Interested in being a "travelling hobbyist"? Let me encourage you!

[lenny]

This is commonly reported. (surprising that lenny hasn't seen it since he too is one of those 'old' guys lol) These things are described by westerners, outsiders, like yourself, and also by local ex-pats and local independent escorts.

In sex venues in Bangkok's lower sukhumvit i've never seen a single underage worker, not even amongst non sex workers, like waitresses. I've been to many of the most famous places like Annies MP, Thermae coffee shop, Beergarden bar/restaurant, Rainbow 4 gogo in NEP, Soi Cowboy, as well as lessser known SP businesses around there.

If a guy wants to avoid seeing under 18 year old prostitutes, maybe stick to those places, although i'm sure that a tourist venturing elsewhere is extremely unlikely to encounter anything like what emmanuelle described, especially a place with such girls who have sex with customers. He might suspect or see the occasional mid teenage worker or two in some of the businesses in NEP or Soi Cowboy, as has been claimed in some forum reports, but "chock full" of them? Certainly not.

I'd think that if a place poster emmanuelle described really existed where sex was also commonly occuring between the customers & such allegedly obviously underage illegal working girls, it probably wouldn't be long before someone informed the authorities, police, NGOs, news reporters, etc. Is that what emmanuele did?

Chock full of underage girls? Every single one of them with old & 300+ lb guys? C'mon ; Where are these "commonly reported" stories you speak of?

Travellers to Bangkok don't have to worry about being bombarded with illegal young girls constantly in their face saying "go with you". Odds are remote you'll even see one. Like i said, one time in 30 months & even that may have been a scam w/o ever having the intention of giving up sex.

All I am saying is there is an easy way to have the mooncake and eat it to: seek out and visit independent escorts who are not being forced to work, or forced to have a quota, or have to work under unpleasant and unsanitary conditions.

I think you might have difficulty even listing the websites of a handful of these in Bangkok.

Although, depending on the definition of your terms, what you decribe could include most streetwalkers, and many gogo, MP, and bargirls in Bangkok. Remove the quota criterion (obviously no business wants to be forced to pay workers who don't bring them any return), which is like a commission sales job, so has no real negative stigma, and your statement could apply to almost every sex worker in Thailand catering to foreigners.

You'll still pay less than here, which seems to be the main thing (altho no one seems to want to admit just getting and staying in another country is going to cost up to $2000 for a week lol, not including paid date time.)

You'll notice in the OP's original post in this thread, paying less for sex is not the main reason he travels to Asia, since sex itself isn't even the main reason he goes there. As stated, it's just the cherry on the top.

Though if one travels to developing countries and stays there long enough, or never leaves, the savings relative to Western SP prices could easily be huge, even in the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, even after factoring in airfare and hotel costs. But even a mere one week trip can result in the savings from cheaper SP's covering the costs of travel when you factor in savings of, oh, say $200 an hour. Take a Thai SP overnight or all day for $100 & you might have covered travel costs in only a day or two.

This could apply to businessmen as well as tourists & expats, whether or not the primary reason for travel to a foreign land was sex. If the former, then the expat is promoted to the status of sexpat, with the goal being sexercise and secstasy.

 

[InTheBum]

Another reason could be that these men can't/don't want to get along with women who are their equal. They need to dominate their partner.

Nothing wrong with that...as longs as they are respectful...

 

[badbadboy]

Shame on the Thai, Filipino or Cambodian governments.

So what do you propose these governments do with these people? If sex trade workers are marginalized here in Canada it is a hell of a lot worse over there.

They do not have access to ANY social safety net. If they don't work they have to beg. No social assistance, no EI, nothing zero. All they have is their bodies to sell.

I have traveled extensively throughout asia and witnessed it first hand. I did not go there to poon but on business. Seeing the crowds of young girls hanging around bars in Bangkok did offend me. I knew they were barely more than children.

Kids with cleft palates sent into shopping malls to hound people for a few baht etc. I have even heard of a child's leg being broken intentionally so they have to crawl and be able to beg. Young girls from farms who can not do a day's work in the field with their families are driven to the city and sold to whore houses by their fathers. Part of their earnings are sent back to the family.

You may not like it nor approve of some 400 lb guy being with a < 18 year old girl or boy but that is the way it is over there.

