Interested in being a "travelling hobbyist"? Let me encourage you!
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My vision of Heaven is much much different than yours...It helped the chickens. When I go to heaven, there will be a few happy chickens greeting me
Being in the counselling field, I think I understand where Pillow is coming from.
Her problem is actually quite common for mature SPs, but perhaps especially acute in her case because she's intelligent.
The best SPs function largely at the level of coquettishness and sexual emotion, without thinking too much. They can totally identify with their job, without feeling superior to the men they're supposed to please.
But Pillow is smart. In a nutshell, I think her predicament is that she's probably too smart to be a good SP but too lazy, and set in her habits, to do anything more creative for a living. Add to that the fact that she's probably agewise more than a little over the hill, in most pooner's eyes (though certainly not in mine).
Now that her clientele is reduced to a trickle—and she has oodles of time on her hands—she's predictably becoming more and more bitter and frustrated. With that comes the need to displace frustrations by lashing out at people, such as guys on this Board.
Given that we're needy enough to pay for sex—and often naive enough to think the occasional SP really likes being with us—we're sitting ducks for her ridicule.
I imagine, the situation of an aging, angry, misandrist SP is not the most pleasant place to be in life. But I generally find Pillow's points on this Board both well-articulated and entertainingly self-righteous.
In fact, she and I have quite a bit in common. Apart from the fact that we're both sex-positive individuals, I often find myself in basic sympathy with her politics and share her commitment to moral responsibility.
The only real difference is, I try to base my moral decisions on reason—while she usually runs with her emotions.
Her mind is pretty closed—as evidenced, for example, by her willingness to starve Asian bar girls off the face of the earth to save them from being "exploited."
But even so, I quite enjoy her contributions.
Quoted for posterity only. I do enjoy reading Tant's well documented reviews although we do not seek out the same type of SP's; they are an enjoyable read over my morning coffee.
This post toward a deserving recipient in the most polite and sympathetic terms does give me faith that we can dish it out and be on the receiving end in an eloquent manner.
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Read each of my words in the sentence you quoted from me and think about the content. I think you may find that we too (Pooner's) are frequently on the receiving end from Ms PT's written barbs and Mr Tant has responded in kind.I just learned something
I thought it was uncivilized and boorish. But don't mind me LOL
It's a zero sum game with each delivering and receiving in an equal fashion.
I didn't remind you, merely corrected you.
The personal invective, slurs, denigrations, etc. do nothing to further the argument of anyone writing them. It is the poorest form of debate.
Cleverness in putting someone down is no substitute for intelligence. Since folks here on this board have demonstrated they are capable of displaying the latter, I encourage them to avoid the former.
Cleverness in putting someone down is no substitute for intelligence. Since folks here on this board have demonstrated they are capable of displaying the latter, I encourage them to avoid the former.
Your valiant effort at bringing some civility to this thread will likely be in vain...I'm just sayin'...
Here is my version, with capitalization to emphasize the changes:
It is one thing to FINANCIALLY HELP poor ADULT SP’S, but quite another to be proud of it.
I don’t knowingly associate with “exploited or abused girls” when I practice sex tourism. It has nothing to do with me & it occurs in Canada too.Anita’s Massage said:
But you buy clothes which support third world sweatshops.
As for what’s in the background with SP’s, even in Canada, who can say who has problems with things like pimps, mafia, H.A., drug abuse or an abusive childhood. Clients are generally not privy to this info.
Re the sweatshop socks you buy, in a 5 minute online search of “socks made in Canada” I found sites that spoke of them made in Canada, made in the USA, “sweatshop free” organic socks and other clothes.
For various reasons, I can’t see Africa being one of the more popular tourist or sex tourist destinations.
Money can indeed do a lot of “good” when people could not otherwise pay for crucial medicines, surgeries & such. Anti sex tourists would deny them this.
