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Peter MacKay Must Resign

phreak

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There is no way this bloodthirsty son of a bitch should continue as our Justice Minister. Keep in mind, he is a professional lawyer, not just a populist politician, so the 'Bill' has not been a result of the lack of legal knowledge. The scum knew exactly what he was doing though it was 100% illegal and barbaric.

What would be the legal procedure to make him resign: signing a petition, submitting a formal complaint to RCMP to initiate investigation into corruption and abuse of power? Any other suggestions?
 

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There is no way this bloodthirsty son of a bitch should continue as our Justice Minister. Keep in mind, he is a professional lawyer, not just a populist politician, so the 'Bill' has not been a result of the lack of legal knowledge. The scum knew exactly what he was doing though it was 100% illegal and barbaric.

What would be the legal procedure to make him resign: signing a petition, submitting a formal complaint to RCMP to initiate investigation into corruption and abuse of power? Any other suggestions?
Take a pill. There is no way. It is almost as if you think politicians should not lie, should only represent the public interest, should not make laws to benefit their own party.... We don't live in that world; never have.
 

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There is no way this bloodthirsty son of a bitch should continue as our Justice Minister. Keep in mind, he is a professional lawyer, not just a populist politician, so the 'Bill' has not been a result of the lack of legal knowledge. The scum knew exactly what he was doing though it was 100% illegal and barbaric.
What would be the legal procedure to make him resign: signing a petition, submitting a formal complaint to RCMP to initiate investigation into corruption and abuse of power? Any other suggestions?
For better or for worse this is democracy in action… and believe it or not this is not the most outrageous act committed by this government, not by a long shot. It hits us because we have a special interest and we want this industry to be safe for everyone.
For those who didn't bother voting in the last election, take stock of this!

Have a look at bill C-13 that Peter MacKay is trying to pass; it gives telecom and internet companies immunity in handing over personal information on users, without a warrant, to police or government officials such as Canada Revenue Service:

https://openmedia.ca/blog/canada’s-...c-13-continues-and-next-stage-will-be-crucial

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...rob-ford-access-to-your-personal-online-data/

This also is very concerning for this industry, for obvious reasons, and it's also at the committee stage this month, with the government first having used their majority to cut debate short. Double whammy.
 
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phreak

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Gentlemen, I'm far from being naive regarding what politicians are capable of, but my point is different. This 'Bill' is way different from anything else this government implemented or tried to implement in the past. Any other bills/laws were about going after REAL criminals (terrorists/child molesters, etc.). What was questionable is not the fact that these people should be prosecuted, but the power given to LE/authorities to do it, the power which can be easily and grossy abused.

This was bad, but this is nothing compare to 'Prostitution Bill'. Here the issue is totally different: it's about going after people who have always been considered innocent and good citizens during all the time Canada existed. Not mentioning that the whole idea of 'prosecuting' people for consensual sex is so barbaric, that it is just hard to imagine that the government is trying to do it for real. You don't seem to realize the gravity of it. Peter MacKay wants us to be in jail not because we are of any danger to the society, but for the only reason that we don't share his weird, radical and extremist ideology.
 

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Peter MacKay is actually pretty mainstream. We, sadly for us, are the outliers.
 

phreak

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Peter MacKay is actually pretty mainstream. We, sadly for us, are the outliers.
Incorrect. Being against prostitution/buying sex may be somewhat mainstream in this country, but criminal prosecution for buying sex is definitely not and has never been. 'Immoral' does not equal 'illegal'.
 

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Peter Mackay is an astute politician and he knows that to progress his career in politics he will need to get re-elected. His riding is ultra right wing and so he comes out with some right wing legislation which does not stand a chance of getting passed into law and his constituents are happy that he tried.

Politics is a game. It is possible that he has put this forward to have the upper courts settle the issue legally for the country and dodge the bullet of being the politician who relaxed the moral standards of the old guard or more conservative voters.

This is not what is good for the country, most voters won't vote for that. This is making people happy and allowing the constitution to enforce the changes which may not be popular. Gay marriage went through the same process.

I think Harper threw MacKay to the wolves when he made him Justice Minister. Good way to eliminate a potential competitor for Prime Minister. Give him this post with political dynamite on the table in terms of legislation agendas on the books.

Bill Bennett did the same thing with Vanderzalm when he made him Minister of Education. Vanderzalm came out with his views on religion etc. and he was thrown out of government. (he came back later as premier though so maybe the strategy backfired in the end)
 

phreak

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Peter Mackay is an astute politician and he knows that to progress his career in politics he will need to get re-elected. His riding is ultra right wing and so he comes out with some right wing legislation which does not stand a chance of getting passed into law and his constituents are happy that he tried.

Politics is a game. It is possible that he has put this forward to have the upper courts settle the issue legally for the country and dodge the bullet of being the politician who relaxed the moral standards of the old guard or more conservative voters.

This is not what is good for the country, most voters won't vote for that. This is making people happy and allowing the constitution to enforce the changes which may not be popular. Gay marriage went through the same process.

I think Harper threw MacKay to the wolves when he made him Justice Minister. Good way to eliminate a potential competitor for Prime Minister. Give him this post with political dynamite on the table in terms of legislation agendas on the books.

Bill Bennett did the same thing with Vanderzalm when he made him Minister of Education. Vanderzalm came out with his views on religion etc. and he was thrown out of government. (he came back later as premier though so maybe the strategy backfired in the end)

What you fail to understand is that the issue is not about politics, it is about criminal activities. What Peter MacKay has done is called 'hate crime'. He publicly suggested to PERSECUTE innocent people based on their membership in a particular social group (pooners). Peter MacKay should be prosecuted for hate propaganda, and I have no idea how he can continue as the Justice Minister after doing something that outrageous.
 

