Helping an SP out for free: could you see yourself doing it?

Would you help out an SP for free?

  • 1. Helping an SP out? Are you kidding—I'm only interested in one thing.

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • 2. I'm by nature a good samaritan and always willing offer generous help.

    Votes: 15 38.5%
  • 3. I might help an SP out if there's not too much time commitment involved.

    Votes: 16 41.0%
  • 4. I might help an SP out in exchange for freebies.

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • 5. I'd consider helping an SP out only if I reaped some financial gain.

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • 6. I think prostitution should be abolished and SPs wiped off the face of the earth.

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    39

tantalizeme

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Oct 5, 2007
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The thread about "To Pimp Or Not To Pimp" got me thinking about a situation of my own. The circumstances arose in a micro setting—though some of my thoughts may apply in an Indy context as well.
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So you're a strong believer in the importance of SP work for human happiness and social peace. And let's say, you're a regular at a micro and on friendly terms with the mamasan—who has been, and sometimes still is, one of your ATF SPs.

She's in over her head operating her own micro and would appreciate your help. You see a crying need for things like more consistent, effective and truthful advertising. Whipping together a decent ad—and posting it on various English-language sites—is next to impossible for her, but would be a piece of cake for you.

You feel a strong impulse to help her, not because you want economic benefits in return, but simply because you admire and respect this spunky lady, with her warm personality and lots of mature charm.

You've reason to think, feelings of respect and liking are mutual. You'd like to help her succeed. BUT—

1. You've already given her some advice—which she took only rarely and at best inconsistently.

2. The problem starts with her choice of girls, who're often personal friends of hers. You've encouraged several pooning buddies to see them, but they rarely left happy.

3. Communication with this lady is difficult. It's not as if she's fluent enough in English (or you in Chinese) to hold a decent conversation. Her attitude of playing fast and loose with the truth drives you crazy. There's certainly no basis for romance.

4. You fear that if you start doing her favors, like writing her ads, she'll inevitably feel a sense of indebtedness that could easily turn to resentment.

5. Other necessary tasks—like answering the phone or e-mails in English, or driving a girl to an outcall and providing security—would immediately become unrealistically time-consuming.

6. You think she probably could get most of the help she really needs from the Chinese underground gangster network that supplies most micros around town with girls.

So...after weighing the pros and cons of offering this mamasan your free help, you decide against it. Better just to support this lady by seeing her girls, paying full donation, and perhaps writing reviews that scrupulously stay within the bounds of truth.
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Anyone been in a similar situation?
 
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good2bbad

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Mar 8, 2006
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Was involved and helped out a sp although not to that extent. I helped her out with her ads, sponsored a few of her "friends" coming from HK and helped with her incall locations. I did not ask, nor receive any special deals for this service and continued to pay full price when I saw her in a business situation.
Grocery shopping, trips to the Temple in Richmond and other trips were a fairly regular occurrence.
She ended up getting married and moving back to HK. Nice lady and I don't regret helping her out.
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juniper

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Apr 11, 2006
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Sounds like a one-way proposition and "friendship" to me. Probably made you feel good, though, due to a high need on your part to be needed and to create an attachment.

QUOTE=good2bbad;1435162]Was involved and helped out a sp although not to that extent. I helped her out with her ads, sponsored a few of her "friends" coming from HK and helped with her incall locations. I did not ask, nor receive any special deals for this service and continued to pay full price when I saw her in a business situation.
Grocery shopping, trips to the Temple in Richmond and other trips were a fairly regular occurrence.
She ended up getting married and moving back to HK. Nice lady and I don't regret helping her out.
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hiddencloud

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If there is something I can do for a person I will .. it doesn't have to be a SP .. if a person needs anything where I know I can help I will.
Yep, I'm the same way. I'll give money or offer help to friends and family without caring about getting it back. I don't worry about being taken advantage of because I'm not a dummy and can tell when someone is trying.
 

johnsmit

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Yes i have helped out a number of girls that i meet as escorts.. .. when i had the time and money.. and even when i dont have the money .. i still dont hesitate to offer when help is needed

For me it just normal. most of the time have made friends with them ..and saw them as a client and sociallyy
Today i still have a few as freinds .but dont see them sexually..but still there to help if i can
Personally . why should it matter what they do for a job and business.. . but of course . i think we help out
because of the sexual conection.. and we are attracted to them .. .Just like we would help out any other woman in any other line of work .. that we mieght be attracted to..

