Noted. My response was made as I read down the thread and I hadn't seen your later response. My bad for not reading everything first.
The importance of timing
- Thread starter SeductiveCameronDEL
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I am sorry to hear you are aren't feeling your best Cameron. From my perspective (and I stress that I don't speak for others), I find ladies ranting about clients to be unprofessional, unattractive and unhelpful. Cameron has a legitimate concern about managing time. It seems to me that perb is a great place to start the thread with something to the effect of, " I am having a challenge with clients showing up too early and others seeming to think they deserve more time than they have purchased. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can manage these clients without seeming to be ungrateful for their patronage?" I guess I could be accused of being a guy and not addressing the issue of her feelings, but sp's are businesswomen and dealing with this from a perspective of solving the underlying problem seems important to me.
Beyond that, I don't feel excited about seeing women who have ranted because it leaves me with a bad vibe about how they may react during a session or it leaves me focusing on anything that they may not like.
BTW Cameron, I do have some thoughts on how you can deal with the time issues, pm me if you would like me to share them.
Beyond that, I don't feel excited about seeing women who have ranted because it leaves me with a bad vibe about how they may react during a session or it leaves me focusing on anything that they may not like.
BTW Cameron, I do have some thoughts on how you can deal with the time issues, pm me if you would like me to share them.
Yes timing is everything,it can totally spoil a session for both people if it dosent work out.I think on the guys part it boils down to respect for the ladies and after talking to a lot of the girls unfortunately a high percentage of guys don't really care about their time.I personally give myself 20 minutes extra time before I leave,just in case there is traffic,no parking,cant find the place etc.If you get there early all the better,u can relax,play with your phone,read a book whatever.I will sometimes send a text saying I am early are u ready,but that is only if I have seen her before and know she is comfortable with me.Not every sp can answer a text 15 min prior if they are in the shower,doing makeup,nails etc.The other issue with guys trying to get extra time at the end must be frustrating for the girls as well,sometimes you just cant come for a variety of reasons,i have been there before and a lot of girls go the extra mile to help you out,but really should they give you extra time if it is your problem,not theirs.Having seen Cameron before,she really is one of the best in town,hopefully she dosent get to frustrated with this business and leave it.
As someone that knows Cameron and how easy-going she is, I think her point is being misinterpreted. I don't believe she's upset with the clients who keep her in the loop regarding whether they'll be early or late. I think the frustration (and one I can definitely sympathize with) is when someone shows up unannounced.
What's being forgotten is that downtown Victoria (and immediate surrounding areas) is far less busy than Vancouver. There's a lot more residential areas that butt up right next to the condos downtown, often there's not really any sort of "buffer". It can be very nerve-wracking to sit around waiting for someone to arrive when they're late as you begin to fret about "has someone seen them coming into my building?" kind of thing. It can be even worse when you've seen someone before so they already know the address, buzzer codes, etc.
I believe that when she says she's getting taken advantage of it's not necessarily pertaining to how much money she's losing or making or whatever. It's the general disrespect of someone believing they can waltz in 20 minutes late. We set hours aside to prepare to meet people and yes, life does happen which causes you to run late or early sometimes. Take this into account: perhaps she schedules to meet a gentleman at 2pm. She does this because she knows that building maintenance, landscapers, landlords or even garbage men have a schedule and she knows from past experience that 2pm is a 'clear zone' to bring someone into her space without them being noticed. When a person arrives early, the chances of them running into someone is higher. Simple and basic text communication can avoid the awkwardness on everyone's behalf.
Not to mention that assuming she sees 4 clients a day here is asinine. Her personal life time is worth something as well, maybe she has a yoga class she wants to go to at a specific time or has plans with friends. Many of the independents here that I know do this for the flexibility so that they can attend to personal endeavours like schooling, volunteering, personal wellness, what have you. Expecting her to push everything aside constantly is quite rude. Victoria is a small city and even with a large amount of regular clients it's totally not feasible to see that many people here a day and maintain a high standard for your client base.
While maybe her personal life is causes other anxieties (girl, you awesome and don't stop doing you) it doesn't really trivialize the legitimate issue she's brought up. Discretion from both parties is extremely important in this industry and it does cause upset when one party feels that they're not receiving the same level of discretion they're providing (that goes for both the provider and client, I'm not insinuating that it's completely one-sided).
