Who Wants an Industry Controlled Replacement for BackPage and LeoList?

[sybian]

I assure you that the new administration will not standby and watch anyone get trashed, smeared or attacked at random. We have been pretty quick since the takeover to jump in and ban idiots. There is nothing wrong with honest, fair, balanced, informative reviews, after all it is a review board first and foremost, but people with axes to grind or agendas will be escorted out of here faster than ever. Once again, any feedback that you may have is greatly appreciated.

Jess

Truth be told it took me few days to realize that this place was under new management .
There were three factors that caused me to drift from here
The first was the aggressive attitude towards almost any young lady here that didn't fit into someones dance card at the time , or didn't conform to their own agenda....and were used as an emotional punching bag for someone's twisted anonymous entertainment.
The second reason was I was having major problems with my communication equipment, which is my lifeline, due to no landline or cell service.

The third and most worrisome was that there was a dude booking escorts in the GVRD....and showing up wearing trucker clipped boots, 1980's western shirts, hockey hair, and sporting a pencil neck.....claiming he was "Sy" from Perb.
The most disturbing part was although I know some ladies here......there are a few who have never met me.
I couldn't get a handle on why he would do that, nor who he was......ironically it was being a member here that gave me the heads up on what was going on, due to a PM from the lady he tried to extort further services from.
Anyone who knows me ...I would like to think ,would know I'd never do such a thing, but there were some male members that thought I had become to threatening or aggressive on the matter. They may have been right, and there were complaints....But Perb although silent about the matter, let the thread stand as is ,without editing.
He never got violent, or impersonated me for very long, but I found the entire thing very disturbing, and the Lady involved asked me to drop the whole matter, which I did.
If your interested you can view the thread " So Jeff........You wanna be a Cowboy?" 10-15-2015
The entire matter had me very worried ,and quite frankly made me sick to my stomach.....So I rode off into the sunset for awhile.
I look forward to dealing with the new management , and the new attitude around here.

 

[Fred Zed]

Truth be told it took me few days to realize that this place was under new management .
There were three factors that caused me to drift from here
The first was the aggressive attitude towards almost any young lady here that didn't fit into someones dance card at the time , or didn't conform to their own agenda....and were used as an emotional punching bag for someone's twisted anonymous entertainment.
The second reason was I was having major problems with my communication equipment, which is my lifeline, due to no landline or cell service.

The third and most worrisome was that there was a dude booking escorts in the GVRD....and showing up wearing trucker clipped boots, 1980's western shirts, hockey hair, and sporting a pencil neck.....claiming he was "Sy" from Perb.
The most disturbing part was although I know some ladies here......there are a few who have never met me.
I couldn't get a handle on why he would do that, nor who he was......ironically it was being a member here that gave me the heads up on what was going on, due to a PM from the lady he tried to extort further services from.
Anyone who knows me ...I would like to think ,would know I'd never do such a thing, but there were some male members that thought I had become to threatening or aggressive on the matter. They may have been right, and there were complaints....But Perb although silent about the matter, let the thread stand as is ,without editing.
He never got violent, or impersonated me for very long, but I found the entire thing very disturbing, and the Lady involved asked me to drop the whole matter, which I did.
If your interested you can view the thread " So Jeff........You wanna be a Cowboy?" 10-15-2015
The entire matter had me very worried ,and quite frankly made me sick to my stomach.....So I rode off into the sunset for awhile.
I look forward to dealing with the new management , and the new attitude around here.

That kind of rubbish wont be tolerated around here anymore, nor will girls being treated like punching bags I assure you. We want to encourage a more professional type of atmosphere here, yes have some fun, but keep it respectful and clean. hopefully members will use the "REPORT POST" button if they come across anything troubling. The mods cant read every thread on here all day, that's why that feature is important to us. Rome wasn't built overnight, but I'm confident things will improve

Jess

 

[morementum]

**WARNING, THIS POST WILL OFFEND**

Theoretically, it sounds like a good idea to have the "industry" develop and create a new medium for advertising sex work. The reality, I suspect, would be far different. First of all you need to understand that SP's don't always get along. In fact, some of them strongly dislike each other and make a very serious effort at destroying each other. Within 6 months you'd have this monumental cluster fuck of forum versus forum, each person raging against the other, etc. Toss in the agenda's of some SP's into the mix.

