Dude let me know the list of SP's whom you have seen and whom I will avoid. I am pretty sure you made this statement to run through another debate which is pointless. It is stunning to see somebody who read through facts makes a statement like this though.
Discussion - Lost another Regular to BBFS... WTF!
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Thanks for the info!! How many of these STI's have vaccinations and how effective are they? Well I can search through surfing, but being an expert I am loading that effort back on to you!!
This will also help pooners visiting this post get some information.Well I to am being asked for this service more and more and frankly..it pisses me off! To ask for that now a days is crazy! I think I must have missed something in recent years....IF it wasnt safe to practice BB services say 10yrs ago...did something happen that it is NOW safe to do?
Now as for Kazesoras comment....I guess you have just outed yourself as one of the ones asking for BBFS! Well im glad you did it publicly so all the SPs out there know what to expect from you!
Happy health Kazesora!
Just my thoughts!
xoxo
this is a link to an article called: "AIDs denialists who have died"
http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists
Not that my objection to the bbfs advocates like lenny is about HIV/Aids alone, which seems to be the only concern by many who do it. There are a dozen things that can be passed back and forth without taking risk reduction precautions, so knowing that and advocating against safer sex practises, is criminally irresponsible, imo. When children are born with syphillis, and women become infertile due to HPV and untreated stds, that is criminal.
http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/misuse
http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists
Not that my objection to the bbfs advocates like lenny is about HIV/Aids alone, which seems to be the only concern by many who do it. There are a dozen things that can be passed back and forth without taking risk reduction precautions, so knowing that and advocating against safer sex practises, is criminally irresponsible, imo. When children are born with syphillis, and women become infertile due to HPV and untreated stds, that is criminal.
http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/misuse
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What happened was the influx of Asian Aunties who offer it to clients. Even if you don't offer it, some guy who has seen these aunties might come see you. Or a guy who sees the aunties goes and visits other SP's who are safe.
Thanks for the info!! How many of these STI's have vaccinations and how effective are they? Well I can search through surfing, but being an expert I am loading that effort back on to you!!
Hi questseek12
The are a few vaccines you can get that will offer protection against certain viruses that can be passed with sex.
The one vaccine I highly recommend for everyone is the hepatitis B vaccine. It offers good protection against hepatitis B which can pass with sex.
http://immunizebc.ca/diseases-vaccinations/hepatitis-b
http://smartsexresource.com/topics/hepatitis-b
We also offer the hepatitis A vaccine to men who are having sex with other men. This would mainly spread from rimming.
http://immunizebc.ca/diseases-vaccinations/hepatitis-a
http://smartsexresource.com/topics/hepatitis
There is also the HPV vaccine
http://immunizebc.ca/diseases-vaccinations/hpv
http://smartsexresource.com/topics/genital-warts-and-hpv
HN
www.smartsexresource.com
Yes, we have to die, though we don`t have to increase our chances of dieing today, or soon, or halfway through what could have been a full life of 70 or 80 years. Neither do we have to live that life out taking daily HIV meds that may have serious side effects which impact the quality of our life for the worse.
After die is not a bad idea either. It seems most people want it:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...er-and-months-left-to-live&highlight=bareback
That might depend on the number of cigarettes and the type of BBFS. Is it BBFS with low track
sex workers or receptive anal from a HIV positive gay male? BTW there are actually websites out
there where HIV negative homosexuals seek out HIV positive partners for BB sex with the intention
of purposely infecting themselves with HIV. Crazy, eh?
http://voices.yahoo.com/an-hiv-positive-mans-lesson-those-wanting-be-689106.html?cat=70
http://voices.yahoo.com/bug-chasing-why-some-men-want-become-hiv-positive-10487.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing
Is there any upside to smoking cigarettes? I would guess most users want to quit because they
know it is self-destructive. BBFS (i.e. BB sex), OTOH, is what everyone wants, if they can do it
safely and w/o unwanted pregnancies.
With the advancements in medicine, HIV is no longer considered a death sentence and the
public has become more aware of that fact. It has also been suggested that some people
do BB sex as a reaction against the overblown scare tactics from certain sources re HIV.
http://www.capebretonpost.com/Livin.../Living-with-HIV-no-longer-a-death-sentence/1
http://www.medindia.net/news/HIV-No-Longer-a-Death-Sentence-Conference-Told-24024-1.htm#.
http://www.hivma.org/HIV_Undiagnosed_2011/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/14/hiv-infection-not-a-death-sentence-judge/
Yet even back in 2004 there was this:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?8431-BBFS-How-Recently&highlight=bareback
If only the world would "just say no" to sex. Problems solved.
Just say no to unprotected sex. I think that is obvious.