What's being forgotten is that downtown Victoria (and immediate surrounding areas) is far less busy than Vancouver. There's a lot more residential areas that butt up right next to the condos downtown, often there's not really any sort of "buffer". It can be very nerve-wracking to sit around waiting for someone to arrive when they're late as you begin to fret about "has someone seen them coming into my building?" kind of thing. It can be even worse when you've seen someone before so they already know the address, buzzer codes, etc.
I believe that when she says she's getting taken advantage of it's not necessarily pertaining to how much money she's losing or making or whatever. It's the general disrespect of someone believing they can waltz in 20 minutes late. We set hours aside to prepare to meet people and yes, life does happen which causes you to run late or early sometimes. Take this into account: perhaps she schedules to meet a gentleman at 2pm. She does this because she knows that building maintenance, landscapers, landlords or even garbage men have a schedule and she knows from past experience that 2pm is a 'clear zone' to bring someone into her space without them being noticed. When a person arrives early, the chances of them running into someone is higher. Simple and basic text communication can avoid the awkwardness on everyone's behalf.
Not to mention that assuming she sees 4 clients a day here is asinine. Her personal life time is worth something as well, maybe she has a yoga class she wants to go to at a specific time or has plans with friends. Many of the independents here that I know do this for the flexibility so that they can attend to personal endeavours like schooling, volunteering, personal wellness, what have you. Expecting her to push everything aside constantly is quite rude. Victoria is a small city and even with a large amount of regular clients it's totally not feasible to see that many people here a day and maintain a high standard for your client base.
While maybe her personal life is causes other anxieties (girl, you awesome and don't stop doing you) it doesn't really trivialize the legitimate issue she's brought up. Discretion from both parties is extremely important in this industry and it does cause upset when one party feels that they're not receiving the same level of discretion they're providing (that goes for both the provider and client, I'm not insinuating that it's completely one-sided).
It seems that lately, the assumption is being made when an SP expresses an opinion that is seen as disfavourable to clients, she's ranting. No one can hear tone of voice through a monitor; there isn't a program that allows anyone to interpret intention. More and more, it seems SPs with brains, opinions & thoughts are being put down, dragged through the mud, and trashed unnecessarily. I don't believe that it is unreasonable for anyone to ask their clients to treat an SP as courteously as that client would like to be treated. Lately, the Lounge seems to be infected with a serious lack of empathy.
This is pretty much how it should be seen. While its sometimes difficult to get 2 shots in during the hour, if you communicate to your provider that that's what you're looking for I have no doubt that most are more than happy to accommodate you and make sure that you leave doubly satisfied. However it's not "beat the c(l)ock".
As a seasoned internet boards veteran (mostly hockey boards, I'm a nerd I know), it does take awhile to learn that inflection and sarcasm sometimes don't really translate well through text. At the end of the day it is just the internet and not to let anything effect us too deeply. I mean, you have to remember the cardinal rule -- if it exists there's porn of it on the internet.
Call me crazy but I tend to classify a post that includes the line, "...which is why I'm bitching about the time," a rant. That is not the issue as I see it. I think Cameron would have been better served had she asked if anyone had any ideas how she could solve the problem of early arrivals and late stayers. While not asked for here are some ideas.
Early Arrivals
1. For first time clients, don't provide the address until they call from nearby your location at 5 minutes prior to the visit.
2. For repeat clients, you might still ask that they call prior to ringing the bell and just reinforce when they book that the timing is important
3. Given the travel time issue some posters have mentioned, you could recommend a nearby park or coffee shop that they could visit if they arrive early.
Late Departers
1. If you have a "security" person they could call you a couple minutes past the appointment ending time and then you could use that as a way to bring things to a close.
2. While not a big fan of alarm clocks, you can have one poised to ring at the end of the time. Could be a bit tacky for a higher end provider.
3. As many ladies suggest to guys, communication is key.
Early Arrivals
1. For first time clients, don't provide the address until they call from nearby your location at 5 minutes prior to the visit.
2. For repeat clients, you might still ask that they call prior to ringing the bell and just reinforce when they book that the timing is important
3. Given the travel time issue some posters have mentioned, you could recommend a nearby park or coffee shop that they could visit if they arrive early.
Late Departers
1. If you have a "security" person they could call you a couple minutes past the appointment ending time and then you could use that as a way to bring things to a close.
2. While not a big fan of alarm clocks, you can have one poised to ring at the end of the time. Could be a bit tacky for a higher end provider.
3. As many ladies suggest to guys, communication is key.
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No kidding, someone's got a bad case of the grumpies, doesn't sound like much fun.