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I doubt that legislation has any chance of being passed
Hopefully not, but I believe Peter MacKay should be prosecuted for what he has already done, and this has nothing to do with how likely for his hate propaganda to become the law.
 

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People keep forgetting (or don't know to begin with) that politicians seldom do what is good for people. They do what is popular and gets them votes. They want a second term in office so that they get their 6 years "service" and pension for life. When people call them on their fat-cat salaries and pensions, they take away from the from-line workers and make it look like they are taking a hit for the country out of their own pockets.
 

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How is this going to be accomplished? Sure this law is silly and nonsensical. But like I said before 90% of the population don't care either way.
 

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On the other hand, some comments by Mz. Scream that were aired on another show are less than helpful.

Criminalize the client is a horrible thing because not all clients of sex workers are rapists or are violent or are bad people. There's people out there that just are not able to obtain sexual services for whatever reason it is. Maybe they have a disability or it's old age.
Mz. Scream's comment is at about 4:44 of the podcast at https://soundcloud.com/larryfedorukshow/the-5-things-we-learned-this-week-june-614
 

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There is no way this bloodthirsty son of a bitch should continue as our Justice Minister. Keep in mind, he is a professional lawyer, not just a populist politician, so the 'Bill' has not been a result of the lack of legal knowledge. The scum knew exactly what he was doing though it was 100% illegal and barbaric.

What would be the legal procedure to make him resign: signing a petition, submitting a formal complaint to RCMP to initiate investigation into corruption and abuse of power? Any other suggestions?
You preferred Vic Toews?
 

phreak

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'Criminalize the client is a horrible thing because not all clients of sex workers are rapists or are violent or are bad people. There's people out there that just are not able to obtain sexual services for whatever reason it is. Maybe they have a disability or it's old age.'

OMG, I can't believe people in this country can be so uneducated and barbaric in the year 2014. Ironically clients of sex workers don't differ from any other 'normal' people at all. Human beings are polygamous, it's a scientific fact: it is absolutely normal to have multiple sex partners, and it is abnormal to have just one or none. Whether it's for money or for free is irrelevant - it's just a matter of convenience. The whole idea that a person can become a sex worker's client just because of a disability or old age or inability to obtain sexual services for any other reason is just so retarded!
 

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'Criminalize the client is a horrible thing because not all clients of sex workers are rapists or are violent or are bad people. There's people out there that just are not able to obtain sexual services for whatever reason it is. Maybe they have a disability or it's old age.'

OMG, I can't believe people in this country can be so uneducated and barbaric in the year 2014. Ironically clients of sex workers don't differ from any other 'normal' people at all. Human beings are polygamous, it's a scientific fact: it is absolutely normal to have multiple sex partners, and it is abnormal to have just one or none. Whether it's for money or for free is irrelevant - it's just a matter of convenience. The whole idea that a person can become a sex worker's client just because of a disability or old age or inability to obtain sexual services for any other reason is just so retarded!
I think she just expressed herself very poorly. Without knowing more about her, I wouldn't make any judgments about her.
 

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McKay is a traitor to those who were true blue-and-red Progressive Conservatives, which was the real conservative party in Canada.
I was not a fan of former PC leader Joe Clark, but he is a decent man, and represented the Progressive part of his party's name.
He has a justified strong dislike of McKay.
McKay threw "Progressive" under the bus when he pushed for the annexation of the PCs by Harper's Canadian Alliance Party (aka Reform Party).

So today's Conservative Party's policies are best understood in light of where they come from. No "Progressive" element allowed. Right-wing all the way.
If there's an action that the Conservatives are against, then they will build a prison for it.

McKay is smart and uses his smarts to advance a backwards mentality, a neo-Nazi inclination to persecute all not in his sense of self-righteous morality.
He is fully aware of the constitutional shortfalls of his bill, but includes them anyway, even to have his law for a few years. Then do it again.
So, this makes him a dangerous man for what should be the most inclusive country on this planet.... Canada.

Former girlfriend Belinda Stronach saw the real core of McKay and quickly walked (sprinted?) away. Wish we could rid ourselves of him as easily.
 

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You know the comment about old aged people not being able to get sex brought home a few memories. Like a recall hearing about prostitutes being allowed in convalescent homes in some countries in Europe as part of the treatment. After all, sex is a normal and natural act, and a healthy one for many of us. But without a willing partner, it doesn't happen. So there is a legit need for these services to the sick and elderly. Imagine knowing you are dying, and maybe you want those services one more time and being told it is illegal for you. I also recall a story of a young man dying of cancer and he had never had sex and asked for it to know it before he died. I just can't imagine it being denied on a legal basis like that.

This whole thing stinks of purity and religion rather than humanity and caring. Haven't we had enough of it in our past treatment of sexual groups. We finally liberated sexual orientations, we seem to be unable to recognize that this goes hand in hand with the freedom of reasonable individuals to make an arrangement for sex that doesn't involve love, affection, marriage, or social commitment. Just a none commital form of relaxation.

So what can we do about it? do you have time to follow your MP around? could you find out if your MP is having sex with some one who gains something from it. Of course if he or she does, then that is for gain, and he or she is involved in prostitution, and the MP is buying sex under the new law. Lets get the people who vote for this law in their own back yard.
 
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