Don't thank me, I don't care about spelling lol
I just thought it was amusing the spelling police guy got the spelling wrong so I pointed it out.
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I just thought it was amusing the spelling police guy got the spelling wrong so I pointed it out.
I'll admit I basically just scanned through the posts in this thread (there are 245 posts already!), but I think part of the reason people are arguing so much is that we are talking about two different things.
1. Exploited women and children who are working against their will or to pay off a "debt" they were tricked into taking.
2. Women who have freely made the choice to enter this profession just like a woman in developed nations.
It's a little hard to have this debate when the two groups are blended (yes I realize sometimes it's a fine line)
1. Exploited women and children who are working against their will or to pay off a "debt" they were tricked into taking.
2. Women who have freely made the choice to enter this profession just like a woman in developed nations.
It's a little hard to have this debate when the two groups are blended (yes I realize sometimes it's a fine line)
Yeah I don't think your auto correct would have changed in the past 10 minutes.
I Googled "Canadian Counsellor" and it brought me to the Canadian Counselling and Psychotherapy Association. I assume this is the national governing body and they would know the correct spelling.
BTW I think it's funny we are having this side conversation about something that doesn't matter at all, right in the middle of such a serious discussion lol
+1! I don't see a huge difference either. Whether it's right or wrong is a separate argument. But if you think one form of the exploitation is "evil" and "morally without conscience", then you have some 'splainin' to educate me as to why the other form is OK. I mean, "of course I buy cheap shit at WalMart! Who doesn't?". Fucking Hypocrites!
It is quite deliberate. The naysayers are dragging number 1 into number 2 so they can bolster their straw man argument.
Yet another example of an analogy that is way off. Please don't compare prostitutes working under their own free will to slaves.
Serial killers do not justify their actions as good and useful. They mostly kill for selfish reasons. Yes occasionally you will get a crazy person making those claims but I assume you are not talking about the insane, delusional ones.
And yes I agree, arguing with Tant is difficult because he is very intelligent.
Laugh your ass off:
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What's the topic of this thread again?
Wow it's hard to argue with someone who thinks watching YouTube and reading the news makes you educated. But I guess I'll try...
We're talking apples and oranges. You're talking about girls working against their will, I'm talking about women who make the choice to work as a prostitute to make more money.
Ok so you saw a "few videos on YouTube" and without exception every girl was crying and they were being forced to work as a prostitute? Can you think of a reason why those types of videos are on YouTube? I mean, if there were such thing as a smart woman who chose to work as a prostitute and was happy with her decision, surely YouTube would show those videos too right? WRONG. I really don't have time to explain this concept to you but trust me you look foolish for thinking these few videos on YouTube is evidence to support your claim. But trust me, there are plenty of women who are not working as prostitutes against their will (yes even though they were not shown in the few videos you clicked on!).
I don't know much about BTK but I thought he was a sadistic sexual killer? Preyed on some random women and also some he knew personally. Anyways I actually have a Criminology minor, I even took an entire course on serial killers so I think I know a little bit about serial killers and their motives. Most do it for selfish reasons. I think you are the one that should go learn a little before you claim something and then try to insult someone else :nod:
Tant must be fucking brilliant if he can really twist the facts and discredit all the people piling shit on him lol.
Perhaps maybe he has a point? No he has to be wrong, any post where he appears to be right is him just twisting the facts, riiiight lol
Now I'm an expert, too!
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Anita, we're talking about different people here. You are talking about girls that believe they have no options. They believe they are bound by a contract, or they really are bound by violence.
If you have Netflix, watch the movie Holly as an example of this. The acting by those kids is superb.
But we are talking about different people to the stories you see on youtube. And just like this thread here, those movies are made by people with strongly held views who want to make a point.
These girls are fortune seekers. They come from poor families in the country to the bright lights of the city to make tons of money and be heros when they go home.