 

[lenny]

The traveling hobbyists exist primarily for 2 reasons. One, hobbyists either can't afford or refuse to pay the going rate for SPs in the home country so they head to a developing country and take advantage of the dramatically lower rates and desperate people.

So IOW you're saying they're like Canadians who "refuse to pay" Canadian rates & cross the US border to shop and pay much less than in Canada, eh? Is there a problem with this? What's wrong with "taking advantage" of that?

PT, like a wannabe travel agent, wished to inform us that a sex tourist may pay up 2K just to get to the intended destination, including a week in a hotel. How does this qualify as they "can't afford...to pay the going rate for SP's in their home country"?

"Desperate people". So foreign SP's may often be financially poor before entering the sex trade. Is ceasing to give them finances for sex services going to solve their financial problems or perpetuate them?

What is the nature of this "desperation"? Malnutrition, starvation, lack of ipods? Is it ok with you to let these things happen?

With sex work they often are amongst the richest in their country. You wish to deny them that?

Desperate? Yes, amongst the foreign SP's i see, there is a lot of "desperation" to own things like brand name clothes, notebooks, flat screen TVs, cars, apartments, houses. That is, if they don't have them already from sex work earnings.

Take away escorting from Vancouver SP's so that many of them are soon left on welfare, homeless, in minimum or low wage jobs. Then come back & tell me who is "desperate".

There are quite a few "desperate" attempts in this thread to argue against adult sex tourism.

Two, hobbyists can do shit that they can't get away with in the home country such as a 50 years+ and 300 lb+ albino rhino "hanging out" with a young girl barely of age (or under-aged) or forcing SPs to give hour or longer BBBJs. If you don't believe me, just ask Lenny or Tants.

And you don't think "300 pounders", such as with the H.A. illicit drug trade, for an example, have done that in Canada?

As for BBBJ's such as you describe, this has already been accomplished with a PERB advertiser who posted in this very thread. So it seems there is no need to go abroad for that & one can "get away with" that here too.

If i didn't "force" her, what makes you think the ones abroad were forced? And if only the ones who did it were "forced", why were the other 95% who refused to do it not forced? Did they not sumbit to "the force"? Maybe i need to work on my Jedi mind tricks. “Help me, Obi Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.” Master Yoda, I failed you, master, and I feel so guilty i couldn't "force" the other 95%.

If a drug addicted low track SP can give a one hour BBBJ, why can't a straight SP? Answer: they can, but they're either too lazy or selfish, not interested in pleasing their customers, prefer to get away with the minimum work possible, or otherwise simply don't want to.

Not many are willing to do BJs like that anywhere, in Canada or overseas, but if you want to try your luck on a banana, let me know how it goes. Peel it first, if you prefer. Alternately, if you would like to test your DATY prowess, i'd suggest licking an ice cream cone for an hour. I wonder how many ladies would be into recieving that.

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"Do or do not. There is no ‘try’ "

 

[SaveThe7]

I love how arrogant some people have been in this thread, everyone is entitled to their opinion but when you have never been to the places in question and know nothing of the culture you should try and learn the truth before you pronounce judgement. People like to say it's exploitation, which is true in some cases but not near as many as the vehement detractors would like you to believe. I forget who made the point but one of the few sensible comparisons in this thread was that it is no different than a millionaire here paying for a prostitute's services, for him it's nothing to spend 2 or 3 hundred so is he exploiting her? If you do the math prostitutes catering to foreigners in 3rd world countries are making far more money than their equivalents here.

Take the Dominican as an example, the average wage is around 5000 pesos a month and for a hour or two will cost around 1500 pesos with an independent professional prostitute that works the bars, so they are making about 1/3 the average month's wage in an hour or so. The average wage in Canada is around $3800 a month so to do as well as their Dominican counterparts a Canadian prostitute would have to make about $1200 an hour. From reading this board and my own occasional forays I would guess the average here is more like $200 an hour, my personal opinion is that if women here had the chance to make $1200 an hour we'd be neck deep in prostitutes in about a day and a half.