Isn't it true that you can buy a negative report from certain clinics in Bangkok, as 'proof' of std free status?
For a small fee, you too can do 'safe' bbfs with a piece of paper that costs less than a Big Mac.
http://www.thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.html
Just the other day on TERB someone claimed to be a former SP & to have been offered a
fake STI test for $20. In Canada, i presume. My replies stated:
"When i get SP's tested i go with them to the hospital/clinic & am there when they
get their test results (which i see) & talk to the doctor about them. They aren't
buying fake papers in an alley on skid row or creating & printing up their own at home."
"...in Bangkok there is a world class hospital by the name of Bumrungrad, that is a 10 minute
walk from my hotel, and Thai P4P girls i know are more than willing for me to take them there for
HIV and or other STI tests."
"Alternately i wonder if it might be possible for clients & SP's to see each other's results
from an official medical website. That would be a more hassle free method."
Also there is coming the "In-Home, Do-It-Yourself Rapid HIV Test", though this is just an
antibody test, so not as accurate as the combined antibody with antigen or NAT testing.
http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/hiv_otc_test_1667_22643.shtml
There is one flaw in the reasoning .
Women that are having unprotected sex ,, are more likely to be in a stable relationship with one partner ... There for less stress , less depression and better health
As for women that had multiple partners and did did not swallow or had protection , like those that abstained .. , they were stressed unhappy and more likely to be less healthy
It not that i get unprotected sex .. it might be nice some times .. But only in a monogamous relationship .. with no stress then i can see every one being healthier
Women that are having unprotected sex ,, are more likely to be in a stable relationship with one partner ... There for less stress , less depression and better health
As for women that had multiple partners and did did not swallow or had protection , like those that abstained .. , they were stressed unhappy and more likely to be less healthy
It not that i get unprotected sex .. it might be nice some times .. But only in a monogamous relationship .. with no stress then i can see every one being healthier
IMO a more obvious and likely answer is the rampant use of female sex workers (FSW) by Thai men, as well as unsafe heterosexual sex being more common in Thailand than in the USA & in the West.PillowTalk quoting ThaiGuru said:
This would include not only not using condoms, but the fact that non-Muslim Thai men are seldom circumcised, compared to 70% in the USA. Circumcision reduces a man's risk of transmission of HIV via heterosexual vaginal sex by 50-60%.
Moreover, compared to American males, Thai men are less likely to be immune to HIV, less likely to have regular STI testing, more likely to lie about how they were HIV infected (than lose face/admit they are homosexual, bisexual, or an injecting drug user), and more likely to have STI's that increase the chance of HIV transmission.
Furthermore, could there be a smaller percentage of homosexuals (men having sex with men, MSM) and intravenous drug users (IDU) in Thailand than in the USA or Western world? BTW, like in the West, both groups (MSM & IDU) in Thailand have HIV rates much higher than the general population and even female sex workers (FSW).
"Our findings do not support the conclusion that subtype E strains have a preferential tropism for DCs, suggesting that other explanations for the rapid heterosexual spread of subtype E strains in Asia should be considered."
http://jvi.asm.org/content/71/10/8001
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/155/2/159.full.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9311895
This is a 2009 comment from one of the world's foremost STI experts:
"That this HIV subtype is more transmissible through heterosexual exposure is controversial, supported by some studies and not confirmed others. Little or no research on this concept has been reported in the past 10 years. If some HIV strains are more transmissible sexually than others, the difference is likely small and not particularly relevant to individual risk assessment. It is much more important that vaginal sex is an inherently inefficient transmission mechansism and that HIV is now uncommon in most Thai sex workers."
"Avert.org, an HIV prevention organization in the UK, has an excellent summary of HIV subtypes and their significance. See http://www.avert.org/hiv-types.htm."
"...Although HIV was once common in Thai sex workers, it's much less frequent than 15 years ago, largely due to excellent government sponsored HIV prevention programs in that country...My understanding is that well under 5% of Thai sex workers have HIV, probably less than 1% in most parts of the country.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV---Prevention/Unprotected-sex-with-thai-sex-worker/show/1079780
http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/id/56166
One poster opined:
"The reason HIV is predominantly heterosexual in Thailand is the same as why HIV is heterosexual in Africa. Rampant prostitution with low condom usage. Why look for complex answers when you have an obvious one? This guy may be a guru, but he doesn't sound anything like an HIV expert to me."
With the widespread use of prostitution, giks, mia noi (minor/2nd wife), mistresses, etc, in Siam, it may not be the country with the highest rate of fidelity. "Thais top the infidelity charts":
"Thai men are ranked on top and their women are ranked second as the world's most unfaithul lovers, with well over half of them admitting to frequent infidelity, according to a survey conducted by Durex, a condom producer."