For the real non contrived negatives: Some of them can't handle the constant partying, and become alcoholics, or addicted to yabba (a local amphetamine smuggled in from Burma and Vietnam). Some have bad dates and become psychologically scarred. Some go home, but the allure of the neon and money pulls them back again and again until they can't get married, and have no marketable skills. So they do massage for $2 per hour, or sell from stalls in the street.
Those are the real negatives, but they exist for SP's everywhere. And they don't attract the CNN viewers like headlines about sex slaves.
Yes these girls often feel a strong obligation to help out poverty stricken families. They hear about the money from friends, tell their family that they are waitresses in Bangkok, then head to Pattaya to work in the bars. They do the trip often without the knowledge of their families, because they feel it is necessary. Soft on the outside, tough as nails inside. We do not see that kind of courage here; it is born in hardship.
Some of them enjoy it, some of them last two days and they leave, some think it is a crappy job but it pays the bills. And so many stay. And yell 'han sum man' to tourists. And party with their friends. And either buy their family a house, or blow it on yabba.
Nothing is as black or white as either camp is promoting. But they are free. As free as us in our crappy jobs with kids and mortgages.
I noticed the lake in Minoru park has please don't feed the ducks signs. They are obviously trying to control the population. But if I was a duck, I don't think I would support the policy.
If you have Netflix, watch the movie Holly as an example of this. The acting by those kids is superb.
But we are talking about different people to the stories you see on youtube. And just like this thread here, those movies are made by people with strongly held views who want to make a point.
These girls are fortune seekers. They come from poor families in the country to the bright lights of the city to make tons of money and be heros when they go home.
For the real non contrived negatives: Some of them can't handle the constant partying, and become alcoholics, or addicted to yabba (a local amphetamine smuggled in from Burma and Vietnam). Some have bad dates and become psychologically scarred. Some go home, but the allure of the neon and money pulls them back again and again until they can't get married, and have no marketable skills. So they do massage for $2 per hour, or sell from stalls in the street.
Those are the real negatives, but they exist for SP's everywhere. And they don't attract the CNN viewers like headlines about sex slaves.
Yes these girls often feel a strong obligation to help out poverty stricken families. They hear about the money from friends, tell their family that they are waitresses in Bangkok, then head to Pattaya to work in the bars. They do the trip often without the knowledge of their families, because they feel it is necessary. Soft on the outside, tough as nails inside. We do not see that kind of courage here; it is born in hardship.
Some of them enjoy it, some of them last two days and they leave, some think it is a crappy job but it pays the bills. And so many stay. And yell 'han sum man' to tourists. And party with their friends. And either buy their family a house, or blow it on yabba.
Nothing is as black or white as either camp is promoting. But they are free. As free as us in our crappy jobs with kids and mortgages.
I noticed the lake in Minoru park has please don't feed the ducks signs. They are obviously trying to control the population. But if I was a duck, I don't think I would support the policy.
1] I`ll guess you think the Westerner in Thailand using the services of the poorly paid Taxi Driver, Waiter, Tailor, & Shoe salesman is not exploitative, even if he is paying them 10 times less than the equivalent in Canada. But when it comes to the Westerner in Thailand using the services of the prostitute, who is in a high paying profession, for some reason it suddenly becomes exploitation. Which begs the question, why?
2] I’ll guess the distinction has something to do with your concept of parity, opportunity and the country you’re born, raised & live in. So, I take it, a billionare Thai man who hires a Thai SP in Siam is not exploiting the SP, but the poverty stricken Mcdonald’s employed Westerner there who uses the services of the same SP is exploiting her, in your opinion, if they both pay her typical Thai prices for Thai prostitutes.
3] So IYO you could have partaken of prostitutes while in Thailand, as long as you paid them by Canadian standards, without exploiting them. Exploitation is related to the wage paid. So why wouldn’t using other Thailand service providers, who are not prostitutes, at 10 times less than their rate in Canada also be exploitation IYV?
In light of your China comments, would you approve of Westerners hobbying in Changping, China, where SP prices are similar to Bangkok:
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