followed by a hand release

"In Chinatown, I went to this independent provider who gave me an 'R&T' for an extra $20 da la!!!"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=R&T

 

[westwoody]

I do not buy overpriced services.

Markets determine prices. You do not.

 

[Celeres]

Markets determine prices. You do not.

There is plenty of SP's I visit that are in the $80-100 range for a 1hr massage with happy ending. Don't tell me I don't determine prices, as a buyer I choose how much I'm willing to spend and what is reasonably priced.

 

[MissingOne]

.. as a buyer I choose how much I'm willing to spend and what is reasonably priced.

Yup, so do I, and while I'm happy to find a good R&T for $100 or less, I'm also quite willing to pay more for commensurate service. In fact, I value my time, so if there's a woman providing good service a five-minute walk away for $160, and another providing a similar service for $100 on the other side of town, I usually go for the five-minute walk.

 

[Celeres]

Yup, so do I, and while I'm happy to find a good R&T for $100 or less, I'm also quite willing to pay more for commensurate service. In fact, I value my time, so if there's a woman providing good service a five-minute walk away for $160, and another providing a similar service for $100 on the other side of town, I usually go for the five-minute walk.

Fair point you have there but paying $60 less and losing 1hr of commute time makes more sense to me. Let me elaborate. You mention you value your time, but time is equal to money. Unless you are making over $60/hr, you are losing more of your time than gaining, by visiting the SP whose $60 more expensive and is within walking distance. Hopefully that made some sense at least.

 

[PerbMod]

Given the comments today about closing threads, I will leave this one alone, even though it is about pricing, again. Provided it stays civil that is.

The going rate for registered/licensed RMTs in BC is 104.50/hr. I know because I was just at one last week and the rates went up Jan 1 according to the sign in the reception area. Tell everyone where a licensed MT is charging 60/hr. Please. For the record as well, if you try to get a happy ending at an RMT, she's likely to call the cops on you, they lose the license for that kind of stuff.

 

[Celeres]

Given the comments today about closing threads, I will leave this one alone, even though it is about pricing, again. Provided it stays civil that is.

The going rate for registered/licensed RMTs in BC is 104.50/hr. I know because I was just at one last week and the rates went up Jan 1 according to the sign in the reception area. Tell everyone where a licensed MT is charging 60/hr. Please. For the record as well, if you try to get a happy ending at an RMT, she's likely to call the cops on you, they lose the license for that kind of stuff.

Yep you are absolutely right about RMT's offical BC rate being $104.50. That is because of the overhead costs associated with leasing out an office and such. I regulary visit my RMT who charges $80/hr and works from home, she doesn't have those overhead costs and hence is able to bring the price down. I was only using that as a comparison since a lot of SP's work from home, however I do understand a select few do rent a seperate place as well.

Here is a few CMT's as requested (ranging from $50-60/hr)

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ths/6018237028.html
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ths/6043707635.html
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ths/6032537513.html

I have visited all 3 and can confirm they all provide an excellent massage, strictly massage though.

In addition, I never mentioned anything about RMT's or CMT's providing happy endings, as I realize they can lose their license. I was strictly using CMT's and RMT's as a basis to establish the market price of a massage, and then be able to deduct from there what the happy ending costs.

 

[Celeres]

Business wise, it would be silly to not jump at the opportunity to make a larger income when given the chance.

Not to be rude, but your lowest rate is $900, is that working business wise? In business, having a lower price but a larger client base as well as repeat clients will typically yield more.

 

[Sexfeverca]

A lower price point will get you more business, but think about the wear and tear.......
Is a human body we are talking about here......

 

[jgg]

I wouldn't be charging what I do if it wasn't working for me Bumping my rates was the best decision I've ever made. My rates were far lower when I first started working in the industry, I didn't jump to where I am now overnight. I was indeed seeing more clients, but that didn't necessarily mean that I was making a larger profit. The type of clientele that I attracted when I was charging less would typically request a shorter date length. This meant that I was working multiple days a week and seeing 2-3 clients per day on average which wasn't working for me. I prefer to see no more than 1 client per day. I was getting tired and was losing interest in working in the industry which eventually led to me going on a 9 month hiatus. When I returned to the industry with a different business model, things changed for the better.

With my current rates, I have a regular clientele base that I adore and get along with very well. I attract a lot of international clientele which has given me the opportunity to meet some incredible individuals that I wouldn't have met otherwise. Gentlemen that are willing to spend what I charge tend to prefer longer, multiple hour engagements. I have the freedom to work fewer days per month, see less clients who want to see me for longer hours and make more profit. I only see 1 client per day on the days when I do work which means I am able to put all my energy into my time with my date. This equals a fun and enjoyable time for both myself and my client. I don't get tired or burnt out from working anymore. Overall, I'm way happier, I genuinely love what I do and I love the freedom that it has given me.