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/309732/thai-women-ranks-no-2-in-infidelity
"Thailand has a well-deserved reputation as the world's brothel. It has an enormous domestic market in which the majority of Thai men are enthusiastic consumers" (p. 81).
"Thai male sexual culture actively promotes male promiscuity and the purchase of sex" (p. 132).
("Sex Slaves: the trafficking of women in Asia" by Louise Brown, copyright 2000.)
"Prostitution is practised openly throughout the country...According to a 2001 report by the World Health Organisation: "The most reliable suggestion is that there are between 150,000 and 200,000 sex workers."[8] A recent government survey found that there were 76,000 to 77,000 adult prostitutes in registered entertainment establishments; however, NGOs believed there were between 200,000 and 300,000 prostitutes.[3]... in Thailand the sexual behaviour of Thai men accepts prostitution. Every class of Thai men accept it..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand
"...research has noted an increased trend of erratic condom use by female prostitutes. In some cases, women selling sex reported using a condom in just over one half of commercial sex encounters. Finally, premarital sex, once taboo, is increasingly common among young Thais, only 20 to 30 percent of whom use condoms consistently, according to the United Nations Development Program.[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Thailand
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What the OP described has happened to me three times... under pretty much exactly the same circumstances. A "favorite" girl whom I had seen four or five times (in two case) and twice (or three?) times with the third. In all three cases, Li'l Stooey was in before I realized it. And I had pretty much the same reaction as you did... Wham!
And i have not been back to see any of them. Which sucks.
As much as I like to think my treatment was because of a "special" relationship with the lady, but I am not that naive.
All of the ladies were aware of my personal situation (I am a widow and single Dad, so minimal social life) so maybe it was a mercy-fuck.
I did also have a LTR with a retired SP which was still a pay for play deal, but only after we went out for dinner etc. This became a BB arrangement after a while, but we both considered that to be "civilian" relationship, even though I still paid her.
And i have not been back to see any of them. Which sucks.
As much as I like to think my treatment was because of a "special" relationship with the lady, but I am not that naive.
All of the ladies were aware of my personal situation (I am a widow and single Dad, so minimal social life) so maybe it was a mercy-fuck.
I did also have a LTR with a retired SP which was still a pay for play deal, but only after we went out for dinner etc. This became a BB arrangement after a while, but we both considered that to be "civilian" relationship, even though I still paid her.
I don't know anyone who'd argue that Thais sex practices are as safe as, say, Canadians. The rate of HIV infections in Thailand is around 1% of the general population, and it's about 5 times less than that in Canada. Both of these are small percentages compared to most South African nations which are in the range of 10-26%. Likewise they are tiny numbers compared to populations of specific groups in both countries, such as intravenous drug users (IDU) and men who have sex with men (MSM).PillowTalk quoting ThaiGuru said:
http://aidsdatahub.org/dmdocuments/MSM_Country_Snapshots_-_Thailand_online.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21780964
http://www.eastwestcenter.org/fileadmin/stored/misc/FuturePop07AIDS.pdf
I think the phenomenon of more bareback sex occuring when people are drunk is not exclusive to Thailand. Alcohol is sold in other countries. It can make it more difficult to apply a condom consistently and correctly, if the intoxicated even has the will to, remembers to use one or where he put it.
BTW, Thai sex workers employed in bars gulping "lady drinks" all night may not be the best bet in the country for safer sex. As would be the case as well with ladyboys, homosexuals, and anyone who appears they might be under the influence of IDU, yabba or ice (meth). The same would apply to the USA & Canada.
"In the general population the national trend in prevalence of HIV infection is one of continuous decline since 1996."
"Percentage of adults and children with advanced HIV infection receiving antiretroviral therapy - 41 (2006), 77.76 (2010) (page 9)
Such "therapy" makes the group on it far less infectious than those not taking such pills.