To continue with the Dominican theme it is also important to understand the culture there, younger women generally prefer older, established men and won't give a young man the time of day. They want a man who is mature, wants a family and is stable and responsible enough to care for said family. You can claim a woman should stand on her own, be independent, make the same as a man, blah blah blah but to try and force your moral views and opinions on an entire culture to feed your feelings of self righteous superiority is ridiculous and shows you have no concept of the reality of the situation. Do you think the hundred plus years and counting it has taken our culture to make the changes it has in the way different races and women are treated can be duplicated immediately around the world just because you think our way is better? Do you think a culture that is 2 or 3 times older than ours or in the case of Asia 10 or 20 times older is going to have an easier time changing than us? Give your head a shake.

My suppliers in China would always arrange women for me, some obviously weren't comfortable with a white guy and I never pushed them into anything, I would send them home with some extra cash and a smile. Others were very excited and would want to stay with me my whole trip, no one forced any of them to do anything. I had a regular girl who has a nice apartment paid for by her German boyfriend, she worked in a bar out of boredom and would see me whenever I wanted because she loves sex. To try and sum up all these different types of relationships and experiences as me exploiting poor foreign women is very narrow minded. All these horrible situations you describe happen here at home as well whether it is young girls getting hooked on drugs and pimped out or older guys playing sugar daddy, no where is perfect nor will it ever be. There's always going to be predators and victims and I have no shame in admitting that I am going to make the most of what I have worked for, I'll never be rich in Canada but I plan on retiring young in a poor country where I can have all the things that I can't have here.

 

[*emmanuelle]

...in the Dominican Republic. Some White guy (maybe 40ish) who was staying there actually brought a local KIDDIE prostitute into the resort for dinner. I mean like an actual CHILD (not even a teen) wearing platform stilettos.

To continue with the Dominican theme it is also important to understand the culture there, younger women generally prefer older, established men

Um, I said she was a child, dude. Like, and ACTUAL CHILD. I don't think she prefers "older, established men" over any other kind of man, seeing as how she hasn't even gone through puberty yet.

 

[*emmanuelle]

try and force your moral views and opinions on an entire culture to feed your feelings of self righteous superiority is ridiculous and shows you have no concept of the reality of the situation.

Dang, me and my typical PC Westerner views! LOL, aren't I just such an annoying liberal, trying to push my crazy colonial views on developing nations? I should probably be more sensitive to other cultures and not tell them that RAPING CHILDREN IS WRONG. (Yes, it's rape. Children cannot legally consent)

 

[Pillowtalk]

I love how arrogant some people have been in this thread, everyone is entitled to their opinion but when you have never been to the places in question and know nothing of the culture you should try and learn the truth before you pronounce judgement. People like to say it's exploitation, which is true in some cases but not near as many as the vehement detractors would like you to believe. I forget who made the point but one of the few sensible comparisons in this thread was that it is no different than a millionaire here paying for a prostitute's services, for him it's nothing to spend 2 or 3 hundred so is he exploiting her? If you do the math prostitutes catering to foreigners in 3rd world countries are making far more money than their equivalents here.

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I think you missed most of the relevant points. The exploitation is not regarding independents choosing the work, as you are describing here. It is the ones who are working for someone else, often to pay off a debt or loan, and not by their choice at all. Even beyond that, there are some who choose, but pay a boss in order to arrange the workplace for them. Those are also paying of a debt, and making money for someone else at the same time.

I think to ignore the difference is the same as ignoring the difference when it happens here. If the sps you see aren't involved with choosing who they see, and they are paying someone else a portion of their earnings, that is exploitive. There is no other way to look at it, willing or not, happy or not, legal age or not.

I just don't understand why some people have a problem with that concept. It is possible to be exploited in all kinds of jobs, including whatever it is that you do. Some people contact a guy who can arrange for them to come to this country, they pay him off because they get employed by another guy somewhere, who pays them 1/4 of the wage that you would be paid to do the same thing legally.

I think that going to a country for a week, as a sex tourist, and meeting a few sps who are working willingly or under duress (which they are not going to tell you about their working conditions) actually does not make you an expert. If you have not taken the time to actually research it all, then you really don't know what you are talking about.

Even your example:

My suppliers in China would always arrange women for me, some obviously weren't comfortable with a white guy and I never pushed them into anything, I would send them home with some extra cash and a smile

How is that not exploitive of the women "sent' to you? You don't even consider there might be something off about that?

