What is a fair price?

[CliveAllen]

Looking over some of the ads both here and on BP/EC, there is a wide range of pricing and some of it makes no sense.
The only way I think that it does is that some people are obviously paying the pricing that is listed, or the advertisers are taking less than advertised.

For example, there are mature ladies advertising that are looking for 400 an hour!

http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/passionately-intensein-winnipeg-march-8-10th/1930273

Gulp.
We have smoking hot twenty something girls coming in from Montreal that are 300.
You can all find a ton of links for these.
Now we all know that the girls from Montreal love to come here because in Montreal, you get the same quality for half that rate, so by coming here, they get twice as much, and in a weekend can walk out of Winnipeg with a hefty amount of cash. Good for them, as the difference between a girl that books through a service for that rate and our local entries (not all, but definitely a few) is huge. In my experience, the girls that come here are in top shape, dress appropriately, are professional, on time, and usually drop dead gorgeous.

Then you get the oddities

http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/roxanne-y-im-priceless-sorta-teehee-y-300h/2008774

300? Badly reviewed to top it off.

Then you get some ones that make me shake my head.

http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/nice-big-tits-and-assim-tight-60-and128154/1996251

60 unless it is longer than 10 minutes in which case it is 80........?????

Just curious as to what you guys think with the pricing, and what is fair?

I know that I like to keep my finances as lean as possible, so what is fair?

Local?
Imports?

Thoughts?

 

[borntooslow]

I think 200/hr is fair for a local girl providing gfe and bbbj. More than that I wouldn't see them. If you're newer probably 140-160 is reasonable.

Touring girls 250-300

 

[Balrog]

I've paid too much for some that deserve less, and too little for others that deserve more.
In general, around $200 sounds reasonable with GFE and BBBJ - $250 and up is for "special" ones (either WAY too hot, or young+well reviewed)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hard to pinpoint as there are so many variables that go into pricing.

I find I charge the local ladies $200 -220/hr because this is Winnipeg.
I will charge touring ladies as much as $350/hr again depending on what they bring to the table. I have no problem seeing VJ for $350/hr.
And then some get a discount because I really enjoy their company.

Cheers

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Here we go again :deadhorse:

While part of me agrees that this subject has been discussed to death, I can't smile a little at the hypocrisy shown on this site when discussing rates.

We, and this includes the SP's on this site, seem to feel that other professions are fair game to criticize for what they charge. Over the years I've been on PERB I've seen numerous threads where someone comments on the fees they paid to a lawyer, plumber, accountant, mechanic, vet, etc. and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with comments ranging from, "the fees are too high" to "they are a bunch of money hungry assholes."
But as soon as someone questions SP rates everyone (including all the SP's on this board) gets all high and mighty about "Who are you to question the rates?" and "If you can't pay then don't play."

Just an observation.

 

[bigben]

I never pay more than 25 cents for 5 minutes of service and demand a boycott if anyone disagrees.

 

[insomnia_2o4]

It amazes me that a guy will spend a week on the internet researching snow tires or an electric drill but doesn't research a ho.

ound: ound: ound:

 

[Hereinwinnipeg]

Easier to research snow tires or electric drills without the significant other over your shoulder or scanning your browser history

To often guy gets erection, guy sees pretty picture, guy goes, guy whines about shitty service. Always leading with the little head and not the big one.

 

[shedevil]

I think the rate issue has been beaten to death. With anything. If you don't like it, don't pay it. However, you can't "will" an SP that has lower rates into something your expectation level exceeds. You get what you pay for. If you have high expectations for a provider, then cough up the $ for one and don't complain about it thinking you can embarrass, shame or start a public boycott of certain escorts until they have a rate that you're willing to pay. You're entitled to see who you want or not. But if you're refusing to pay more than a certain amount and carry a high expectation along with it, you'll find that you'll be more frustrated and "ripped" off wasting your money looking for a "deal" instead of doing what this hobby is supposed to do for you. Enjoyment.

I get that some girls that don't know any better come out and demand ridiculous prices, but eventually, when she doesn't have any or few bookings she'll adjust her rate closer to the market. You wait her out. Some girls have TGTBT rates and they usually are B&S or scams or whatever. How much do you waste looking for that deal? How many "experiences" have you wished you could have back? When you think of all of the money that's wasted on trying to find some sort of a deal or "gem" as it were, how many sessions are you actually happy with and not? What is that cost?

There are lots of ladies that advertise on BP, but half of them aren't "ESCORTS". They have no idea how to properly entertain a man who is spending hard earned money to be with them. That being said, most people don't know these boards exist so for every "dud" there is on BP, think that there are hundreds of guys who make that mistake too. There's also people that are on here and should know better, but ever in search of the gem or deal will gamble on a lady that clearly ins't an escort but just a girl who is pretending to be one. That's a lot of wasted time and money.

