Churchies are evil

[sdw]

Very often I get told that people that "adopt" large numbers of children are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

I come from a religious community with very large families. When I try to explain what happens, people tell me "that can't possibly be true"

Reuters has investigated and offers this report:

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption-follows/

Complain about abuse, get "re-homed" with yet another set of perverts.

 

[retriever]

Very often I get told that people that "adopt" large numbers of children are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

I come from a religious community with very large families. When I try to explain what happens, people tell me "that can't possibly be true"

Reuters has investigated and offers this report:

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption-follows/

Complain about abuse, get "re-homed" with yet another set of perverts.

"Churchies are evil". I assume you're saying churches are evil.

Would that be like saying all prostitutes are forced into the profession out of necessity? And want to get out? Or a pig farmer kills prostitutes therefore all pig farmers are killers?

Painting all religions with one paint brush, really?

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Very often I get told that people that "adopt" large numbers of children are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

I come from a religious community with very large families. When I try to explain what happens, people tell me "that can't possibly be true"

Reuters has investigated and offers this report:

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption-follows/

Complain about abuse, get "re-homed" with yet another set of perverts.

Wow, this is more of the same. Stop the monsters (and my comment has nothing to do with churches or religion, although it sounds like sdw has an inside perspective)! Thank you for sharing this!

 

[hornygandalf]

Very often I get told that people that "adopt" large numbers of children are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
I come from a religious community with very large families. When I try to explain what happens, people tell me "that can't possibly be true"
Reuters has investigated and offers this report:
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption-follows/
Complain about abuse, get "re-homed" with yet another set of perverts.

I didn't get why you titled this "Churchies are evil" when none of this article seemed to suggest there was a church connection (at least, not from my quick read through it). It is like saying that all Muslims are terrorists or Islam creates terrorists. Both are totally untrue. There are evil and sick people of all kinds in the world, and whether they come from a particular ethnic, cultural, religious, sexual preference background is irrelevant. And yes, some may use religion or membership of some other group/tribe (of what ever kind) as a cloak to mask their nefarious actions. But that is very different from saying everyone of that particular group are like that.

Yes, this kind of practice needs to be stopped. But, that is what the focus should be on here rather than labelling a particular group (that in this case didn't seem to be involved except in a positive way at the end).

 

[sdw]

I didn't get why you titled this "Churchies are evil" when none of this article seemed to suggest there was a church connection (at least, not from my quick read through it). It is like saying that all Muslims are terrorists or Islam creates terrorists. Both are totally untrue. There are evil and sick people of all kinds in the world, and whether they come from a particular ethnic, cultural, religious, sexual preference background is irrelevant. And yes, some may use religion or membership of some other group/tribe (of what ever kind) as a cloak to mask their nefarious actions. But that is very different from saying everyone of that particular group are like that.

Yes, this kind of practice needs to be stopped. But, that is what the focus should be on here rather than labelling a particular group (that in this case didn't seem to be involved except in a positive way at the end).

You don't see these very large families - especially the adoption of children into an already large family - unless the parents belong to a couple of religious groups. I was born into an FLDS family, however there are denominations of the Baptist, Roman Catholic and reformed Presbyterian that practice/encourage very large families.

These Churches also encourage "discipline" of children.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/spanking.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/another-child-s-death-linked-to-pearls-and-to-train-up-a-child
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1

Actually, the Baptist site is worthy of quoting

Godly Tips on How to Punish and Beat Your Christian Child

"Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being." Proverbs 20:30

From the Landover Baptist Department of Creation Science

1. To begin with, a Christian parent must understand that a child will never learn a lesson unless they are beaten on their naked bottoms until the imprint of the rugged cross is plainly visible on both cheeks. (Proverbs 23:13-14) A clothed bottom is less humiliating and less painful for the wicked child. In fact, the child may feel no pain at all if they are cunning enough to sin while wearing heavy jeans or khaki pants. A youngster who can sit comfortably after a Godly beating will think they have outsmarted you and tend to repeat their misdeed and feel a license to move on to more hardcore sins, like rape and blasphemy. If a child is able to sit down within three days without ointment or a bag of frozen vegetables after their punishment, you have failed as a Christian parent . . .