I'm not saying that my way of running my business is the 'best' way or a 'better' way. It's just what works for me. Some ladies prefer shorter engagements, seeing more clients and charging a rate that attracts a broader range of clientele. Others like to see a select few clients over a and offer a rate that targets a specific type of clientele. There's no right or wrong way of running your business, the only right way is the way that works best for you.

Beautiful and intelligent.

 

[escapefromstress]

Browsing for new potential SP's for a new R&T experience and can't help but get annoyed when I see ridiculously high prices for JUST a massage and a handjob. Like who is paying $160-200+/hr for that? If they were offering oral or something else I would understand, but the problem is they are not.

A 1 hour massage is worth $60, even by a Certified massage therapist. That's a good deep tissue massage. An RMT is worth about $80/hr, and i'm talking about the ones who work from home, just the same as all these SP's. And both CMT's and RMT's spent time to get formal training to get their credentials. I highly doubt these overpriced SP's have got professional massage training. So literally they are selling handjobs for over $120-140+. Ridiculous

I used to pay $90 per hour for a relaxation massage at the Best Western Wellness Center in Kelowna ten years ago. Your post is inaccurate.

I used to charge $120 per hour for a massage with HJ happy ending when I worked in BC and still had to turn down hundreds of new potential clients every year because I couldn't keep up.

 

[westwoody]

Not to be rude, but your lowest rate is $900, is that working business wise? In business, having a lower price but a larger client base as well as repeat clients will typically yield more.

That must be why Rolls Royce makes so many economy cars.

 

[summerbreeze]

Not to be rude, but your lowest rate is $900, is that working business wise? In business, having a lower price but a larger client base as well as repeat clients will typically yield more.

It seems you miss two market concepts.

Value is one and market segments is the other

Different demographics have different value propositions

It appears the segment you are advocating is only price/volume oriented

Of course something will suffer, availability, quality, attitude, etc.

Not sure a race to the bottom in pursuit of commoditizing this area is really what customers want.

The market will define value and people pay for value

 

[escapefromstress]

And you have to factor in risk vs. reward. Perb used to have a member who was famous for his risk taking. He found some great deals for $20 on the streets, but he took a lot of risks and suffered a lot of serious consequences in return.

Was his' $20 great lay reward' worth the risks he took to save money or give to SW's who needed it the most? I guess that's up to each man to decide for himself.

 

[MissingOne]

Fair point you have there but paying $60 less and losing 1hr of commute time makes more sense to me. Let me elaborate. You mention you value your time, but time is equal to money. Unless you are making over $60/hr, you are losing more of your time than gaining, by visiting the SP whose $60 more expensive and is within walking distance. Hopefully that made some sense at least.

There's more to life than work and pooning. I wrote that I value my time. I did not say that when I'm not pooning I'm earning money. I have many useful and enjoyable ways to spend my time. Working to earn money is only one of those ways. Riding on transit to get across the city to save a few dollars on a rub isn't useful or enjoyable.

I do enjoy my work, when I choose to do it, so I get double enjoyment. I enjoy earning the extra money it takes to poon. Then I enjoy spending it, sometimes on a $200 rub.

 

[westwoody]

Re the volume advocate: many women have strict limits on how much time they can invest in this. They may have family, job, or school commitments as well. It is obvious they want to maximize revenue per hour.

 

[Damaged]

...Like who is paying $160-200+/hr for that?...

... So literally they are selling handjobs for over $120-140+. Ridiculous

While I agree that $160-$200 for a rub & a tug is too much; I support the right for a service provider to charge whatever she desires. If she can get those rates then go for it.

Given the comments today about closing threads, I will leave this one alone, even though it is about pricing, again. Provided it stays civil that is...

I'm surprised as it clearly fits your criteria for closing a thread.

It seems you miss two market concepts.

Value is one and market segments is the other

Different demographics have different value propositions

It appears the segment you are advocating is only price/volume oriented

Of course something will suffer, availability, quality, attitude, etc.

Not sure a race to the bottom in pursuit of commoditizing this area is really what customers want.

The market will define value and people pay for value

Very well articulated.

Overall I feel there is a market for all price points and services. It's just a matter of whether it works for a person. If you don't like a price point just move on until you find a service provider who does.

Hopefully this thread plays out until it dies on it's own.

 

[clu]

People pay $5000+ for a purse when others cost less than a tenth of that. People pay $15 for a drink when you could buy a whole bottle at a liquor store for that. When has any business ever responded to criticism of the spread with "OMG you're right. I'll cut my prices"? The stuff my (technical) business does is undercut in price by overseas suppliers. Doesn't stop me from charging more because our reputation and clientele support it. And if someone says to me "I can get this for a fraction of the price from China" I say "if that's what you're looking for, be my guest." Maximising volume is not the only goal of business. There's also maximising the revenue-for-labour ratio else you might be better off in another business entirely. Their prices are what they are because they understand their market, not because they don't.