I totally appreciate and understand the expense of the hobby. I really do. I give my best to everyone that walks in my door and appreciate everyone that does. I hate discussing rates and I really hate having someone try to negotiate my fees for me. That's what I dislike. I try not to spend time with anyone who is seeing me based purely on my rate as those never go well either. I genuinely enjoy what I do. I want to spend time with someone that wants to spend time with ME, and I want to enjoy my visit just as much as my guest. I don't want the visit spoiled with having to talk about rates. It can ruin the experience for me and in some cases, I won't see that particular guest again. Just because I am escort doesn't mean I have to be treated like/feel like a whore before/after or during.

SD

 

[rexxx]

Clive whether we want to admit it or not, these girls are just like anyone else in business. Their rates will vary based on clientele. Some guys haven't figured this out yet and continue to be pricks expecting rates to drop. I won't lie and say that I don't get preferred rates sometimes but that is probably due to the fact that I am a repeat customer, and tend to favour pleasing the girl over worrying about myself for most of the session.

 

[CliveAllen]

Hard to pinpoint as there are so many variables that go into pricing.

I find I charge the local ladies $200 -220/hr because this is Winnipeg.
I will charge touring ladies as much as $350/hr again depending on what they bring to the table. I have no problem seeing VJ for $350/hr.
And then some get a discount because I really enjoy their company.

Cheers

You charge the local ladies? Nice. I want your deal!!!
I am the same as you, get pricing that is not the advertised because I make sure I am a good client.

 

[Spraycan99]

I got it that's funny

I got it too but I was too busy researching the price of a new set of all-season tires to reply. Can you believe the price of tires?! Even the crappy no-name ones are too expensive! Lucky if they last as long as the description says. Good thing there's a warranty...

 

[CliveAllen]

While part of me agrees that this subject has been discussed to death, I can't smile a little at the hypocrisy shown on this site when discussing rates.

We, and this includes the SP's on this site, seem to feel that other professions are fair game to criticize for what they charge. Over the years I've been on PERB I've seen numerous threads where someone comments on the fees they paid to a lawyer, plumber, accountant, mechanic, vet, etc. and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with comments ranging from, "the fees are too high" to "they are a bunch of money hungry assholes."
But as soon as someone questions SP rates everyone (including all the SP's on this board) gets all high and mighty about "Who are you to question the rates?" and "If you can't pay then don't play."

Just an observation.

Can't agree more. Total hypocrisy. I think it is good that we talk about what is fair so possibly new girls learn to adjust when they are getting no calls because they have priced themselves out of the race.
There must be some people seeing these girls that we all poke fun at because they still advertise.
On the other side, I think it is fair for the girls to charge certain people more than others, the same as we pay more for certain SP's over others.
After all, some guys are going to be a lot more work, and not as easy on the eyes, as others.

 

[Spraycan99]

Clive - if that's the way SPs did their pricing then it would be free for me every time!

 

[CliveAllen]

I think the rate issue has been beaten to death. With anything. If you don't like it, don't pay it. However, you can't "will" an SP that has lower rates into something your expectation level exceeds. You get what you pay for. If you have high expectations for a provider, then cough up the $ for one and don't complain about it thinking you can embarrass, shame or start a public boycott of certain escorts until they have a rate that you're willing to pay. You're entitled to see who you want or not. But if you're refusing to pay more than a certain amount and carry a high expectation along with it, you'll find that you'll be more frustrated and "ripped" off wasting your money looking for a "deal" instead of doing what this hobby is supposed to do for you. Enjoyment.

I get that some girls that don't know any better come out and demand ridiculous prices, but eventually, when she doesn't have any or few bookings she'll adjust her rate closer to the market. You wait her out. Some girls have TGTBT rates and they usually are B&S or scams or whatever. How much do you waste looking for that deal? How many "experiences" have you wished you could have back? When you think of all of the money that's wasted on trying to find some sort of a deal or "gem" as it were, how many sessions are you actually happy with and not? What is that cost?

There are lots of ladies that advertise on BP, but half of them aren't "ESCORTS". They have no idea how to properly entertain a man who is spending hard earned money to be with them. That being said, most people don't know these boards exist so for every "dud" there is on BP, think that there are hundreds of guys who make that mistake too. There's also people that are on here and should know better, but ever in search of the gem or deal will gamble on a lady that clearly ins't an escort but just a girl who is pretending to be one. That's a lot of wasted time and money.

I totally appreciate and understand the expense of the hobby. I really do. I give my best to everyone that walks in my door and appreciate everyone that does. I hate discussing rates and I really hate having someone try to negotiate my fees for me. That's what I dislike. I try not to spend time with anyone who is seeing me based purely on my rate as those never go well either. I genuinely enjoy what I do. I want to spend time with someone that wants to spend time with ME, and I want to enjoy my visit just as much as my guest. I don't want the visit spoiled with having to talk about rates. It can ruin the experience for me and in some cases, I won't see that particular guest again. Just because I am escort doesn't mean I have to be treated like/feel like a whore before/after or during.