What would work best (I think) is if the review boards etc were managed by people outside of the industry. Kind if like how companies put people on their board of directors who have zero experience in the industry but are brought to the table to expand horizons. Problem is, who wants to do this? My job has a lot of headaches. A lot of them. When I think about being an escort review board owner I get more of a headache. I try to imagine waking up, opening my email to find a sea of email of people complaining about things and people flagging posts (because dear god they just can't not read them).

BP makes money on selling a lot of things. It's not focused on just selling pussy. Leolist is the same.

Who knows, we live in an era of innovation. Maybe someone will come up with a neat way of doing something new for this business. Be what Uber was to Taxi's. Me, I've got bigger plans. I plan to cartoonize Perb into a sort of cartoon TV show. Then I post, outrage ensues, death threats received and I make money. That good old American way. For example, I'm going to make the character of Papacito this guy, with a bull horn, standing on the corner with a giant sign telling the world of the misgivings and lies of sex sites. He'll jump in front of people and shout "These ASIAN massage ads, they're FAKE NEWS, they're evil, Perb Jesus is coming !. of course there is no Perb Jesus but if there was..he' wouldn't even wait for his Uber to arrive. He'd get the fuck out ASAP

Good post. Who do you think flags ads for removal on CL etc.? Who do you think brings all the drama of fake pics, fake good reviews and even fake crap reviews to garner empathy? Further, an awful lot of the sex trade is controlled by those who also control other edge of society activities and the thought of losing some form of that control and/or sharing it is at odds with their concept of income stream.

The problem isn't the advertising vehicle but instead the vast majority of the material being advertised is misleading and the same goes for the discussion about said material. You need a good nose, experience and the backchannel as a guide and no form of new site will change that.

 

[lenny]

It's the same on review boards all over the country. Most SP's have migrated to Twitter where they can block those they don't want to interact with, so they can insulate themselves against the nasty people. Even terb has only half a dozen SP's who post regularly in their discussion forum.

Have you seen the Twitter account dedicated to bashing TER? They lump all review boards into the same pile, so that's another reason SP's don't support the boards. There's always been a very strong 'anti-review board' faction amongst Vancouver SP's who lobby fervently to keep ladies from advertising or posting here.

The only forum that has more SP's posting is an Ontario board whose owner decided to make 50+ of his members moderators (many of them are SP's), and he recently had to threaten to take away their mod/admin status if they didn't start posting more.

That may explain in part why PERB's & the sister sites lounges are a ghost town compared to what they were a few years ago.

Other contributing factors since then might be Bill C-36, increased moderation, competing sites and the economy.

 

[felixthecat]

That kind of rubbish wont be tolerated around here anymore, nor will girls being treated like punching bags I assure you. We want to encourage a more professional type of atmosphere here, yes have some fun, but keep it respectful and clean. hopefully members will use the "REPORT POST" button if they come across anything troubling. The mods cant read every thread on here all day, that's why that feature is important to us. Rome wasn't built overnight, but I'm confident things will improve

Jess

At this very time, other members are complaining about too many closed threads and excessive moderation. You cannot make everyone happy.

In my opinion, we already had a reasonable balance here for a while. The mods are around when needed. When posters don't test boundaries and remain civil, they can exchange their points of view quite freely.

 

[Fred Zed]

At this very time, other members are complaining about too many closed threads and excessive moderation. You cannot make everyone happy.

In my opinion, we already had a reasonable balance here for a while. The mods are around when needed. When posters don't test boundaries and remain civil, they can exchange their points of view quite freely.

in the words of Donald Trump himself, "nobody believes in free speech more than I do", but lets keep it professional, informative, clean and without personally attacking anyone.

Jess

 

[Fred Zed]

Limiting to 1 post per day is okay for local ladies but for touring ladies there needs to be at least a couple posts per day. As we need post for the first city we visit and then post for the next city we are heading to in order to get advanced bookings etc. This is what they do on cafreviews and it's reasonable. I have also started a thread in the Advertisers lounge in regards to some option's most of us ladies agree need to be added to the site in regards to "editing", "deleting" our ads.

