MacKay announces that a bill is coming soon to regulate prostitution.

[HankQuinlan]

I will be very surprised if it turns out to be a good, balanced bit of legislation. If it sticks to making laws easier to enforce against genuine abusers, and offers good strategies and funding for those who wish to leave the trade, fine....but what are the chances of that? Get ready for a version of the Nordic model. You are all criminals (except for the women here, who are all victims).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/peter-mackay-promises-new-prostitution-bill-before-summer-1.2601014

 

[Lo-ki]

I can hardly wait for that ...
They will screw it up I am sure.

Loki

 

[johnsmit]

Any attempt to but in a Nordic styal law.. will not stand up to a constituional chalange

Common sence says you cant have it legal to offer the service but illegal to use it . So exactly what are the cities selling licences for
I Dont think Canadian men will bea bunch of pussies like the swedes

I could see something down the line of making it illegal for women to work on the streets.and that they could only work in liciened agencirs.. for safty reason...That would saticfiy the court ruling.

 

[sbill]

C'mon y'all. Stop hatin' on Swedish models!

http://coed.com/2012/06/06/sexiest-swedish-models-actress-photos/

 

[HankQuinlan]

But MacKay described the forthcoming bill as a uniquely Canadian solution.

"There is no simple answer to a question as complex as prostitution.

"Suffice it to say that we are focusing - and will be focusing in this legislation - on not only acting in the best interests of the vulnerable and Canadians, but also there will need to be support mechanisms outside the legislation in order to help people to transition out of the sex trade," MacKay said.

I keep waiting to hear the rest of it - the part about making it safe for those women who have chosen this work voluntarily and don't want to transition out of it!!

You will be waiting a long time for that part. You just need help recognizing your victimhood, and to realize how you are letting down your sisters by engaging voluntarily in an abusive system. Perhaps a period of re-education is in order?

 

[badbadboy]

I am getting my email address out to all the SP's I know and trust now :nod:

I just have a gut feeling that this will become very much an underground client/provider economy in the not too distant future.

 

[CLUB78]

C'mon y'all. Stop hatin' on Swedish models!

http://coed.com/2012/06/06/sexiest-swedish-models-actress-photos/

I wonder if that's how Tiger Woods met his first wife? Just look up a Swedish models website and have your publicist call the ones you like best.

 

[badbadboy]

Just have to wait until the religous fundamentalists in power get their asses thrown to the curb. Qute certain the Liberals when they resume power will get rid of any legislation the the conservatives steamroll through.

While I appreciate your optimism, I unfortunately do not share it...

"In French, Trudeau went further, saying it's important to recognize that 'prostitution itself is a form of violence against women.' He called for a 'responsible, informed debate' on the issue.

Trudeau also said Liberals are 'certainly going to look at' the so-called Nordic model, which penalizes those who purchase sex, not those who sell it."

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2500357

Not to derail the thread into a Liberal v Conservative debate, I think it is important to note that the Liberals are extremely disorganized and young Trudeau keeps putting out soundbites that the Tories use in their next negative Liberal TV ad. Not that I have ever voted for them but in this case I think the only party that will at least give it some attention is the NDP. Conservatives have their agenda, Liberals don't have their shit together and the NDP are somewhat sympathetic to Women's and Sex Worker's causes.

 

[sdw]

Not to derail the thread into a Liberal v Conservative debate, I think it is important to note that the Liberals are extremely disorganized and young Trudeau keeps putting out soundbites that the Tories use in their next negative Liberal TV ad. Not that I have ever voted for them but in this case I think the only party that will at least give it some attention is the NDP. Conservatives have their agenda, Liberals don't have their shit together and the NDP are somewhat sympathetic to Women's and Sex Worker's causes.

All three National Political Parties are against decriminalization of prostitution. The only thing that will moderate them away from criminalization is the fact that the Supreme Court of Canada has closed that direction off. I have to agree with Hank Quinlan, the "Nordic Model" is most likely what will be debated in the House of Commons. What will differentiate the political parties is what funds/programs are created to "support" prostitutes in leaving prostitution. The Conservatives won't want to spend any money, The Liberals will want to create a national committee that does little and the NDP will want community teams made up of Union Members.

Nationally, in the 2015 Federal Election, the Conservatives and Liberals are the only parties that are in the running to form a government. The Bloc will represent Quebec and the NDP will be fortunate if they aren't the fourth party in the House of Commons. The Liberals are going to take many Quebec seats. The real race is going to be in Toronto and it's suburbs. It will depend on how well the Ontario Liberals do in their provincial election and how close it is to the federal election.

 

[badbadboy]

All three National Political Parties are against decriminalization of prostitution. The only thing that will moderate them away from criminalization is the fact that the Supreme Court of Canada has closed that direction off. I have to agree with Hank Quinlan, the "Nordic Model" is most likely what will be debated in the House of Commons. What will differentiate the political parties is what funds/programs are created to "support" prostitutes in leaving prostitution. The Conservatives won't want to spend any money, The Liberals will want to create a national committee that does little and the NDP will want community teams made up of Union Members.