Do you really believe there is financial “parity for those who live in this country” of Canada?jesuschrist said:
In opposing travelling hobbyism to poor nations you’ld deny SP’s the means to take care of their own health & their babies welfare.
If, as you claim, the Thai government has “come to rely on the sex industry for tourism dollars”, how much worse would the problem of poverty be in the country without it the past 50 years? Thailand would be without billions of dollars given to the SP business, which is then pumped back into the Thai economy.jesuschrist said:
As for Thai boys choosing to be ladyboys, the operation is illegal until they are adults. They must also live as a female for two years first & see a psychiatrist.
In the more enlightened future in Canada I can see escorting possibly being taught in high school or university as a legitimate career choice. Too bad it isn’t already.
What “equal choices” would Hong Kong ladies have access to that Bangkok females don’t? Surely you’re not suggesting that Canadian or Hong Kong SP’s could have just as easily chosen other jobs that pay them equally well as sex work.jesuschrist said:
FYI, Hong Kong is actually where Tant goes & often visits brothel ladies from Thailand at prices similar to what you’ld find in Bangkok or Pattaya. Hong Kong is in the country of China, certainly not a country where there is financial parity with Canada.
BTW, Hong Kong seems generally more expensive to poon in than Bangkok, both as regards SP’s, hotels & other expenses. It is just a short hop on the plane to keep going from HKG to BKK.
“Before the Asian financial crisis in 1998, street prostitutes would offer a "set course" of services; after that, the set price dropped by half.[36]…CNN (Asia) reported in 2009 that social workers had found "compensated dating" was growing among Hong Kong teenage girls… CNN reported that students, often teenagers, sell sex so they can buy consumer goods such as cell phones and clothes.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Hong_Kong
Pillowtalk said:
The vast majority of foreign hobbyists in Thailand see SP’s in Bangkok & Pattaya. There are 4 main types of SP’s:
Freelancers (including streetwalkers, & those in places like night clubs, coffee shops, restaurants, pool halls, etc) who generally keep 100% of the donation.
Gogo girls, who usually get paid directly by the customer 2000 baht plus tip for what is called a “short time” (ST) session. They keep 100% of that. They also may get a salary plus a percentage of the barfine (around 600 baht) & “lady drinks”.
Bargirls, who are much the same as gogo girls, though the ST amount is probably lower.
MPs, massage parlours, vary in their styles of service & arrangements with the workers.
http://www.phuket-info.com/forums/nightlife/42937-how-much-do-gogo-girls-earn-per-month.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unfzfe8f9NI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tCrBF71JCU
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What's amusing tho is all I do is repeat his own words back at him, with an opinion. He makes stuff up about me out of thin air because the truth would not comply with his continued attacks against western women, of all ages really. He always has something negative to say about the non-asian, when he reviews them. In the case of Ms.Sarah, he lets everyone know that she was clearly not 'doing it' for him, as he was unable to finish normally without all his props, and more likely because she talked. Also, he was quick to point out that she was a gossip, about other sps, a comment that was unnecessary and probably only came up by his asking and her short reply before changing the subject?
Make no mistake, if he is reviewing anyone higher rate or not asian, he will find something to pick at. Even in a good review, he is sure to remind you that he goes in with low expectations in the case of an sp who is well reviewed and younger, because he assumes she is a princess, not a professional.
I have never met tant, yet he claims to be able to describe me, as though I am the problem here. Ten other people come on here to complain about him and point out flaws in his statements, but he thinks that calling me names is somehow proof that he is right.
Guess what, the moderators already have enough information about me we don't need false accusations by the peanut gallery.. I am not 'old', by his standards, since his preference is the 30ish year olds, I've never worked here, nor am working now. Like most women, I don't hate men. Isn't that is usually the equivalent to the 'nazi' comment on an escort review forum anyway, discredit any female poster by calling them a man hater? Isn't that the first sign the guy has lost the argument and is now grasping at straws.