Interesting thread, I have always let a sp know if I was going to be 5-10 minutes late.
But never more then that , is it safe to say once you reach that 15-20 minute range you might as well cancel? I can see how commiting to something and not being able to honor it is real frustrating ,
But never more then that , is it safe to say once you reach that 15-20 minute range you might as well cancel? I can see how commiting to something and not being able to honor it is real frustrating ,
I realize shit happens, so I never book back to back. If a client is more than 10 minutes late with no notice, I will send a questioning text. 20 minutes no notice, and I send a text informing the gent I won't be able to honor his appointment. The last time I had to do so, I had a text arrive just after saying "No! I'm here now!" Then the gent got out of his car without waiting for the house number, walked down the side walkway to where my tenant's suite is, and said to her "Erica? Hi! I thought you were a redhead...."
and THAT's why we dislike it when the protocol isn't followed.
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ah yes and no,
my job relies a lot on time to, so I get it, but minutes as in two or three or maybe five, yes five minutes is pushing it,
But I look at my watch and look at the watch or clock the sp uses and there is a five minute difference between the two. is it my fault she doesn't know what time it is.
I run by the clock, to and five minutes is no big deal, an sp who has it timed down to the minute, is just anal.
But as a guy if you want to get naked with a women, she is the boss, so learn her rules her likes and dislikes and follow them..
If me and an sp communicate by text, I actually text her, let her know I am in the bar down the street having a drink or the tims, or the lobby down stairs.
and tell her no worries but when ever she is ready, we can start the show.
and I get it the ladies charge by the hour, and its expensive, dam expensive, I have paid out well never mind.
But it works both ways, ladies charge so much then excuse them self to check there phone or computer,
I ain't paying you hundreds of dollars and hour, so you can check your phone and text and email with some one else.
I am not talking about anyone in particular but that just pisses me off,
my job relies a lot on time to, so I get it, but minutes as in two or three or maybe five, yes five minutes is pushing it,
But I look at my watch and look at the watch or clock the sp uses and there is a five minute difference between the two. is it my fault she doesn't know what time it is.
I run by the clock, to and five minutes is no big deal, an sp who has it timed down to the minute, is just anal.
But as a guy if you want to get naked with a women, she is the boss, so learn her rules her likes and dislikes and follow them..
If me and an sp communicate by text, I actually text her, let her know I am in the bar down the street having a drink or the tims, or the lobby down stairs.
and tell her no worries but when ever she is ready, we can start the show.
and I get it the ladies charge by the hour, and its expensive, dam expensive, I have paid out well never mind.
But it works both ways, ladies charge so much then excuse them self to check there phone or computer,
I ain't paying you hundreds of dollars and hour, so you can check your phone and text and email with some one else.
I am not talking about anyone in particular but that just pisses me off,
'The importance of timing'...... respect is a two way street. I personally do my best to be on time but like some have suggested, 'stuff happens' like traffic, parking, etc. Some understanding there would be nice.
There was one time I had a problem with a parking meter in front of a provider's residence. The meter was broken and I had run out of change after trying to plug the meter a couple of times. I ended up having to pay by phone but since if was after hours (no operator), I had to first register by key pad. Anyway by the time I was registered and paid, I was 20 minutes late. The provider who I had been seeing for over 2 years was totally understanding and suggested we meet again on the weekend since the suite had already been booked by another provider after our scheduled time. She could have just rushed me and cut my time short but didn't. After that she gave me her number and we are all good from then on.
There was one time I had a problem with a parking meter in front of a provider's residence. The meter was broken and I had run out of change after trying to plug the meter a couple of times. I ended up having to pay by phone but since if was after hours (no operator), I had to first register by key pad. Anyway by the time I was registered and paid, I was 20 minutes late. The provider who I had been seeing for over 2 years was totally understanding and suggested we meet again on the weekend since the suite had already been booked by another provider after our scheduled time. She could have just rushed me and cut my time short but didn't. After that she gave me her number and we are all good from then on.
100%. All the ranting I see from escorts on boards like these only confirm that they are the last people worth paying money to spend time with. If I wanted a woman ranting, I would get married.
I would assume that the 'ranting' occurs in the confines of this board and is not a normal part of the GFE or MILF experience. Unless it is deserved due to some infraction or offense by the gentleman. I'd much rather they let off steam on here than during a visit, nor do I equate letting off steam here with what I can expect during a visit.
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Then we choose to assume differently. I assume true colours are just that. :nod:
