Some type of handicap discount?Clive - if that's the way SPs did their pricing then it would be free for me every time!
What is a fair price?
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Zoe, I like the posts you make as you are educated in your responses, but there is also a lack of respect for the clients, and danger for them as well. We are walking into a strange situation as much as you are having one knock on your door.
Thing is, it is your door, your environment. The choices that people make for their job or livelihood have a lot to do with the rate that you get for that livelihood. That, or the education that you spent all the money on to get the degree that lets you charge what you do.
It would be great if the girls could self police, much like other industries do.
Clients make decisions when purchasing, or not. That is how they decide.
BBFS and BBBJ for me are things that are just not safe, for the girl, and any future client. It is selfish and stupid to offer it, but for some, may be the only way they get busy.
What is telling though is that these girls that come in from Montreal, and I mean at least ten different ones that I have seen in my years of doing this, have all be professional, on time, and above average in looks and the shape they are in. They love winnipeg because the state of the home grown talent is pathetic and clients such as the guys on here, have said this time and time again.
It is sad that it will affect the good SP's like yourself, but when there is a demand, then supply will shift to take advantage in a proper economy.
I dated one of the girls for a while when she was here and watched her walk away in less than a week with 5K. That is why she keeps coming back she told me.
what wash meant by smoking and drinking is that the government taxes these thing now they will fine me for being a client in this industry . ll these thing raise money for the government . this is just an other way of the government raising funds to fix are roads like traffic tickets . but in the end it is all about cost . and it could be that it is better to go ells were like navada to conduct this kind of exchange were it is legal c 35 wins . this is the cause of falling prices you would have to take some risk and give clients more security
I don't deny that there is risk associated on both parts, client included, that's why communication on these type of boards and doing research and making good decisions are imperative.
King Kong - just tried to read your post. I'm sorry, I am unable to respond to that. Best wishes.
Happy Pooning everybody Stay safe but don't forget to have fun too
King Kong - just tried to read your post. I'm sorry, I am unable to respond to that. Best wishes.
Happy Pooning everybody
Stay safe but don't forget to have fun too I think the reason this topic seems to come around over and over is because it is a response to the market conditions. Well established SP's with good reputations can set the rates they want and guys will pay it because it is good value for money. When the visiting Asians first really started coming a few years ago, again they had higher rates and we were happy to pay them because there was a total lack of Asians in Winnipeg.
What ends up happening is that new girls enter the scene and expect and charge the higher rates while being unknowns and often offering sub par or poor service and these posts are a reflection of what becomes a growing frustration of what we get for what we pay. The reality is the ladies can charge as much as they want, but it is no different than any other business, you price yourself too high and the majority will simply choose to shop elsewhere or not buy at all. I would think that the ladies who do read these posting take a bit of a hint that when we start grumbling about the prices then maybe you have edged up on the price to high or that the level of service being offered does not meet what is being asked.
This topic has little to do with respecting the ladies, or if brought up a sign of disrespect. Ladies set your price, it is your choice and right but do not expect everyone to be happy to pay it. Guys, find the girls at the price your willing to pay, but remember when you bargain shop you also can't complain when the 80 dollar girl turns out to be a dud.
What ends up happening is that new girls enter the scene and expect and charge the higher rates while being unknowns and often offering sub par or poor service and these posts are a reflection of what becomes a growing frustration of what we get for what we pay. The reality is the ladies can charge as much as they want, but it is no different than any other business, you price yourself too high and the majority will simply choose to shop elsewhere or not buy at all. I would think that the ladies who do read these posting take a bit of a hint that when we start grumbling about the prices then maybe you have edged up on the price to high or that the level of service being offered does not meet what is being asked.
This topic has little to do with respecting the ladies, or if brought up a sign of disrespect. Ladies set your price, it is your choice and right but do not expect everyone to be happy to pay it. Guys, find the girls at the price your willing to pay, but remember when you bargain shop you also can't complain when the 80 dollar girl turns out to be a dud.
Just out of curiosity, do these touring girls have some guys watch them like guards.... I have seen some touring girls who didn't ask references, what if they meet someone crazy or rude?
Some obviously take their chances, and I have never asked a girl about what they do in those circumstances. Now I am sure I have seen someone in the lobby, or seen a girl send a message in a certain time period, but since I have never had anything bad on my mind, I have only looked to make sure I don't get mugged.
Now I am not one who is afraid of a scuffle so I do play safe, but am not paranoid about it.
Most of the touring girls I have seen are friends with others I have seen, so I can always mention names and situations that have satisfied all to date.
Now I only tend to see touring girls, like those Quebec girls, they usually do incalls in nice hotels, and I did research their reviews before I book. Although they charge more but I can assure there will be no drama.
BTW, can anyone explain why they are usually from Quebec...?
In Montreal, they make 150 an hour. I can confirm this from being there last summer. Same girls in most cases, from services there. That is outcall pricing in some cases.
Here, they charge twice as much and have a nice condo/hotel to work out of. I don't know of too many of the girls from Montreal that don't love Winnipeg.
Extremely good point.
I look at it like this - it is about experience and value for that experience. Most will be paying with after-tax dollars unless they are funding by someone else. If you pay, for example, $200 for something it took you about $400 of income to get that $200 when all the various forms of taxes and fees the average person has in life are taken into account. Now, how much does someone accrue income to get that $200? To get the gross $400, someone making $50 an hour (e.g. $100,000 per year full time work) would take 8 hours (a typical day for many) and if they are willing to trade a full day at work for an hour in the sheets, that is the value they have ascribed to the transaction. If they make a lot more than $50 an hour, the amount of work becomes less.
Unless someone cares nothing about the effort to obtain their money and/or has more money than they will ever need, then a value decision is always at play whether people admit it or not. It comes down to a trade-off between effort to earn the money and the experience being paid for.
Final note to this, what is bizarre is some guys will pay for a set time (say an hour) and feel that if they pop at 30 min in, they are done. They paid for an hour! Never will understand anyone getting ripped off in that manner.
Play safe!
what i find most interesting is that . people do not think that the new law affect the price . I think they affect the price and demand . and that has what changed recently do you think that an sp charging $ 200 before the change in the law is worth $ 200 today ?
seem to me the risk to the client has gone up . so less clients leading to lower prices .
seem to me the risk to the client has gone up . so less clients leading to lower prices .
KingKong - the risk of the client may have gone up when seeing unreviewed ladies, so in their cases, it is riskier and if risk can be outweighed by paying less, then have at it. May as well go street shopping too. I'm sure it's much cheaper out there and price reflects risk, but at that point, I think there are a bunch of other risks one should worry about. As far as a reviewed, established lady, their rates could be seen to go up considering they have spent the time and effort becoming established and branded because their reputation lowers the risk for client but not for the lady.
How do you know I don't go to the gym? lol I have always been a big girl, all my life. But that's not my main point.... (but if I was a spinner, does that mean I should charge $350/hr? There are all sorts of people that like all sorts of girls, variety is the spice of life)
As far as getting something "better" at the Pal - you will probably get a lot more than you bargain for - stalker, std, jealous bf/spouse, drama. With escorts you pay for the deed but a big part is paying to be able to walk away, no strings attached.
And where are the locals that look like VJ etc? Probably touring! LOL
WW makes a very good point.:thumb:
While I've always said that men's tastes in women vary, I've also been very upfront that most of us, if we're paying for it, want something beyond what we can get for free at the Norwood or Pal.
I was just on BP to check this out. I looked at all the ads for the past 48 hours.
If you break it down between the touring ladies (including the Asian agencies) and the locals, based solely on looks/the pics, here's how I would break it down.
Assuming the pics are accurate I would pay to see ~80% of the touring ladies and ~20% of the locals.
I can accept the fact a woman over 35, especially if she's had kids, may not be as tight as she once was but just like Holly did, you can get yourself in reasonable shape. And WTF is with all the flabby 18 - 25 year olds?
One would think that if you are serious about this job and it to a large part depended on the dude looking at the ads finding you more attractive than your competition, you might put in a few hours in the gym.
Cheers
While I've always said that men's tastes in women vary, I've also been very upfront that most of us, if we're paying for it, want something beyond what we can get for free at the Norwood or Pal.
I was just on BP to check this out. I looked at all the ads for the past 48 hours.
If you break it down between the touring ladies (including the Asian agencies) and the locals, based solely on looks/the pics, here's how I would break it down.
Assuming the pics are accurate I would pay to see ~80% of the touring ladies and ~20% of the locals.
I can accept the fact a woman over 35, especially if she's had kids, may not be as tight as she once was but just like Holly did, you can get yourself in reasonable shape. And WTF is with all the flabby 18 - 25 year olds?
One would think that if you are serious about this job and it to a large part depended on the dude looking at the ads finding you more attractive than your competition, you might put in a few hours in the gym.
Cheers
Exactly. Yes, variety is the spice of life, but I would say that society has dictated what is considered more attractive, not the guys on here. We want what we were raised on.WW makes a very good point.:thumb:
While I've always said that men's tastes in women vary, I've also been very upfront that most of us, if we're paying for it, want something beyond what we can get for free at the Norwood or Pal.