Tant doesn't like to face his own insecurities about women, fair enough, but please don't make us sit through claims of nobility and moral fibre by choosing to see a bar girl or micro sp when he could easily see any independent sp who chooses their path. Don't make this about 'jealousy' of local sps, or older sps, or whatever bs you have to feed yourself to make yourself swallow this.
And yes, Anita, I agree, the last person I would expect to be a decent counseller is someone who calls any sp 'piggy'.
lenny, when you quote from an actual Thai escort, about what happens behind the scenes, instead of quoting patrons of the gogo bars, and what they think they know, that would be more useful.
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Ummmm.... how , exactly, does Tant make anyone "sit through" anything by simply posting on a public forum? Are we not free to avoid his delusional postings by simply clicking on a different thread? Or is he able to control our actions remotely?
Wow. Once mastered, this internet thingy is more powerful than I ever imagined!
There's been something bugging me about this thread, I couldn't quite put a finger on it until now. The title of this thread is "Interested in being a "travelling hobbyist"? Let me encourage you!". Then we have a poll: "What's your attitude toward pooning where it's cheaper?". All the answers contain the words "developing countries". I think this is very telling towards the OP's frame of mind.
The next few remarks by the OP give you a few more glimpses into his beautiful/disgusting mind, depending on which side of the sand you stand on:
"What makes overseas pooning worthwhile for me in any case isn't only the incredible selection of exotic babes, but the erotic kick of knowing that I'm getting for next to nothing what in Vancouver is a $200 value."
"Personally, I'm utterly confident that traveling overseas on sex trips is as morally inspiring as it can be erotically satisfying. Becoming a travelling hobbyist is the right thing to do—as long as you cavort with adult women and treat them with the same respect all SPs deserve."
"It's indeed one of life's most amazing experiences, almost like a miracle, when a fat old ugly guy—despised by Western women like Anita—discovers his surprisingly high sexual market value in a developing country and is treated like a king by women there."
"But the miracle of developing countries is precisely that almost all Western men with a bit of spare cash immediately possess superior sexual market value in the eyes of local women. These women are amazingly forgiving of a man's physical imperfections and often eager not just to have sex with him, but to become his GF—hoping no doubt he'll find it in his heart to rescue them from the insecurity, squalor and chaos in which they live.
If even aging fat Western slobs are gratefully welcomed, a reasonably well-preserved gent will often find himself almost mobbed by women in Thailand or the Philippines (and, to a lesser extent, China)."
Anyone else didn't find any of that "morally inspiring"?
The next few remarks by the OP give you a few more glimpses into his beautiful/disgusting mind, depending on which side of the sand you stand on:
"What makes overseas pooning worthwhile for me in any case isn't only the incredible selection of exotic babes, but the erotic kick of knowing that I'm getting for next to nothing what in Vancouver is a $200 value."
"Personally, I'm utterly confident that traveling overseas on sex trips is as morally inspiring as it can be erotically satisfying. Becoming a travelling hobbyist is the right thing to do—as long as you cavort with adult women and treat them with the same respect all SPs deserve."
"It's indeed one of life's most amazing experiences, almost like a miracle, when a fat old ugly guy—despised by Western women like Anita—discovers his surprisingly high sexual market value in a developing country and is treated like a king by women there."
"But the miracle of developing countries is precisely that almost all Western men with a bit of spare cash immediately possess superior sexual market value in the eyes of local women. These women are amazingly forgiving of a man's physical imperfections and often eager not just to have sex with him, but to become his GF—hoping no doubt he'll find it in his heart to rescue them from the insecurity, squalor and chaos in which they live.
If even aging fat Western slobs are gratefully welcomed, a reasonably well-preserved gent will often find himself almost mobbed by women in Thailand or the Philippines (and, to a lesser extent, China)."
Anyone else didn't find any of that "morally inspiring"?
Pooning, regardless of whether it is in Canada or Cambodia, isn't exactly morally inspiring.