 

[Pillowtalk]

A very well written and interesting read. I would venture to guess you are far more right than you are wrong in this case.

People don't like reality to get in the way of their own misconceptions I guess.

Wilde sums it up nicely as well

The traveling hobbyists exist primarily for 2 reasons. One, hobbyists either can't afford or refuse to pay the going rate for SPs in the home country so they head to a developing country and take advantage of the dramatically lower rates and desperate people. Two, hobbyists can do shit that they can't get away with in the home country such as a 50 years+ and 300 lb+ albino rhino "hanging out" with a young girl barely of age (or under-aged) or forcing SPs to give hour or longer BBBJs. If you don't believe me, just ask Lenny or Tants.

Sure, there are other reasons but none bigger than those two, IMHO.

If you want to see a couple of sps in a country that you are visiting, cool, fine, whatever. But the OP spent his entire trip to HK only seeing sps, and the time between them was only to eat or nap. afaik, he saw nothing of the country he visited, altho he boasts an extensive interest in the country, culture and people of China. And weren't the majority of sps he saw in CHINA from THAILAND.

Actually, and he probably does not know this, but he could travel to Indonesia and see actual China born sps working in similar set ups for cheaper rates than the local sps.

 

[SaveThe7]

Where did I say anything about kids Emmanuelle or that I was posting in response to your story? I will say this in response to you though, instead of sitting on your ass you should have called the cops on the guy. I'm sure they would have been thrilled to make an example of him and being in jail there is a much better punishment for him than sitting in comfy cell back home.

I have spent closer to a year rather than just a week in China so I think I have a pretty good idea of how things work there, they have their way of doing things and just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's going to change. I went back and read your posts pillowtalk and you say you have friends that have been there so you have some second hand information, how does that make you an expert? From your comments about the original poster I think you need to go back and read the original post again, I think you are confused:

"The bulk of my overseas trip is actually taken up exploring the sights or just finding my way around and locating decent places to eat and sleep. I also like to reach out to the local people, study their culture and language, read travel guides and write a diary.

Play-for-pay is just the cherry on the cake."

Nowhere does he say the bulk of his time was spent with prostitutes nor does he mention Thai girls anywhere in this thread, if you read his reports you'd know the effort he has put into learning Mandarin so I doubt he is going to China to look for foreign girls. Seems to me you are holding tightly to your misconceptions and not even paying attention to anyone that doesn't agree with your views.

 

[*emmanuelle]

Where did I say anything about kids Emmanuelle or that I was posting in response to your story? I will say this in response to you though, instead of sitting on your ass you should have called the cops on the guy. I'm sure they would have been thrilled to make an example of him and being in jail there is a much better punishment for him than sitting in comfy cell back home.

Oh, I thought you were talking about my story, because I mentioned an underage girl with old guy in the Dominican, and then a few posts later, you wrote a paragraph saying something like "younger women in the Dominican actually enjoy being with older men" It seemed like you were referring directly to my story, especially given the fact that everybody else was talking about Asia I was the only one who had mentioned the Dominican. Apologies if that was not the case. I would not want to suggest that you condoned something as awful as what I saw!

Yes, I would have loved to see that guy get arrested! :clap2: The resort staff came and escorted her out though before anyone else could do anything, so I have no idea what ended up happening to him or her. I don't know what would have happened if they'd been allowed to stay there; there were a lot of other tourists giving him really dirty looks, I am sure if they'd have stayed, something would have gone down!!

 

[lenny]

If you poon in southeast asia, the dominican or africa, you are a moron or have a death wish. The incidence of AIDS in sex trade workers there makes pay for play extremely stupid,

There's so much misinformation in this thread.

Besides the fact HIV is no longer considered a "death sentence" or "death wish", in some African countries the general prevalence of HIV is less than in Canada. So it seems presumptuous to assume the rate among sex workers there would be so bad as to speak of them, as you do, without any evidence presented to support your claim.

Moreover, in other threads here on PERB discussing sex tourist destinations, i don't recall Africa ever being mentioned. The two most popular targets were Brazil and Thailand.

Re Thailand, the rate of HIV among female sex workers in venues is only slightly higher than the general populace, as i have documented in another thread. The vast majority use condoms and are on meds if they have HIV, thereby significantly lowering the chances of transmission which is rare in any case.

General populace HIV rates in some other SE Asian nations are significantly lower than Thailand. In the PI it's lower than in Canada.

Thinking that these same guys may come and book with me is terrifying.

Perhaps more concern should be about the some 20% of PERBs who've seen Vancouver streetwalkers, whose rate of HIV is certainly much higher than those in the forementioned two popular sex tourist destinations. DTES IDU SP's probably have a rate in the range of about 30-40%.

Not that i think any of this is terrifying. If you practice safe sex, you're more likely to suffer a life changing accident riding in a speeding death trap, er, motor vehicle. If you ever get in a car, does this also terrify you? So much stress can't be healthy for enjoying a long happy life.

 

[yazoo]

Thailand's HIV story is an interesting one...

Full article here and worth reading; it also covers CSW's and freelancers, i've included some excerpts:

There are very few developing countries in the world where public policy has been effective in preventing the spread of HIV and AIDS on a national scale, but Thailand is an exception. In the 1990s, a massive programme that began to control HIV reduced visits to commercial sex workers by half, raised condom usage, decreased the prevalence of STDs (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) dramatically, and achieved substantial reductions in new HIV infections.

Between 1988 and 1989, the HIV prevalence among injecting drug users rose dramatically from almost zero to 40%. The prevalence among sex workers also increased, with studies in Chang Mai suggesting that 44% of sex workers were infected with HIV.

It was not until 1991, when a new Prime Minister, Anand Panyarachun came to power, that HIV prevention and control became a national priority at the highest level. The new prime minister took several important steps that have since been credited with helping to slow the epidemic.

Firstly, the AIDS control programme was moved from the Ministry of Public Health to the Office of the Prime Minister, which increased its political influence. The budget increased almost 20-fold to $44 million in 1993.13

Secondly, a massive public information campaign on AIDS was launched under the leadership of cabinet member Mechai Viravaidya, a well-known Thai AIDS activist and politician. Anti-AIDS messages aired every hour on the country's 488 radio stations and six television networks, and every school was required to teach AIDS education classes.

The high-profile campaign was initially unpopular with the influential tourism industry, and tourism indeed temporarily declined. However, once AIDS had a prominent place on the national agenda, opposition to the measures gradually faded and support increased.14

Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, the '100 percent condom programme' was initiated.15 This programme aimed to enforce consistent condom use in all commercial sex establishments. Condoms were distributed free to brothels and massage parlours, and sex workers and their clients were required to use them. Brothels that failed to comply could be closed. Without this programme, it is estimated that Thailand’s national HIV prevalence would be ten times higher than it currently is.16

“When a team of reporters decided to test the 100% condom programme by visiting Chang Mai with the aim of buying sex without a condom, they failed.”

Thailand Statistics30
Estimated total population, end 201131
66,720,153
Estimated number of people living with HIV, end 2009 530,000
Adults aged 15 and over living with HIV, end 2009
520,000
Women aged 15 and over living with HIV, end 2009 210,000
Estimated adult (15-49) HIV prevalence, end 2009 1.3%
Estimated number of AIDS deaths in 2009

 

[tantalizeme]

Enjoyed the videos—and the lively debate

Enjoyed the Pattaya videos—though the movies on this other site are possibly a little more...in depth: http://fapdu.com/pattaya.porn

The sobering HIV statistics are definitely added incentive for me to make sure the rubber stays on.

As for the question of whether I travel primarily for sex or other motives, I made abundantly clear that all I like to do is spice up my cultural explorations with a bit of erotic satisfaction.

When it comes to the issue of whether the total cost of a sex vacation isn't usually greater than just pooning at home, the answer is: depends on a number of factors (nicely detailed by Lenny).

In a case like mine, I'd have gone on an Asia trip anyway—so strictly speaking, I shouldn't count flight and hotels as part of my overseas pooning costs. Even if flight and hotels are factored into the equation, the break-even point is easily reached within two weeks, provided a travelling hobbyist uses budget accommodation.

What makes overseas pooning worthwhile for me in any case isn't only the incredible selection of exotic babes, but the erotic kick of knowing that I'm getting for next to nothing what in Vancouver is a $200 value.

 

[tantalizeme]

Poignant photo

BTW, if you don't find this picture repulsive you have a very strong stomach.

When I look at this photo, I ask myself: Does this woman regard sex for money with this fellow as being in her self-interest, given the other options she has in life?

In a more ideal world, poor countries like Thailand or the Philippines would do more to control their exploding populations so they could afford a decent social safety net. But even then, of course, this young woman might choose sex work for the relative affluence it buys.

Given the world we actually live in, the moral choice boils down to this. Do we allow or even encourage sex travel as the best chance of many women in poor countries to earn a decent living—or do we deprive them of their livelihood, under the pretense of saving them from exploitation?

Personally, I'm utterly confident that traveling overseas on sex trips is as morally inspiring as it can be erotically satisfying. Becoming a travelling hobbyist is the right thing to do—as long as you cavort with adult women and treat them with the same respect all SPs deserve.

It's indeed one of life's most amazing experiences, almost like a miracle, when a fat old ugly guy—despised by Western women like Anita—discovers his surprisingly high sexual market value in a developing country and is treated like a king by women there.

 

[tantalizeme]

Insightful perspective

I love how arrogant some people have been in this thread, everyone is entitled to their opinion but when you have never been to the places in question and know nothing of the culture you should try and learn the truth before you pronounce judgement. People like to say it's exploitation, which is true in some cases but not near as many as the vehement detractors would like you to believe....

Take the Dominican as an example, the average wage is around 5000 pesos a month and for a hour or two will cost around 1500 pesos with an independent professional prostitute that works the bars, so they are making about 1/3 the average month's wage in an hour or so...

To continue with the Dominican theme it is also important to understand the culture there, younger women generally prefer older, established men and won't give a young man the time of day. They want a man who is mature, wants a family and is stable and responsible enough to care for said family. You can claim a woman should stand on her own, be independent, make the same as a man, blah blah blah but to try and force your moral views and opinions on an entire culture to feed your feelings of self righteous superiority is ridiculous and shows you have no concept of the reality of the situation...

My suppliers in China would always arrange women for me, some obviously weren't comfortable with a white guy and I never pushed them into anything, I would send them home with some extra cash and a smile. Others were very excited and would want to stay with me my whole trip, no one forced any of them to do anything. I had a regular girl who has a nice apartment paid for by her German boyfriend, she worked in a bar out of boredom and would see me whenever I wanted because she loves sex. To try and sum up all these different types of relationships and experiences as me exploiting poor foreign women is very narrow minded. All these horrible situations you describe happen here at home as well whether it is young girls getting hooked on drugs and pimped out or older guys playing sugar daddy, no where is perfect nor will it ever be. There's always going to be predators and victims and I have no shame in admitting that I am going to make the most of what I have worked for, I'll never be rich in Canada but I plan on retiring young in a poor country where I can have all the things that I can't have here.

Hey brother,

Thank you for your thoughts and sentiments—I find myself sharing most of them. Your retire-in-a-poor-country idea has certainly crossed my mind too!

Those who complain about discrepancies in looks or age between sex buyers and sellers in developing countries don't seem to grasp the concept of men's and women's asymmetry in sexual market value.

Given evolved differences in male and female sexuality, the sexual market value of young women is generally high in the eyes of both young and old men (no matter how poor these women are). By contrast, the sexual market value of young men is much lower, especially if they're very poor—like most young men in developing countries.

In such a country, it's clearly a very bad bet for a nice-looking woman with normal material aspirations to mate with local male peers and get pregnant: she just squanders her sexual market value and probably condemns herself (and her children) to lifelong destitution.

Just like poor men in developing countries, men in Western countries who aren't particularly rich also find that their sexual market value is rather low in nice-looking Western women's eyes. Most end up paying dearly for erotic access to even moderately desirable Western women, either via marriage or via prostitution.

But the miracle of developing countries is precisely that almost all Western men with a bit of spare cash immediately possess superior sexual market value in the eyes of local women. These women are amazingly forgiving of a man's physical imperfections and often eager not just to have sex with him, but to become his GF—hoping no doubt he'll find it in his heart to rescue them from the insecurity, squalor and chaos in which they live.

