National Anthem Protests - Agree or Disagree?

How do you feel about the NFL players not standing for the National Anthem?

  • Agree with the Protests

    Votes: 35 58.3%
  • Do not Agree

    Votes: 21 35.0%
  • On the fence

    Votes: 4 6.7%

  • Total voters
    60

Cock Throppled

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The number of millionaire athletes is statistically irelevant.

Ready access to emergency services? Not for the dirt poor in slums.
Once again you take your political agenda to ridiculous heights.

The busiest emergency departments are in the poorest neighbourhoods. Those ER's get filled with people who have been attended by firefighters, ambulance drivers and EMT's and police, and the patiends are tended by nurses and doctors. In other words - emergency services.
 

PierreCoeur

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Using professional sports to display one's patriotism is pretty stupid, however I believe standing for an anthem is showing respect for the good things your country represents, not the bad.

Who would condone racism, or income disparity, or Galaxy 7's burning up on planes?

But one could condone the abiity to express opinions, the ready access to emergency services and the welfare system that can help the less fortunate.

How many countries give the opportunity to underclasses to excel at sports or entertainment and make millions?
Great that you demonstrate what is wrong with american society. There is no such thing as an UNDERCLASS. Seriously dude, do you actually realize what a bigoted remark that was or are you just like Donald Trump and just don't realize it. Underclass is a word used by those with NO CLASS
 

PierreCoeur

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Great that you demonstrate what is wrong with american society. There is no such thing as an UNDERCLASS. Seriously dude, do you actually realize what a bigoted remark that was or are you just like Donald Trump and just don't realize it. Underclass is a word used by those with NO CLASS
Wikipedia states this " The appropriateness of using the underclass term has also been questioned, with some social scientists claiming that the concept has been transformed into a codeword for intellectuals to demonize impoverished Blacks and Latinos in the Urban United States (U.S.)."
 

Jimmyboi

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I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
Is life worth living should I blast myself?
I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black
My stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a NEGRO
Pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a HERO

Lyrics from 2pac's changes from 1992.

Kaepernick's the man. I support him 110%, and I'm sick and tired of the bs. Innocent people dieing for no reason.

" I see no changes all I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
One better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right"

Long live Makaveli. The don
 

Cock Throppled

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Great that you demonstrate what is wrong with american society. There is no such thing as an UNDERCLASS. Seriously dude, do you actually realize what a bigoted remark that was or are you just like Donald Trump and just don't realize it. Underclass is a word used by those with NO CLASS
Get back to me when you find a classless society.

I find a high degree of moral superiority wafting off your comment.
 

Wolfman_jack

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Using professional sports to display one's patriotism is pretty stupid, however I believe standing for an anthem is showing respect for the good things your country represents, not the bad.

Who would condone racism, or income disparity, or Galaxy 7's burning up on planes?

But one could condone the abiity to express opinions, the ready access to emergency services and the welfare system that can help the less fortunate.

How many countries give the opportunity to underclasses to excel at sports or entertainment and make millions?
Actually, it could be argued that providing the "opportunity to underclasses to excel at sports or entertainment and make millions" is a strategic choice to prevent class warfare and revolution, and further entrench the status quo for the benefit of the ruling white, male class. When you make these (majority) black men the exemplars of "the American Dream" you increase the "buy in" of the oppressed and disenfranchised America in a clearly false narrative.
 

Cami Parker

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It's disrespectful to make millions in a country then say f this country... I think nowhere is perfect and people have issues, but it's not the country that is racist, it's sick individuals executing that. To find so much prosperity in a country and simultaneously say this place sucks is just kinda shitty, I think
 

thodisipagal

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It's disrespectful to make millions in a country then say f this country... I think nowhere is perfect and people have issues, but it's not the country that is racist, it's sick individuals executing that. To find so much prosperity in a country and simultaneously say this place sucks is just kinda shitty, I think
The place sucks for those who are victims of police brutality. Just cuz you are a sports star, rich and famous doesn't mean you have to go on pretending every thing is hunky dory. You have to fend for those who are voiceless.
 

Ray

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It acknowledges that a problem exists. Some people don't believe there is a problem.
It gets people talking.

The athletes aren't saying 'screw my country'. They're trying to draw attention to a problem that most definitely does exist.
 

johnniejetpack

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instead of kneeling or sitting out the anthem, the whole Seahawks team stood arm in arm. That should tell you something. Way to go boys..... that is the way to make a statement.

everybody have a good day ;-)
 

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How can anyone take football so seriously.
A bunch of grown men playing a children's game, with beer and pickup truck ads every few minutes?
That's worth crying and having hissy fits over?
 

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a you tube vid on some pretty white chic, ripping colin, I agree with most of it, a self indulgent privileged black chooses to make a point, now for what ever reason
 

thodisipagal

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a you tube vid on some pretty white chic, ripping colin, I agree with most of it, a self indulgent privileged black chooses to make a point, now for what ever reason
I'm of the view that when a pretty chick says something all men must listen.

Colin Rand Kaepernick was born to a 19-year-old white woman who was destitute and who gave him up for adoption to a white couple.

If you have to use the words "for whatever reason", then you are too lazy even to make a reasonable comment about him. His reason is far greater than your brain can ever even begin to grasp.