People that don't belong in these churches don't do much of this stuff because they know that others will complain. This stuff can only be done if you have the cover of your church and home school your children.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

You don't see these very large families - especially the adoption of children into an already large family - unless the parents belong to a couple of religious groups. I was born into an FLDS family, however there are denominations of the Baptist, Roman Catholic and reformed Presbyterian that practice/encourage very large families.

These Churches also encourage "discipline" of children.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/spanking.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/another-child-s-death-linked-to-pearls-and-to-train-up-a-child
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1

Actually, the Baptist site is worthy of quoting


People that don't belong in these churches don't do much of this stuff because they know that others will complain. This stuff can only be done if you have the cover of your church and home school your children.

Yes, sometimes thread headlines can leave lots to be desired...in this case, once we get into the thread, we can see the connection you're making, sdw.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=nmD...xual impropriety in the Mormon Church&f=false

 

[lars_from_mars]

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
-Denis Diderot

 

[HankQuinlan]

You don't see these very large families - especially the adoption of children into an already large family - unless the parents belong to a couple of religious groups. I was born into an FLDS family, however there are denominations of the Baptist, Roman Catholic and reformed Presbyterian that practice/encourage very large families.

These Churches also encourage "discipline" of children.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/spanking.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/another-child-s-death-linked-to-pearls-and-to-train-up-a-child
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1

Actually, the Baptist site is worthy of quoting


People that don't belong in these churches don't do much of this stuff because they know that others will complain. This stuff can only be done if you have the cover of your church and home school your children.

You do realize that the Landover Baptist Church is a satirical site, right? I know, I know, religious satire is difficult, because it is hard to distinguish from the real thing, but I find them amusing.

 

[sdw]

You do realize that the Landover Baptist Church is a satirical site, right? I know, I know, religious satire is difficult, because it is hard to distinguish from the real thing, but I find them amusing.

Actually, I don't have a sense of humour at all when it comes to Churchies. There are Churches that do good work and then there are Churchies who can find a passage in the Bible to justify anything they want to do.

A woman who's father illustrated a book by one of the spanking preachers has this to say http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/how-spanking-changed-my-life.html

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Actually, I don't have a sense of humour at all when it comes to Churchies. There are Churches that do good work and then there are Churchies who can find a passage in the Bible to justify anything they want to do.

A woman who's father illustrated a book by one of the spanking preachers has this to say http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/how-spanking-changed-my-life.html

Sickening...these people (parents that follow the methods, and authors that write about them) should be castrated and then hung...

http://www.examiner.com/article/chi...s-to-speak-out-against-michael-and-debi-pearl

http://www.hostile-aggressive-parenting.com/effects_of_HAP.asp

PS Oops sorry, gentleman1963, I'm not doing so good on the 'hate the sin, not the sinner' agreement. Fuck it. I hate the sinner, and I'll gladly go to hell for it!

 

[hornygandalf]

Actually, I don't have a sense of humour at all when it comes to Churchies. There are Churches that do good work and then there are Churchies who can find a passage in the Bible to justify anything they want to do.

A woman who's father illustrated a book by one of the spanking preachers has this to say http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/how-spanking-changed-my-life.html

This is sickening and those teachings abhorrent. In a number of countries child abuse like this is illegal. It also seems to be well-hidden as I have not been aware of this. But, my point is also that you can't assume that everyone involved in those institutions also practice that kind of behaviour. I understand how you made the links with the original article, but I find it difficult to accept that everyone participating in those institutions are practicing that abuse. Maybe they are, but I also prefer to have a more generous view of human nature, as naive as that may be.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Sickening...these people (parents that follow the methods, and authors that write about them) should be castrated and then hung...

...but I also prefer to have a more generous view of human nature, as naive as that may be.

and you can say that with a straight face, gandalf - even after reading the post above yours?

 

[hornygandalf]

Whoops... double post here...

 

[hornygandalf]

and you can say that with a straight face, gandalf - even after reading the post above yours?

I don't believe that everyone has the nature of Hitler or the people described above. Innocent until proven guilty. So, I try not to make assumptions until the facts are known. But, there are clearly those who do engage in such despicable acts, as given by the posts and links above. I continue to believe that those people are few and in a very small majority. I didn't read all of the links. Didn't particularly want to.