Nationally, in the 2015 Federal Election, the Conservatives and Liberals are the only parties that are in the running to form a government. The Bloc will represent Quebec and the NDP will be fortunate if they aren't the fourth party in the House of Commons. The Liberals are going to take many Quebec seats. The real race is going to be in Toronto and it's suburbs. It will depend on how well the Ontario Liberals do in their provincial election and how close it is to the federal election.

When you post this stuff do you ever consider that the Conservatives have a "base" whose wishes they have to appeal to when considering legislation? i.e. the Religious Right??

Most importantly, How do you know about anything that is internal to those parties? Have they posted any information with some meat on it or just position statements? They have not collectively published a paper on their actual position.

It's one thing to post links where you retrieved your information to back up your statement and a totally another thing to post what you "think" is true. To me, all your posts are pure conjecture.

 

[bcneil]

Unfortunate you dont feel safe. I see a dramatc change happening right now, i hope its just a "phase".

I too would love to see the incentive packages! Ill take an education and severance! Lol

It will be interesting to see what they come up with. I don't think you should expect much. What's to stop every 19 year old girl that can't afford college or some post secondary program, from just pretending they are an SP?

 

[sdw]

When you post this stuff do you ever consider that the Conservatives have a "base" whose wishes they have to appeal to when considering legislation? i.e. the Religious Right??

Most importantly, How do you know about anything that is internal to those parties? Have they posted any information with some meat on it or just position statements? They have not collectively published a paper on their actual position.

It's one thing to post links where you retrieved your information to back up your statement and a totally another thing to post what you "think" is true. To me, all your posts are pure conjecture.

http://cfuwadvocacy.wordpress.com/2...debate-cfuw-joins-in-supporting-nordic-model/
The article quotes numerous members of all political parties

 

[johnsmit]

OK prostitution is legal in Canada.. There are no laws agaist prostituting ones self..
So why is there allway this talk of they don:t want to decrimilize prostitution.. At pressent it is not a crime to use the services of a prostitut. and i am still wondering how they an just make a law and say that it is illegal to use the services of a lrostitut.

The Canadian charter of Rights and Freedoms. wont soport that change in statues..

 

[bcneil]

OK prostitution is legal in Canada.. There are no laws agaist prostituting ones self..
So why is there allway this talk of they don:t want to decrimilize prostitution.. At pressent it is not a crime to use the services of a prostitut. and i am still wondering how they an just make a law and say that it is illegal to use the services of a lrostitut.

The Canadian charter of Rights and Freedoms. wont soport that change in statues..

You tell us. You're the one always saying what a proud Christian you are. Enlighten us how the Christian brain works.

 

[WreckBeach]

Has anyone heard any concrete plans as to what kind of incentives or help they'll be offering SP's who want to transition out of the industry?

A severance package would be nice, along with a free scholarship for continued education and all moving expenses paid to relocate.




If they were to offer something like that, I think I'd consider taking it at this point, as the industry has not felt safe for me for a very long time.

Sorry to hear that Ms. Sarah. Would be nice if they offered something like that for real, I'd sign up to be a male escort and transition out to take advantage of it lol.

 

[bcneil]

Sorry to hear that Ms. Sarah. Would be nice if they offered something like that for real, I'd sign up to be a male escort and transition out to take advantage of it lol.

My prediction of how they help SPs looking to get out of the industry..........drug counselling.....and maybe some sort of group home, like they have for battered spouses.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Sorry to hear that Ms. Sarah. Would be nice if they offered something like that for real, I'd sign up to be a male escort and transition out to take advantage of it lol.

Sorry. Male prostitutes are not in the picture. They don't exist in the framework of the discussion.

 

[susi]

at least it seems that he understands that there are other laws for protecting people....the fight against the nordic model is pretty huge, has heavy hitters and is based in reality not radical feminist ideology....that said, i am still worried.....they clearly didn't read my letter....

Dear Ms. Davis:

Thank you for your correspondence of February 2, 2014, concerning prostitution.

As you may know, on December 20, 2013, the Supreme Court of Canada rendered its decision in Bedford v. Attorney General of Canada. The Court found that three prostitution‑related provisions in the Criminal Code were unconstitutional: the bawdy house offence with respect to the practice of prostitution; the living on the avails offence; and, the communicating for the purposes of prostitution offence.

The Court suspended the effects of this decision for one year. The Government is considering a legislative response to this judgment. You may be interested to know that the Department of Justice Canada launched an online consultation, from February 17 to March 17, 2014, to seek the views of Canadians on this issue.

We are committed to ensuring that the criminal law continues to address the significant harms that flow from prostitution to communities and to those engaged in prostitution, as well as other vulnerable persons. It is important to note that a number of other Criminal Code provisions remain in place to protect those engaged in prostitution and other vulnerable persons, including procuring offences, child prostitution offences, and human trafficking offences.

Thank you again for writing.
Yours truly,

The Honourable Peter MacKay

 

[susi]

so, 212 (1)(j) has also been struck down but as outlined above there are still parts of that section which apply to exploitative or coersive conditions.

living of the avails was too broad and meant no security guards, bouncers, drivers, madams...etc.

but there are still parts related to youth etc. which remain on the books.

love susie

 

[johnsmit]

There is no need to write a new law.. When majority of the old law was not effected...
Hoestly it looks like they baited the pro pprotitution group .. into getting a small part of the law revocked so they could implement thier aggenda