"Percentage of female and male sex workers reporting the use of a condom with their most recent client - 92% (2009) (page 13)
"Percentage of young women and men aged 15–24 who are HIV infected - 0.95 (2003) & 0.58 (2009) (page 13)
"Percentage of most-at-risk populations who are HIV infected - SW 3.17, FSW 2.79, MSW 14.17, MSM 13.53, IDU 38.67 (2010) (page 14)
SW = Sex Workers
FSW = Female sex workers
MSW = Male Sex Workers
MSM = Men who have Sex with Men
IDU = Injecting Drug Users
http://www.unaids.org/en/dataanalys.../thailand_2010_country_progress_report_en.pdf
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Number of posts by Lenny: 19
Number of posts by Lenny where he quotes other websites: 19
PillowTalk quoting ThaiGuru website said:
Mr. Guru's comment here is without references & his page is quite dated. Even back in 1997:
"...according to the WHO..."Infection rates among injecting drug users remain high at 20%-45% nationwide...20% of sex workers in rural areas were HIV-positive compared with only 7% in Bangkok"
"...Also, as mentioned before, even in the 7% Bangkok number there is no breakdown between sex workers who service Thais and farangs. I think it would be safe to assume that a Thai brothel is more likely to adopt the Thai casualness towards requiring condoms than would be a farang owned bar on Soi Cowboy. And seeing as that there are more sex workers working in the Thai sex industry than in the farang sex industry, again, assuming a 7% infection rate for your average Nana go-go is likely to be a huge overestimate.
"And on top of all that, there’s the tendency to automatically assume a sex worker is a female. There is a vibrant transgender and gay prostitution industry in Bangkok as well. Unfortunately, most educational and awareness programs are aimed at women so, again, I think one would have to assume that HIV rates would run higher in the gay and transgender sex industry which would inflate the Bangkok numbers (the number of gay brothels outside of Bangkok is assumed to be very small compared to within Bangkok) as they too are sex workers.
http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2009/06/16/aidshiv-thailand/
More recently, according to the W.H.O., in 2004 the HIV rate was 4.3 for all sex workers in major urban areas as well as in Bangkok, and 5.6% outside of them.
http://apps.who.int/globalatlas/predefinedReports/EFS2008/full/EFS2008_TH.pdf
http://www.who.int/countries/tha/en/
For venue FSW (female sex workers) a study on the UNAIDS site listed the national HIV rate
as 1.8% in 2011, which was down from 3.8% in 2005.
"Percentage of sex workers who are living with HIV FSW (venue based)" (p.16)
3.8...2005
2.6...2006
3.6...2007
2.8...2008
1.9...2009
http://www.unaids.org/en/regionscountries/countries/thailand/
http://www.unaids.org/en/dataanalys...sreports/2012countries/ce_TH_Narrative_Report[1].pdf
In 2011-2012 i had 8 streetwalkers tested for HIV (using AN/AB) in Bangkok and 100% were negative. However i would note this was not an "unexpected finding and based on a statistically small and arguably insignificant sampling".
Regarding this "disguised prostitute" type, I am extremely sceptical that this sort of lady would have HIV rates comparable to IDU in Bangkok or on skid row in Vancouver. But for those engaging such in BBFS, by all means have them HIV tested first.
Another better protection vs HIV than general condom use is bareback sex (BBFS) with a faithful & clean monogamous partner.
"Monogamy or polyfidelity, practiced faithfully, is very safe (as far as STIs are concerned) when all partners are non-infected."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex#Other_precautions
Additionally, comparing effectiveness of methods vs HIV (how much each reduces the chance of
becoming HIV infected relative to BBFS without the advantage of the method):
1. Male circumcision: 50-60%
2. Latex condoms: real world use averages around 85%, "perfect" use, about 98%
3. Truvada pill: up to 90% or more "if used as directed"
4. HIV testing: in the UK a person who has just donated blood & been tested negative for HIV
(using AB + NAT) has an estimated 1 in 5 million chance of donating infected blood. BBFS with such
a person would be even 1000 times safer than that, i.e. the risk would be about 1 in 5 billion. So
virtually as safe as abstinence or the aforementioned monogamy.
BTW, perfect practice of coitus interruptus during BBFS will dramaticly reduce if not eliminate
entirely the quantity of semen, comparable to levels of exposure with perfect condom use.
Number of posts on this thread: 134
Number of posts by Lenny: 19
Number of posts by Lenny where he quotes other websites: 19
# of times he tries to refute actual facts with misleading quotes from other websites: 19
Great research there, blaze!
I can see you are a stat lover.
If you check out my "LOL of the day" thread, with some 170 posts, i bet well over 80%
of them are mine. https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-day&p=1279420&highlight=miracle#post1279420
Though the stat that really interests me in this topic is the views. Why do these BBFS
threads always have so much more interest than any other topic? Could you keep your
eye on the view count and let us know the exact minute it hits 20,000.
BTW, in case you didn`t know, University trains you to cite references.
Even PT does that from time to time, though i have no idea where she picked up such a
filthy habit ;
It was a bit of a workout responding to the Mickey Mouse, er, Thai Guru, quotes you posted.
Though I was familiar with him a couple years ago. Got any more you want to share?
Perhaps you still prefer his "misleading" info over "facts" from the W.H.O. (World Health Organization), United Nations AIDS (UNAIDS), & a world leading STI authority i quoted.
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