I was just on BP to check this out. I looked at all the ads for the past 48 hours.
If you break it down between the touring ladies (including the Asian agencies) and the locals, based solely on looks/the pics, here's how I would break it down.
Assuming the pics are accurate I would pay to see ~80% of the touring ladies and ~20% of the locals.
I can accept the fact a woman over 35, especially if she's had kids, may not be as tight as she once was but just like Holly did, you can get yourself in reasonable shape. And WTF is with all the flabby 18 - 25 year olds?
One would think that if you are serious about this job and it to a large part depended on the dude looking at the ads finding you more attractive than your competition, you might put in a few hours in the gym.
Cheers
This is fantasy. My fantasy, and I am sure most guys, runs along the playboy/penthouse girls vs some of the women that advertise on BP.
As was said up above, "WTF is with all the flabby 18-25 year olds?"
If a woman wants to make 250 an hour, and only met with two clients a day for 5 days a week, that gives her in excess of 120K a year, and that is after tax, so more like a 1/4 of a million dollar a year salary. In this scenario, she works for 2-3 hours a day. That leaves a hell of a lot of time to go to the gym, shop for outfits, and spend time looking beautiful and sexy since that is the main component of her job.
Not bad money for someone who probably doesn't have a doctorate.
The girls that aren't in that type of shape, should maybe think about what their value is in comparison to the girls that do put in all the work.
I am not saying that this isn't worth the money, just trying to say that I have an easier time parting with it when the location is as expected, and the pictures are truly representative of the person we meet.
Girls, for the most part, that tour.....that is the case.
Local girls? Well I am sure everyone of us has a story of showing up somewhere only to go "You aren't the person in the pictures?"
It would be no different if this were male escorts.
Pretty sure the chubby hairy ones that work out of a north end hotel aren't getting the business that the guys with the abs, tan, and condo are.
Expectations should be the same.
We are paying for fantasy.
Most of those start with the person we meet being someone that inspires fantasy.
What are the bad/wrong generalizations? The idea that you may get more than you bargain for from picking up somebody at a bar?
I am always striving to be the best I can be. Just because I am big doesn't mean I don't work out. My training isn't as intense as it once was but that's due to reasons out of my control.
Kudos to Holly Rae, great job on achieving goals.
I hardly think I'm sitting around whining about Winnipeg guys being cheap. I agree top dollar for top service.
I think I'm doing a pretty damn good job at being me
I'm not sure if the "best I can be" means I have to weigh less as I consider what is meant to be "me" more than what a scale says. I also figure that there are people out there who like my body as it is, so I provide that niche for them.
Nothing is static, people change, bodies change, I was smaller once, I may be again. People's preferences change as well. I don't equate the weight of an SP to the value of her service. Service begets good rates. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. (cheesy, I know)
I totally get that guys are paying for a fantasy, just don't limit everybody's fantasy to your fantasy.
PS: LOL at keeping the score bowtie44
PPS: Can I raise my rates if I lose weight? hahahaha
I too gravitate towards the ladies who are fit and firm. Not only do they look more appealing to me but it shows they are serious about there job and health.
Back to topic. When i first found out about this hobby i was more than a little surprised at the rates. I don't know anyone else outside of this industry who makes hundreds of dollars an hour for their time. That being said if you can get it all the power to ya. Touring girls don't have the luxury of working out of their own house so its understandable they could charge a little more. Young girls who are new just don't have the experience so it makes sense to me they would come in at the bottom end of the spectrum until they can achieve a clientele and reviews to prove their legit. The 300 plus club should be exclusive to the ones with the total package. Looks, attitude and service. Excellent communication, punctual, immaculate, personable, seductive, high class, ect. Professional. The ones who can send you out the door on cloud 9, stumbling sideways, incoherent, wanting to return immediately. So what is a fair price? I don't know really. It depends on your income, expectations, and satisfaction. JMHO
Back to topic. When i first found out about this hobby i was more than a little surprised at the rates. I don't know anyone else outside of this industry who makes hundreds of dollars an hour for their time. That being said if you can get it all the power to ya. Touring girls don't have the luxury of working out of their own house so its understandable they could charge a little more. Young girls who are new just don't have the experience so it makes sense to me they would come in at the bottom end of the spectrum until they can achieve a clientele and reviews to prove their legit. The 300 plus club should be exclusive to the ones with the total package. Looks, attitude and service. Excellent communication, punctual, immaculate, personable, seductive, high class, ect. Professional. The ones who can send you out the door on cloud 9, stumbling sideways, incoherent, wanting to return immediately. So what is a fair price? I don't know really. It depends on your income, expectations, and satisfaction. JMHO