Just as I don't believe that all (or more than a very small number) of Muslims are terrorists, nor do I believe that Christians as a whole are child abusers. In both cases the majority of adherents of those religions consider such acts as abhorrent.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

I don't believe that everyone has the nature of Hitler or the people described above. Innocent until proven guilty. So, I try not to make assumptions until the facts are known. But, there are clearly those who do engage in such despicable acts, as given by the posts and links above. I continue to believe that those people are few and in a very small majority. I didn't read all of the links. Didn't particularly want to.

Just as I don't believe that all (or more than a very small number) of Muslims are terrorists, nor do I believe that Christians as a whole are child abusers. In both cases the majority of adherents of those religions consider such acts as abhorrent.

Sorry HG, I guess I assumed that your perspective was a given. Of Course NOT ALL folks that go to church do any of these things, c'mon. NOT ALL SPs use drugs. NOT ALL Muslims are terrorists. NOT ALL Christians beat or sexually abuse their children. Really...

I took sdw's thread to be about the fact that, because most people can't believe that these things happen at all, the perpetrators are often shielded in a cloak of assumed innocence. That was his point, I thought. Let us not assume that, just because someone espouses religious fever, we shouldn't look deeper when something causes us to raise an eyebrow.

Spoiler alert: watching this Oprah episode requires kleenex nearby (lots of it, and I don't mean for those happy kinds of tears, like in the previous thread's reference to needing kleenex). The stories and situations that these men share are varied but, in reference to this thread, you may be sad and sickened by the use of religion against children...in other words, men (most often) who use their power and the cloak of religious innocence and faith to shield them from the suspicion or the accusations of parents.

You (I use that term collectively, not personally) have been warned:

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Full-Episode-200-Adult-Men-Who-Were-Molested-Come-Forward-Video

 

[sdw]

This is sickening and those teachings abhorrent. In a number of countries child abuse like this is illegal. It also seems to be well-hidden as I have not been aware of this. But, my point is also that you can't assume that everyone involved in those institutions also practice that kind of behaviour. I understand how you made the links with the original article, but I find it difficult to accept that everyone participating in those institutions are practicing that abuse. Maybe they are, but I also prefer to have a more generous view of human nature, as naive as that may be.

It very much matters where the abuse is happening. In an Urban setting where the child is attending public school, abuse is discovered fairly quickly and doesn't have the opportunity to become systematic. In a Rural/Isolated setting if there is a community leader that subscribes to a "religious" view, the entire community may be abusive.

In this, the preacher was asked by the woman if she could leave an abusive husband - however he goes on from that to cover child discipline, spousal discipline and the "rights" of the husband. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriage/divorce_not_ok.htm

A woman writes her view http://www.todayschristianwoman.com/articles/2009/january/myabusivechristianmarriage.html

And of course Nate Phelps (son of the Westboro preacher) has a website on the subject http://natephelps.com/bio

The US government has studied the problem http://www.reducingtherisk.com/arti...abuseandneglectnationalscopeoftheproblem.html https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/161406.pdf and says that as many as 1 in 4 children are physically abused.

The media always spends their time on the sexual abuse aspect of the problem. However sexual abuse isn't any larger in "religious communities" than it is in our general society. About 8% of children will be sexually abused before they become adult.

 

[Flanders]

Ever notice that Evil and Live are a palindrome

"Live" and "Evil" are not a palindrome.

However, the phrase "live evil" IS a palindrome. I 1st noticed this when Black Sabbath release an album of this name in the early '80s

Should this post be moved to "1st World Problems"? Or to "Grammar Police"? I just can't decide...

 

[Real Sonny Burnett]

Church's Chicken is evil too.

 

[sdw]

My partner my working partner for the next couple of months is a extremely religious guy.
Born again something or other, not sure not really paying attention.

It is amazing how messed up he is very strict views on everything, most of them wrong all of them wrong,
Its amazing how he doesn't even understand his own faith.

Any way he was talking about sex today pretty much everyone is going to burn in hell who isn't married and there is a special place for all gays and sodomites.

Just so you know were all going to burn in hell.

God I need a drink after dealing with him,

and forgive me ladies, please forgive me,
but I need a whore, I know that word bugs some of you,

But honestly I am tired of all this politically correct bullshit crap and religious crap,,

But I am getting drunk and I phoned my sp, and made an appointment to hell with it.

Let me burn,

lol, You'd be feeling worse if you had a churchie in your family. You can't get away from them.