I am very happy with the new changes being made and the professionalism from the new admins who's been taking over. It's greatly appreciated and now I'm more involved with the board because of that. Not to mention there were or are some rude mods but it seems they have gone pretty silent as of late. Certain mods were not helpful and more condescending publicly to SP's on the board lounge. Last time I checked they are supposed to help Paying Advertisers. Hopefully these new changes involve having more friendly and supportive staff working on the back end of things because I think as a Paid Advertiser for many years not only on Perb but Terb too, we at least deserve that.

Tiff.

aren't you allowed to post twice a day here ? correct me if I'm wrong please. As per the edit/ delete function, I know that it disappears after a certain amount of time, its the way the software is created, but you are free to quickly PM us a link to what you want deleted and we will gladly do it for you. There are more staff working in the back end now and we have no problem helping you. It will be done pretty quickly

Jess

 

[High Roller]

The number of forums have proliferated, in every conceivable subject, so the number of users per forum will go down. I've noticed that every where.

 

[treveller]

Lots of great info about the review board, possible improvements and how it works now, especially from the ladies and the mods, but I am asking about an industry directed replacement for BackPage and LeoList, the extreme low end and low barrier advertising service without the community component that PERB and the other boards provide.

The idea would be to provide something:
- As easy to use as BP, CR or LL.
- Lower cost, say a dollar per ad.
- Non profit.
- Designed for and by the service providers.
- Profits, after development and operation costs, go back to the community as directed by the advertisers.
- No more demeaning bullshit about pretending advertisers are not offering sexual services.
- No more bullshit controls over what advertisers can put in their ads, within reason as determined by the industry.
- Less risk of interference or shutdown by prohibitionists.
- Simpler and more reliable payment system.
- Secure communication with https and Proton Mail.

It sounds like a lot to ask but it should be possible if people get behind it. Like I said in the opening post, it may be possible to contract the design of such a system for $50,000.

 

[morementum]

Lots of great info about the review board, possible improvements and how it works now, especially from the ladies and the mods, but I am asking about an industry directed replacement for BackPage and LeoList, the extreme low end and low barrier advertising service without the community component that PERB and the other boards provide.

The idea would be to provide something:
- As easy to use as BP, CR or LL.
- Lower cost, say a dollar per ad.
- Non profit.
- Designed for and by the service providers.
- Profits, after development and operation costs, go back to the community as directed by the advertisers.
- No more demeaning bullshit about pretending advertisers are not offering sexual services.
- No more bullshit controls over what advertisers can put in their ads, within reason as determined by the industry.
- Less risk of interference or shutdown by prohibitionists.
- Simpler and more reliable payment system.
- Secure communication with https and Proton Mail.

It sounds like a lot to ask but it should be possible if people get behind it. Like I said in the opening post, it may be possible to contract the design of such a system for $50,000.

Unless you add to your list:

- no fake pictures and no pictures more than 24 months old, either use real and recent pics or none at all
- no fake ages, either use a real age or none at all
- clearly stated prices including whether they are time-based or on a per shot basis
- having all phone numbers clearly in numeric form, no bullshit attempts to avoid search engines
- banning of any advertiser using fake information
- banning of any advertiser who changes their (fake) name without including a formal notice of name change
- banning of any advertiser who changes their phone number/email address without a formal notice of the change
- banning any advertiser who confirmed to be offering bbfs (front or back)
- having a search engine for the board that isn't limited to a minimum number of characters or nature of characters


Then there is really nothing in it for the guys who will be looking to use it in terms of having an "improved" site.

 

[craigslistkhata5501]

I know some independent contractors who work with companies that make such systems. How do you guys want to proceed with the development of this?

 

[treveller]

Great wishlist morementum, but what I had in mind is supposed to serve the needs of the advertisers first. The advertisers would have to decide what they want to accommodate from your wish list.

craigslistkhata5501, good to know there are people who can make such systems. If there is more interest and support for doing this I will get back to you.

 

[Warl0ck]

Great wishlist morementum, but what I had in mind is supposed to serve the needs of the advertisers first. The advertisers would have to decide what they want to accommodate from your wish list.

craigslistkhata5501, good to know there are people who can make such systems. If there is more interest and support for doing this I will get back to you.

The development of a system isn't difficult. It just requires venture capital. The problem is the legal grey zone. There could well be a "Facebook for Escorts" if someone was inclined.

 

[treveller]

The NOW Magazine escort ads look like a knockoff of the Backpage ads.