SD

Agreed, but on the other hand, nothing worse than seeing guys be promised the world, think they are going to be living their fantasy for a while, and then:
1)get ripped off.
2)have the girl not be close to the pictures.
3)have the service be lifeless and nothing but going through the motions.
4)be stuck waiting and watch the earlier client walk out the door and then be told "I'm ready".
5)Show up and have the phone not stop.
6)Show up and have the friend be in the bathroom.

These are just examples of things I have read and seen, and this industry should be the same as any other service industry. It shouldn't be elevated and then have guys tolerate the bad treatment due to the fact that we want discretion and don't want to have drama when most are trying to keep their head below the horizon.

I have never heard anything bad about you, but you are not the norm.
The norm is what you see on here. For every good review there is a ton of bad ones.
You can see that I try to help the ones that I really enjoy by writing something that is flattering and helps them to get business.
I don't do it because I am paid, or given any discount, I do it because I legitimately like the girl I have seen.

I need to write about a few of them that are rude when you ask questions (like we shouldn't ask questions and that is a waste of her time, and in some cases I know what kind of shit you girls have to deal with, with loser guys who have no intention of seeing you, using the conversation as spank bank material).
But should be then not place a value on our time, when we drive to the other end of the city to have some lame brain excuse be given so we have just wasted an hour or so of our time, let alone the frustration.
I think you should be treated like a lady.
If you don't, then there should be the same ability to roast a client so the other girls don't get screwed over by the same guy.
I know one girl who was paid in Rupees. Guy lied to her about what they were worth. That guy should have had his number passed on to the other girls so he doesn't do it again.
In the same way, it is a two way street.

 

[CliveAllen]

Clive whether we want to admit it or not, these girls are just like anyone else in business. Their rates will vary based on clientele. Some guys haven't figured this out yet and continue to be pricks expecting rates to drop. I won't lie and say that I don't get preferred rates sometimes but that is probably due to the fact that I am a repeat customer, and tend to favour pleasing the girl over worrying about myself for most of the session.

You and I are exactly the same in that capacity. I am the same way.

 

[king_kong]

I think that rates are different with the new laws with the client taking most of the risk I would expect prices to drop in relation to the risk each party is taking has changed . I would and expect more explicate adds . to help protect the client , this would all so affect what I would be willing to pay . I could easily pay more if I was assured that I would not be caught and finned . If an sp wanted a higher price they would have too address my needed not to be caught and finned . if not I would pay less than in the past

 

[ZoeZee]

Honestly, I think this is the beginning of the end and a lot of the good local SPs are going to be gone. Some may stick around but this rate craziness (instability - prices ranging from $40 to $400) and that most people don't read the boards, there seems to be a lot of negotiators going around and way more requests for bbfs. The business is not what it used to be. There seems to be a complete lack of respect for ladies rates and services.

King_kong - the ads are not going to become more explicit, that is exactly what bill c-36 says not to do.

Bill c-36 is making it hard for the ones who actually want to follow the law. The ones who don't care are coming across as more upfront whereas the ones who don't want to get in trouble are being more evasive about questions about service etc. I feel that it actually is giving rise to ladies working in exploitative conditions. If you don't care about the law in general (have a pimp, do drugs, rip-offs, carcalls) why would you listen to bill c-36?

 

[king_kong]

Honestly, I think this is the beginning of the end and a lot of the good local SPs are going to be gone. Some may stick around but this rate craziness (instability - prices ranging from $40 to $400) and that most people don't read the boards, there seems to be a lot of negotiators going around and way more requests for bbfs. The business is not what it used to be. There seems to be a complete lack of respect for ladies rates and services.

King_kong - the ads are not going to become more explicit, that is exactly what bill c-36 says not to do.

Bill c-36 is making it hard for the ones who actually want to follow the law. The ones who don't care are coming across as more upfront whereas the ones who don't want to get in trouble are being more evasive about questions about service etc. I feel that it actually is giving rise to ladies working in exploitative conditions. If you don't care about the law in general (have a pimp, do drugs, rip-offs, carcalls) why would you listen to bill c-36?

by the adds becoming more explicate the sp is taking a larger risk , then larger price and more security for the client . but I do not agree the point of the bill is not to have less explicit add but to end prostitution . thier are all way other jurisdictions like Nevada . If I am going to be fined all that has been done is the price has been raised . like smoking , or drinking you have to be able to give the government a share .

I can pay the sp more here but she would have to mitigate the risk . few people can afford this hobby now days

 

[ZoeZee]

I would think the SP is always taking the larger risk no matter what is said in the ad, especially in an incall situation, this is why SPs ask for references, no blocked numbers etc.

The point of the bill is irrelevant, what is important is what it outlines as legal and illegal, such as explicitly advertising sexual services.

I really don't understand what you meant by the smoking/drinking thing and sharing with the government.

Last sentence - see my first sentence. The incall, independent SP IS taking the larger risk, also the overhead in keeping an incall.