Ok, I'm taunting you. Because Kaepernick is not self-indulgent.
 

uncleg

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If a "black" athlete is able to use an American obsession to make a point that there are some serious ass social problems in the U.S. of A. then more power to him. I'll start to question his motives about the time he starts patting himself on the back for the wonderful work he is doing for social justice, while pocketing his millions and "donating" the money from the sales of his jersey's to whatever cause the money is going to.
 

clu

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It's disrespectful to make millions in a country then say f this country... I think nowhere is perfect and people have issues, but it's not the country that is racist, it's sick individuals executing that. To find so much prosperity in a country and simultaneously say this place sucks is just kinda shitty, I think
Maybe he wasn't thinking of himself in this gesture, but of his brethren who didn't win the proverbial lottery? Maybe he was feeling guilty for his relative liberty when he sees so many others oppressed? Just because you benefit from the system doesn't mean it's not broken, and to recognise the suffering of others when you yourself are not suffering seems like a virtue to me. Those who benefit from an unfair system should not be disqualified from criticising its lack of fairness. Countless people without the benefits he's reaped feel the same way. They don't have a voice. He does. He can get the message out. To speak for those who wouldn't otherwise be heard seems like a great thing to do with the privilege he has.

Consider Warren Buffett's view on taxes. He benefited from loopholes and yet criticised them as wrong. He had a conscience. Why did no one tell Buffett to stop disrespecting the system that benefits him? The difference is the truth he speaks doesn't make most people uneasy. But they are both speaking the truth: the system is unfair.

Kaeperneck is protesting. If anything he is respecting the principles of democracy and fairness -- actual founding principles of the United States -- above institutional nationalism, the latter of which is something that's typically found in oppressive regimes like North Korea.
 
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sevenofnine

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cops have killed 67 people in the 22 days colin started his thing,

I watched the movie 13 hours a true story, about the embassy in Benghazi I couldn't help but think americans have died for that flag.

yeah americans have died for that flag,
and I wonder what they would think about some million dollar a year foot ball player what over ten million a year, I think, comfortably taking a knee.


it is self indulgent. he looks out at the world and he needs to feel good about himself, so he does something,
I have read a few books on charity and they question the value of it all, I mean people fly in to Africa and spend a week there and do a mission go home to there comfortable life,
and the people left behind are wondering now, so you can sleep good now. we still got this fucking mess to deal with while you go back to your comfortable life., more then one person and books and thoughts have expressed this sentiment.

you need to do something so you can go back to your comfortable sheltered protected life. and sleep good at night.

my father was put in jail, I had a rough child hood.
let me tell you that feeling is real.
you get the feeling people the people helping you or trying to help you, its more about them. then you,

I remember reading a quote from a doctor, doctor's with out borders. shaking his head at all the do gooders out there and the wanna bee's
you want to find a child prostitute just follow a charity truck or worker around.

martin luther kink
somebody who marched with him was the reverend jessi Jackson but I don't think he is even well thought of by his own community,
certainly whoopi Goldberg they got into a war of words.

yeah there is a lot of fakes and pretenders out there and self indulgent people.

how can any one who is making more then ten million dollars a year have any right to protest the flag anyway. for Christ sake, what did the country do for him.
yeah someone making that much money has no dam right to protest anything except maybe the taxes he has to pay.
 

huggzy

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Nationalism is a tool that governments use to control the population. Playing national anthems at sporting events is a propoganda move started during World War 1 in an effort to promote US nationalism and its spread throughout the world in every country and has been continued ever since. Blind nationalism is what governments use to manipulate us and get a population's support in order to fight wars that may or may not be just because they can whip up the idiots into a fervor like George Bush did for Iraq and Hitler did with the spread of Nazi Germany.

What place does an anthem even have in a sporting event??? People are screaming about Kaepernick bringing politics into a game when the reality is if you don't want politics in the game then stop playing the national anthems at them...fucking hypocrites.

Tell me...why must a person follow suit with what everyone else wants in what is supposed to be a free country? Everyone is curb-stomping Kaepernick for doing what he is by claiming he is disrespecting those that went to war and supposedly fought for his freedom?!? Some fucking freedom we have if the population is going to lynch a guy for doing a harmless protest where a man - who could clearly be happy and lay low with the wealth he has earned in his life - is taking a platform and actually using it to stand up for those that aren't as fortunate as him. Good on him for taking the good fight.

For Christ's sake - he's taking a knee. Holy fucking shit - how horrible. Never mind that he's doing this peaceful act while a song about the war of 1812 is playing which, if you truly want to put it into context, is also about a war where the euro invaders form their nation by exterminating the First Nations people who populated this land before them.

People criticize him for being just a sports figure - why should we listen to a guy who just throws a ball around for a living? Here's a better question - why shouldn't he have the right to speak out as much as anyone else? What makes everyone else so special over an athlete - not every athlete is an idiot either. The pro athlete is in a unique position however where he can utilize the media surrounding his work environment and make his voice heard. I think that any person who is fighting the good fight should take advantage of this position if he can if he has a legitimate issue and is intelligently and respectfully representing it.

Colin Kaepernick is no idiot and he doesn't take his position from only the black perspective. He was adopted and raised by white parents. He graduated high school with a 4.0 average and has his bachelor degree in business management. People who have gotten to know him describe him as been soft spoken, media shy but quite intellectual. And he didn't take this stance on a whim - he gave it alot of thought before doing it and knew he was going to get the blow back he's getting.

Just remember people didn't like Rosa Parks, Jackie Robinson, Martin Luther King nor Muhammed Ali for doing what they did during their time either. Kaepernick might not have the stature of a Robinson nor Ali, but he has a media platform where he might actually be able to have a bigger effect on the discussion at least. And discussing this issue is exactly what we are doing so good for him.

Remember how no one in the citizen population would speak out against the Nazi government back in the day? Is that what we want? If so...just keep shouting people like this brave man down and you will get what you wish for. His position isn't against the soldier and military family - his criticism is towards the government that controls our police and military forces that control our populations internally as well as sends our young to die overseas to fight their war for the purposes of protecting their wealth. If you don't understand that then maybe you should shut up and listen instead of talking.
 
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