Of couse it is my nature to offer help . when i see .. or know it is need.. and if i can do something
I will
 

vancity_cowboy

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Jan 27, 2008
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6. You think she probably could get most of the help she really needs from the Chinese underground gangster network that supplies most micros around town with girls.
i suspect this is the reason your previous suggestions to her appear to have fallen on deaf ears

i further would suggest that it is a very good reason to resist getting involved. she isn't getting the help from them that she really needs, but their hand will trump yours at every occasion, leaving a taste of dissappointment in your mouth
 

AA_Train

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Jul 19, 2007
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The most I have ever done for an SP is drive them to the mechanics to pick up their car after a session. It was literally 2 minutes out of my way and her and I had an established relationship. Beyond that, I've referred them to some websites that might help them find the information they needed for one thing or another.

In the sitiation described by the OP, the most one should do is general advice and nothing more. If they are asking more than that, some kind of compensation, be it in cash or trade, should be given to you. I don't mind working but I don't work for free.
 

PlayfulAlex

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I think it would depend on the actual relationship with the individual.

If you're a paying client, then doing something that will help that business owner isn't really a favour. You're really just giving them free help. Now, if they compensated you in some way, that would be more fair.

If you're a friend, and you happen to have a skill that another friend needs, say improving their website, and you help them over dinner and drinks at their place, that's what friendships are for. Most friends do things for each other...
 

BORKO

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Jun 3, 2013
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Sounds like a one-way proposition and "friendship" to me. Probably made you feel good, though, due to a high need on your part to be needed and to create an attachment.
The most I have ever done for an SP is drive them to the mechanics to pick up their car after a session. It was literally 2 minutes out of my way and her and I had an established relationship. Beyond that, I've referred them to some websites that might help them find the information they needed for one thing or another.

In the sitiation described by the OP, the most one should do is general advice and nothing more. If they are asking more than that, some kind of compensation, be it in cash or trade, should be given to you. I don't mind working but I don't work for free.
I think it would depend on the actual relationship with the individual.

If you're a paying client, then doing something that will help that business owner isn't really a favour. You're really just giving them free help. Now, if they compensated you in some way, that would be more fair.

If you're a friend, and you happen to have a skill that another friend needs, say improving their website, and you help them over dinner and drinks at their place, that's what friendships are for. Most friends do things for each other...
I think this is the most pragmatic and advisable approach. I don't think escorting that starts off as a paid business relationship should ever proceed beyond that where you're doing free stuff for her, sounds like a slippery slope where you end up helping her for free and she ends of taking you for granted, even unconsciously and treats you worse than her other clients or real friends.

I don't think I'd ever really ask my real friends to do stuff for free, I think that'd be rude.
 

BORKO

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Jun 3, 2013
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Well .. I hope you're wrong ... I have more faith in people I guess ..
I used to have faith in people, but they kept proving me wrong. People have an uncanny ability to rationalize and make excuses for shitty behaviour to other people.
 

Cami Parker

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Always so succinct! :clap2: AGREED!





I think it would depend on the actual relationship with the individual.

If you're a paying client, then doing something that will help that business owner isn't really a favour. You're really just giving them free help. Now, if they compensated you in some way, that would be more fair.

If you're a friend, and you happen to have a skill that another friend needs, say improving their website, and you help them over dinner and drinks at their place, that's what friendships are for. Most friends do things for each other...
 

addicted2lov

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Jul 12, 2005
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Not too far
This thread has strange smell though.... Why not replace SP with Americans or Jewish or Blacks or whatever in your question? You are drawing the line almost like saying we - the humans, they - the SP's. What a fucked up question you ask.
The SP's are humans too, you know?
 

vancity_cowboy

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i tried to help out an escort with a simple household task once. it turned out she didn't want help at all - she wanted someone to do it for her!

i suggested that perhaps one of her regulars might be better suited to the task
 

BORKO

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Jun 3, 2013
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This thread has strange smell though.... Why not replace SP with Americans or Jewish or Blacks or whatever in your question? You are drawing the line almost like saying we - the humans, they - the SP's. What a fucked up question you ask.
The SP's are humans too, you know?
Yeah... but you're not paying those Americans, Jewish, Black or whatever people to have sex with you are you? And SP isn't a race, it's an occupation.

It's not the question of SPs, it's the question of, hey if you're paying someone for a service, should you do a service for that someone for free? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to replace SP with the word lawyer, mechanic, accountant, contractor or dentist?

So...

Hey, should you help out your mechanic for free? Or should you expect something in return?
 
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