As for the OP's "exploits"...I read a bit of his commentary on his trips abroad and he still seems to seek women that far exceed the ideal age for many pooners. I find those who seek the barely legal type right here in North America more reprehensible than those who travel abroad and end up with a 35 year old Asian at a bargain price.
As for the OP's "exploits"...I read a bit of his commentary on his trips abroad and he still seems to seek women that far exceed the ideal age for many pooners. I find those who seek the barely legal type right here in North America more reprehensible than those who travel abroad and end up with a 35 year old Asian at a bargain price.
Let's go over what Tant says, and take out all the sugary manipulative crap he thinks we can't see, and get to the real meaning of his words:
- meaning sex is about power over someone else, even if it is economic power. In Vancouver, the girl won't let you fuck her ass for anything less than $200. But in Thailand, $50. Yessssir that makes him horny.
- there are advertisements on TV by UNESCO and other such organizations where they show images of hungry children, and the announcer says, "A few dollars makes all the difference to these children, just 5 dollars can buy them a blanket and a month's supply of bottled water". In the same spirit our shining white knight - Tantalizeme - encourages us to rescue these women he respects so much by throwing them a few dollars (in return for a good ass fucking, of course), because he knows his 20 dollars would buy her whole family a week's worth of groceries.
- it's a miracle of economics, not sexual attraction. No, it's not because you come from North America that they open their pussies. No, it's not that you look like the distant but fat and ugly 3rd cousin of Brad Pitt that they spread their legs. No, it's not that your foreskin is white that they want to suck your dick. It's because putting up with you for 15 minutes would save them from having to work in a sweat shop for 2 days, and they are saving for a better life for their kids than the rest because mommy is willing to allow herself to be exploited by people she can't even speak to or understand.
I could go on. This is just so disgusting I don't have the heart to stomach it any longer. In Asia, humility is bred in so deep into the people that the women are naturally servile and unfortunately get exploited easily by those who have no respect for them or their culture, people like Tant.
I've read a lot, probably too many of your threads Lenny.
It seems to me you have no real idea about what you're talking about, whether its the sex trade in Asia or HIV. You probably spend a lot of time doing "research" on the internet, something you seem to be fascinated with, and think that you are well informed by it - because nothing of what you say you know is actually things you can give any personal details about actually knowing - instead you theorize and repeat what you find online. Unfortunately, you are such a poor researcher that all you do is echo your own personal bias instead of getting at the real truth. And worse, your own personal bias is based on nothing but whim and self-profit instead of real experience.
We think we're coming to end of a discussion line in this thread.
Name callers or insulters - beware. You may find yourselves removed from Perb.
Name callers or insulters - beware. You may find yourselves removed from Perb.
I'd compare the moral inspiration of pooning to eating a delicious chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream.
Although it doesn't hurt to see one's 3rd world "donations" resulting in hospital care for an SP's mother who may have otherwise died.
"AC/DC - Dirty deeds done dirt cheap"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_t5GPbp5IY&feature=related
Cripes I have read enough crapulence on this thread to last me a lifetime...The OP posted it and for the most part his poll has gotten positive votes and on the other end of the spectrum we have guys that some how
choose to take some kind of fucked up stance of "moral fibre"....yet a vast percentage of these guys who
take up this stance of "moral fibre" are married and they cheat on their wives by seeing SP's for reasons
ranging from "she wont give me a BJ" to " I only get it once a month"....it is totally fucking amazing and
also totally fucked up to hear statements about lacking "moral fibre" from guys that have violated their
god-damned wedding vows but who also lack the balls to acutally have an affair with a women(and in most cases they could not manage to do that).And in the middle are the western SP's such as Pillowtalk & company
who not only bad mouth and attack not only the local micro's that are up and running in cities such as
Vancouver/Calgary/Toronto/Montreal as they cannot deal with the competition due to age/looks as well
as incredible service they they feel above providing but they even have to lob cheap shots and spread negative
propaganda about sex workers in Thailand and other countries because they have an attitude of entitlement to
the money in Western mens wallets.