If even aging fat Western slobs are gratefully welcomed, a reasonably well-preserved gent will often find himself almost mobbed by women in Thailand or the Philippines (and, to a lesser extent, China).

For a man like myself—who regards sexual satisfaction as life's biggest source of pleasure—obviously a lot hangs on choosing to live in a place where his sexual market value is high. He would be foolish to stay in a country where women he'd love to have sex with don't generally desire him or charge him an arm and a leg.

So it's a great idea to find a pooner's paradise to retire in—where even regular love relationships generally come easy and are relatively inexpensive to maintain.

 

[87112]

Tant you're full of shit, when you say ladies will mob you to a lesser extent in China. Who do you think you are Brad fucking Pitt. Quit with your often bullshit stories and plain tell us you pay for all the pussy you ever get asshat. No one is mobbed over in any country you go to, it all the same wherever you go. Sure you might get a stare now and than for looking different in a foreign country but women do not come to you with the cell # cause you're white and able to walk.

 

[jesuschrist]

When I look at this photo, I ask myself: Does this woman regard sex for money with this fellow as being in her self-interest, given the other options she has in life?

In a more ideal world, poor countries like Thailand or the Philippines would do more to control their exploding populations so they could afford a decent social safety net. But even then, of course, this young woman might choose sex work for the relative affluence it buys.

Given the world we actually live in, the moral choice boils down to this. Do we allow or even encourage sex travel as the best chance of many women in poor countries to earn a decent living—or do we deprive them of their livelihood, under the pretense of saving them from exploitation?

Personally, I'm utterly confident that traveling overseas on sex trips is as morally inspiring as it can be erotically satisfying. Becoming a travelling hobbyist is the right thing to do—as long as you cavort with adult women and treat them with the same respect all SPs deserve.

It's indeed one of life's most amazing experiences, almost like a miracle, when a fat old ugly guy—despised by Western women like Anita—discovers his surprisingly high sexual market value in a developing country and is treated like a king by women there.

If you are really interested in helping those poor girls in developing nations, just donate your money to them. With the totally asymmetrical exchange rate differences, it wouldn't hurt you at all to give away a few bucks, but it would help them a ton. But I digress.....

Probably one of the most despicable things in this world is hearing someone speak as though they are doing people in developing countries a big favour when it is their own greed and self-interest they are truly serving. It's absolutely revolting and disgusting reading what you've stated.

You ask, "Does this woman regard sex for money with this fellow as being in her self-interest, given the other options she has in life?"

Knowing full well her other options are terrible, especially with poverty all around her, you answer yourself with this rather interesting question, "Do we allow or even encourage sex travel as the best chance of many women in poor countries to earn a decent living—or do we deprive them of their livelihood, under the pretense of saving them from exploitation?"

Interesting, because it shows your total culpability.

And instead of absolving yourself because you show complete ability to do the right thing, being moral and just, and empathize with the poor and exploited, you then say: "Personally, I'm utterly confident that traveling overseas on sex trips is as morally inspiring as it can be erotically satisfying" - meaning, yes - you are confident that exploiting their poverty is morally inspiring (to yourself).

But in your own unique style, you go further in making yourself out to be some shining white knight, by saying, "Becoming a travelling hobbyist is the right thing to do—as long as you cavort with adult women and treat them with the same respect all SPs deserve".

You are morally twisted and sick.

 

[jesuschrist]

since you are passing direct judgement on him, I'm curious if you buy products that are made cheaply in third world countries?

Of course I do, but there's a big difference in going to Walmart to buy socks made in a sweatshop in China than going to Thailand and paying a girl $100 for an overnight ass fucking. If you can't understand that, then I'll add you to the pile with him.

 

[SaveThe7]

Tant you're full of shit, when you say ladies will mob you to a lesser extent in China. Who do you think you are Brad fucking Pitt. Quit with your often bullshit stories and plain tell us you pay for all the pussy you ever get asshat. No one is mobbed over in any country you go to, it all the same wherever you go. Sure you might get a stare now and than for looking different in a foreign country but women do not come to you with the cell # cause you're white and able to walk.

You obviously haven't traveled much honda, a different look and an accent can be more than enough to get you laid in a lot of places with no money changing hands. Although being an angry jackass like you seem to be can screw up a sure thing quick enough.