LE Activity Post C36?
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I'm from out of town and will be coming to Winnipeg next week. It's been a tradition of mine to indulge myself at Executive Bath. I understand that in the past LE would perform surprise visits on that establishment, checking for permits, licences, drugs, and underage girls, while basically letting off any customers with a warning. Of course with the new laws the consequences of being caught in there with your pants down will be more severe. Has anyone heard any stories of increased LE surveillance, raids, or God forbid, guys actually being charged for being caught in there?
I also wonder about that. Sounds like all they need is a hobbyist asking the right questions and next thing you know.......Would I be correct in assuming that LE cant post ads on BP etc ..... because that would be "entrapment" ?
Other thing I wonder is if they would go as far as to tap phones etc of agencies. I am a bit of a nervous nelly though and truly just hope they stick with trying to bust the gangsters that pimp out too young and trafficked from the reserve type. Stick with what is a true oral crime and leave those of us that are not creeps and those women who enjoy their choice alone.
I have yet to venture out since c36 came in but am thinking of an Asian visit soon but to second rivercityboy I'll be sticking on a safe path. I'll miss the old desperate romps to Broadway's but oh we'll, was usually disappointed anyhow
Good point, for sure easier and does make a nice story for the news to twist etc.We are easier to target than the Pimps, the Pimps know the rules better and more importantly how to get around them. A nice normal guy being busted is better for the papers, and for LE's reputation. Make no mistake, they have drawn a bulls eye on us, and not on the criminals. Crooks are too hard to catch.
See the Free Press article last week about a fellow in Brandon charged with forcing some ladies to prostitute?
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...nection-with-Brandon-sex-trade-286375841.html
I thought there would be more discussion of this on here but maybe i missed lt.
Brandon does have a huge increase in SP activity lately and there probably are some pimps in every city that police should be dealing with but what happens with the customers LE observes in these cases?
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...nection-with-Brandon-sex-trade-286375841.html
I thought there would be more discussion of this on here but maybe i missed lt.
Brandon does have a huge increase in SP activity lately and there probably are some pimps in every city that police should be dealing with but what happens with the customers LE observes in these cases?
The Police can post ads online but it has to be worded in a way that does not create entrapment. So you see an ad for a woman says 200 an hour and you reply and ask her what services, restrictions are available then you have communicated for the purposes and when you show up you will get arrested.
A good article
http://copsrcorrupt.blogspot.ca/2014/06/how-to-beat-backpage-prostitution.html
A good article
http://copsrcorrupt.blogspot.ca/2014/06/how-to-beat-backpage-prostitution.html
As an addition, I found myself with some free time tonight and I booked a massage at Williams. As a practice now I arrive to anything I book and take a few loops around the block to see what there is to see. As I make my first loop I head east on William and as I pass Sherbrook I see a marked cruiser facing the wrong way just out of sight beside the Subway. I take the first right just past the MP and loop back up the one way and park on Sherbrook behind another parked car. I watch for a few minutes and a second marked cruiser pulls up with the first one and a female officer gets our and walks up to talk through the driver side window. As they talk you can see the female officer looking back towards William ave. After a minute or two she gets back in the second cruiser and they drive off and turn down the back lane that runs parallel to William. I've seen enough to know that I won't be keeping my session and start the car and pull away, I turned east onto William and start heading home. As I pass the MP I see cruiser two pull up and park about 1 block away facing William on the opposite side. While I can not comment if anything happened afterward, I can say that it will be my last time booking anything at William ever.
Executive Bath said they haven't been bothered yet and I really can't see the cops wasting their time trying to busy guys going in there with this silly new law..they go in every six months to check on licences etc but I am not too worried ...never been to William but also have no desire to go there anyways from what I have read
Just as HereinWinnipeg states, it is wise to check out the area of the incall - start doing that when having afternoon delight with some hottie married women who married some older rich bastards - a couple of times had to go out a window to find my car!! LOL ... exciting times when you are young!I won't go to parlors anymore. Ever.
If I want a rub and tug there are a lot of known, established ladies that offer this.
Lisa was busy at Phoenix and the only other attendant was Linda? who was an unknown to me but who may have been reported as providing mediocre service, Not willing to possibly waste time and funds ($65 for an hour) and go away unsatisfied. Drove around nearby William massage place - big sign in window stating to book call xxxxxxx. In the meantime had called vipotg to see who was working.. Ivy still there, leaving tomorrow. At vipotg you know the type of session to expect ... at a reasonable 220, accompanied interactive shower (wow ....as usual). How would LE interrupt? Smash their way in to the entrance then to the suite? I guess they would have to get the caretaker to let them in ..or can they?
Easier for them to get into a massage parlour to interrupt a session and be jerks I assume, but how justified would they be?
In the end, the session with Ivy was very enjoyable, very friendly, very petite with ample natural breasts, sort of dfk (asian style, but better than most asians). Not as hard a body or as young as other vipotg ladies, but how can you complain about an sp who is warm and friendly and willing to do whatever is requested, within reason. Was easy to convince myself in deciding to book her instead of taking a chance on the parlour. If more time is available then could do both. Main goal today was satisfaction!!
Run for the border
It may not be 'the' solution to our problems but it is certainly a worthwhile alternative for some of us.
A few weeks ago I spent about two weeks in Mexico, where it's all legal. The price range is highly variable, the most expensive being in places with a lot of tourists and expats (Puerto Vallata, for example), with much lower rates to be found in areas far away from such spots, like the second-largest city, Guadalajara. The best value for money anywhere is to be found there IMO, at the 'estetica masculinas', especially at Dany's, which advertises a 2-masseuse service for half an hour at the same rate as one masseuse for a full hour. Very hard to go wrong. Very, very hard.:eyebrows:Hereinwinnipeg may have gotten lucky. I don't trust myself enough to think that I would spot a set up every time. I only have to be wrong once for everything to come crashing down. That's why I won't do MP's anymore, and won't see an SP unless she's well known or referred by someone who is well known.
It may not be 'the' solution to our problems but it is certainly a worthwhile alternative for some of us.
From what I have heard the police did not go to William the night I was there. That being said there is still a good chance they were watching the place. Just because they haven't yet does not mean they will not.
For the MP's they will not be focused on the guys going in, if caught inside you will probably get hassled but unless your caught with the girl in action they shouldn't be able to charge you with communication. The police will be going after the people who are running them where they can be charged with the bawdy house and living from the avails component of the law. The girls will more than likely be fined under the city bylaws requiring a license to do massage, but again if caught in the act it could be more serious.
What remains to be seen is what stance the city of Winnipeg and Province of Manitoba takes although Andrew Swan when he was the Minister of Justice did say says the Manitoba government supports Bill C-36 and "It should not be acceptable in Canada for someone to buy sex. We want that to be the main message."
The reality with the new law and whether the LE will bust these places has nothing to do with common sense or if they want to or don't want to hassle anyone, the new law is a moral stance which when given the opportunity to put into place a good balanced law, the government chose to go after the buyers of sex instead. I am sure when the decision came down to start impounding cars that no one thought it would be serious but the police have used that extensively and will continue to do so as this is about moving sex away from children, William is within a block of 2 schools, and moving it out of peoples neighborhoods.
For the MP's they will not be focused on the guys going in, if caught inside you will probably get hassled but unless your caught with the girl in action they shouldn't be able to charge you with communication. The police will be going after the people who are running them where they can be charged with the bawdy house and living from the avails component of the law. The girls will more than likely be fined under the city bylaws requiring a license to do massage, but again if caught in the act it could be more serious.
What remains to be seen is what stance the city of Winnipeg and Province of Manitoba takes although Andrew Swan when he was the Minister of Justice did say says the Manitoba government supports Bill C-36 and "It should not be acceptable in Canada for someone to buy sex. We want that to be the main message."
The reality with the new law and whether the LE will bust these places has nothing to do with common sense or if they want to or don't want to hassle anyone, the new law is a moral stance which when given the opportunity to put into place a good balanced law, the government chose to go after the buyers of sex instead. I am sure when the decision came down to start impounding cars that no one thought it would be serious but the police have used that extensively and will continue to do so as this is about moving sex away from children, William is within a block of 2 schools, and moving it out of peoples neighborhoods.
Forgot to say to Sixpak, good to pass on Linda at Phoenix. I saw her last week and the massage was weak and not happy at all.
I don't see the cops spending multiple hours on surveillance of a massage parlor there are any number of other reasons they would be hanging out in that area. Problem with LE in Wpg is they tend to ignore things for a while until the get a citizens complaint then they go way overboard like they did with the bong sellers
Thanks Herein ... confirms my gut instinct, but I may have read something about Linda not providing a good session. Every year makes me think more and more of "the good old times". If I knew then what I know now.... LOL. The way things are going we will never get out of this world alive!!!Forgot to say to Sixpak, good to pass on Linda at Phoenix. I saw her last week and the massage was weak and not happy at all.
There could be many reasons they were there, which is why I followed up with the information that they did not make a visit. I also don't discount coincidences or my gut feel when something is not right, I would rather side with caution then risk getting caught. A few years ago I walked into a hotel in Ottawa to meet up with a local SP, when I got off the elevator something just wasn't feeling right and I turned around and walked away. A few days I read in the local papers about a sting. After that I made it a rule to never visit an SP at a hotel.I don't see the cops spending multiple hours on surveillance of a massage parlor there are any number of other reasons they would be hanging out in that area. Problem with LE in Wpg is they tend to ignore things for a while until the get a citizens complaint then they go way overboard like they did with the bong sellers
interesting... I thought going to places like William should be pretty safe. Let's say I am only going there for a massage so technically there shouldn't be any issue unless they caught me in act which won't happen. But what if they go in and found I am only getting a massage. Then they can't really prove anything..right? Still should be safe. The new law is very vague, they only need to prove I had intention of getting a HE. So, I don't know. i would have thought going to vipotg is more risky, I would rather go see an independent. Sigh!! not sure what to do. I thought with all these things going on .. my thinking was that I can continue to go William or Phoenix or other places like this for massage. and usually there is no communication. I don't even ask for anything extra. lol. And then once in a while see an Independent.
As RCB said under the old law it was illegal for the girl, under the new law it is illegal for you. Same prism just at a different angle lol If the police were to just come in while you were there and you were not caught in the act then you probably won't be walking out in handcuffs, a fine and into the system is a more likely outcome. BUT this has yet to be tested.interesting... I thought going to places like William should be pretty safe. Let's say I am only going there for a massage so technically there shouldn't be any issue unless they caught me in act which won't happen. But what if they go in and found I am only getting a massage. Then they can't really prove anything..right? Still should be safe. The new law is very vague, they only need to prove I had intention of getting a HE. So, I don't know. i would have thought going to vipotg is more risky, I would rather go see an independent. Sigh!! not sure what to do. I thought with all these things going on .. my thinking was that I can continue to go William or Phoenix or other places like this for massage. and usually there is no communication. I don't even ask for anything extra. lol. And then once in a while see an Independent.
For the visiting girls like vipotg and KNL they have rented condos, so they are technically private residences so harder justification to enter. The MPs are regulated under the City Bylaws, which have set out requirements for location and licensing, and most of the new places that have opened in the last 1-2 years do not have a body rub license and would not be eligible regardless as they are not within the specific area the by-law has said they need to be in. So easier justification to enter. The one component of the law which is extremely unclear is that of what a public place is, obviously working on the street is public, working from home is private, but where does an MP fit in, once in the room you are in private but the business itself is public access.
I still frequent most of the MPs and the occasional visiting Asians but am just much more cautious.
I am curious if anyone knows why Simi closed down the William location.
Apparently they had worked out a discount program with WRHA for 10% off services lol
http://www.wrha.mb.ca/professionals/star/files/SimiSpaDiscountMay2013.pdf
Apparently they had worked out a discount program with WRHA for 10% off services lol
http://www.wrha.mb.ca/professionals/star/files/SimiSpaDiscountMay2013.pdf