Straight up if YOU have NEVER pooned in Thailand and have no direct experience you dont have an opinion
and you opinion is worth less if you consider yourself "internet smart"
As for the SP's like Pillowtalk and her ilk....try stepping up your game and upping your service levels so
as to bring the Micro's and nice options like Thailand up to par......oh but I forgot...that type of service
is beneath you:doh:
SR
choose to take some kind of fucked up stance of "moral fibre"....yet a vast percentage of these guys who
take up this stance of "moral fibre" are married and they cheat on their wives by seeing SP's for reasons
ranging from "she wont give me a BJ" to " I only get it once a month"....it is totally fucking amazing and
also totally fucked up to hear statements about lacking "moral fibre" from guys that have violated their
god-damned wedding vows but who also lack the balls to acutally have an affair with a women(and in most cases they could not manage to do that).And in the middle are the western SP's such as Pillowtalk & company
who not only bad mouth and attack not only the local micro's that are up and running in cities such as
Vancouver/Calgary/Toronto/Montreal as they cannot deal with the competition due to age/looks as well
as incredible service they they feel above providing but they even have to lob cheap shots and spread negative
propaganda about sex workers in Thailand and other countries because they have an attitude of entitlement to
the money in Western mens wallets.
Straight up if YOU have NEVER pooned in Thailand and have no direct experience you dont have an opinion
and you opinion is worth less if you consider yourself "internet smart"
As for the SP's like Pillowtalk and her ilk....try stepping up your game and upping your service levels so
as to bring the Micro's and nice options like Thailand up to par......oh but I forgot...that type of service
is beneath you:doh:
SR
This thread has really taken off...let me close with an ancedote
Today I was walking West along Broadway near Cambie when, suddenly, I spot this ravishing, willowy Asian beauty walking toward me.
As we get close, she glances at me. Our eyes momentarily lock. I bestow my most charming, most seductive smile upon her.
I certainly don't intend to accost her. But wouldn't it be nice if she smiled back—a bit of a tonic to send me on my way?
She just walks past, her face indifferent to me. Not even a hint of a smile.
Ah well, I'm thinking, she's full of herself. I don't exist for her.
Understandable enough...her sexual market value, in a place like Vancouver, is just astronomical.
But soon I'll be in places where a guy like me is still valued by beauties like her—even if it takes a modest financial incentive.
Today I was walking West along Broadway near Cambie when, suddenly, I spot this ravishing, willowy Asian beauty walking toward me.
As we get close, she glances at me. Our eyes momentarily lock. I bestow my most charming, most seductive smile upon her.
I certainly don't intend to accost her. But wouldn't it be nice if she smiled back—a bit of a tonic to send me on my way?
She just walks past, her face indifferent to me. Not even a hint of a smile.
Ah well, I'm thinking, she's full of herself. I don't exist for her.
Understandable enough...her sexual market value, in a place like Vancouver, is just astronomical.
But soon I'll be in places where a guy like me is still valued by beauties like her—even if it takes a modest financial incentive.
Maybe you should have whipped out that vibrating butt plug or whatever treat you have in your pooning bag that makes the ladies go crazy. :nod:Today I was walking West along Broadway near Cambie when, suddenly, I spot this ravishing, willowy Asian beauty walking toward me.
As we get close, she glances at me. Our eyes momentarily lock. I bestow my most charming, most seductive smile upon her.
I certainly don't intend to accost her. But wouldn't it be nice if she smiled back—a bit of a tonic to send me on my way?
She just walks past, her face indifferent to me. Not even a hint of a smile.
Ah well, I'm thinking, she's full of herself. I don't exist for her.
Understandable enough...her sexual market value, in a place like Vancouver, is just astronomical.
But soon I'll be in places where a guy like me is still valued by beauties like her—even if it takes a modest financial incentive.
