Great Way to Start the Long Weekend - WE SHUT THOSE FUCKERS DOWN!!!!!!!

[Fudd]

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Coal-Fired Power Plant Enforcement Initiative
The coal-fired power plant industry is an EPA national enforcement priority. Since 1999, EPA has pursued a coordinated, integrated compliance and enforcement strategy to address Clean Air Act (CAA) New Source Review compliance issues at the nation's coal-fired power plants. Many of these cases have resulted in settlements or are being argued in court.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/cases/civil/caa/coal/index.html

This morning I was sitting at my desk and reviewing an environmental report when my friend came in and reminded me about a the trip we took 5 years ago to the US to get emission readings from some coal fired electrical plants that we turned over to the EPA and all those court apperances we made to press for shut downs. Well guess what? After all the the hard work. WE SHUT THOSE FUCKERS DOWN!!!!!!

He was just told that 3 of the plants we took readings are shutting down. And its about time too. I remember one of the plants located in a small town i think in Illinos had a cancer rate 3 times the national average. When we first approach the town we actually saw the murky grey haze that was caused by emmisions from the plant. It was absolutely disqusting. I was giving up hope too because last time I attended the Court down there. The major of the town was trying to minipulate the judge by arguing how shutting down the plant would hurt the economy and cost them jobs and that town would end up with high unemployment rates. I think the judge was buying that crap. But in the end common sence prevaled and the we now have a win for Mother Earth!!!!!!

But this is just the begining. Did you know that about 40% of eletricty production in the US is from coal fired plants and many of them regularly exceed EPA emmision standards. These plants are scattered across the numerous states in populated areas. The cancer rates especially lung cancer and cases of juvinal cancer around such plants are much higher than the national average. On top of all that the size and health of plants and animals around such areas poor. We have got a long way to go but eventually we will shut them all down.

 

[Sonny]

Congratulations! Now you need to find a way to fight all those advertising dollars the Coal Industry is throwing at television these days. And, of course, they have their presidential candidate champion in Mitt Romney, with his Super PACs and super-wealthy elite buddies.

I sincerely pray Mitt is shit on election day, and that your effort and that of those like-minded in your cause wll succeed, and make "eventually" much sooner than later.

 

[kickback]

Hey Peaceguy is your badge really shinny:eyebrows:

 

[westcoastrider1982]

Burning coal.....what an archaic, bullshit way to produce electricity in this day and age. But at the end of the day it is the almighty dollar that will determine the outcome of any such industry. Look at the automotive world, we have gone totally backwards with fuel economy with many popular models....funny how an 86 civic use to get better fuel economy than a civic today...yes I know there are exceptions of course.

 

[newatit]

yes, cost is everything, and when people find out what wind energy really costs, all those wonderful windmills are going to come to a grinding halt. They only survive with large government subsidies, another tax cost. we have no idea how much we are really paying for electricity.

 

[Sonny]

yes, cost is everything, and when people find out what wind energy really costs, all those wonderful windmills are going to come to a grinding halt. They only survive with large government subsidies, another tax cost. we have no idea how much we are really paying for electricity.

There are many forms of "cost" that are not directly associated with the productive process. Related health cost, environmental cost, etc. For an extreme read, try Eastern Europe industry under the Soviet Union, where cost and production were all that mattered.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

There are many forms of "cost" that are not directly associated with the productive process. Related health cost, environmental cost, etc. For an extreme read, try Eastern Europe industry under the Soviet Union, where cost and production were all that mattered.

actually, production was all that mattered - they didn't give a shit about cost, as long as the majority of the 'cost' went into the leaders' hidden bank accounts. that's what killed the soviet economy - zero consideration given to real economic factors

but the liberals and socialists of the world will never figure out that any system that is based on anything but real economic considerations is destined to fail - to use the 's' word, it's not 'sustainable'

but i do agree that health and environmental costs are also real economic factors, and must be calculated in to equation of costs for the equation to be factual

 

[sevenofnine]

you know its pretty simple

we are the people we want cheap electicity that is that.
we want cheap gas cheap electricy we only give a shit about health concerns when its in our back yard. and our health

and actually were pretty stupid on top of it.
like the lady who brought her first hybrid car and drove it coast to coast to show it off.
she would have saved more gas to stay at home and hyrids are city cars they get their best gas mileage in the city.

in banff every year they have this big thing were all these holywood types come and show up its some thing for the enviroment they would save the enviornment more to go to vale colorado or some place closer.
al gore the same thing, they did a study of his eco foot print, he was bad.

my personal favorite is david suziki, big enviormentalist.
but has a motor boat and loves to travel around, he has never heard of a sail boat i guess.
he loves sea food, but i guess he has never heard of the endagered fisheries

things will only change when people start shutting there lights off, or park there cars and walk or take transit. or cycle

i cycle by the way, my commute is around fifty k to work and back daily.
i save the enviornment and the health care system
you believe in something you should practice what you preach and don't be stupid about it

 

[Fudd]

Yes burning coal to generate electricity is truly an outdated way. Not only does it cause cancer, destroys the environment but it also puts money in the hands of the imperialist corporate masters.

But other methods also destroy the environment, take a look at what we are doing in this provice, we dam up rivers which floods and destroy land and kills fish.

And dont forget Fukashima, the radiation that leaked out of the plant made the region around the plant completely uninhabitable for generations.

We need to stop destroying our environment when we make eletricity, and the best way to do it is what the Dutch has been doing for centries, use wind mills. Wind mills are the most environmently friendly, economical, reliable and safest ways to go.

 

[sbill]

... Wind mills are the most environmently friendly, economical, reliable and safest ways to go.

Yep, windmills are great.

When they're working
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/19/the-reality-of-wind-turbines-in-california-video/

if you're not a bird
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376543308399048.html

or people living nearby windmill sites:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbines-health.htm

Although, I guess if you were gathering up dead birds from under the windmills and cooking them up, it might put a dent in your predicted future meat shortages.

 

[uncleg]

Yes burning coal to generate electricity is truly an outdated way. Not only does it cause cancer, destroys the environment but it also puts money in the hands of the imperialist corporate masters.

But other methods also destroy the environment, take a look at what we are doing in this provice, we dam up rivers which floods and destroy land and kills fish.

And dont forget Fukashima, the radiation that leaked out of the plant made the region around the plant completely uninhabitable for generations.

We need to stop destroying our environment when we make eletricity, and the best way to do it is what the Dutch has been doing for centries, use wind mills. Wind mills are the most environmently friendly, economical, reliable and safest ways to go.

Moron..............electricity for power as we know it/use it, hasn't been around for centuries and the Dutch used windmills for milling grain, hence the name windmill. Later used for pumping water..........not generating power. Got to love nut jobs like you..........never let truth get in the way of making a point.

 

[kenchorney]

Got to love nut jobs like you..........never let truth get in the way of making a point.

+1, I've yet to see a Fudd post with any sense of reality. Dude lives in his own little world.

 

[bcneil]

This is why I think Fudd is just a troll. He comes on every few months with something silly.
I just don't believe anyone educated in Canada can really believe the Dutch have been producing electricity from wind for hundreds of years.
Even my 90 year old grandma, who knows zip about technology can ballpark when electricity came into use, as she didn't have any as a child where she lived.

 

[bcneil]

Fudd is a dud! :nod:

True dat

In case anyone is wondering the Netherlands currently produce 2-4% of their electricity from wind.
Depending on how windy it is.
If we go back 20 years this amount drops to a fraction of a percent.
They also have some nuclear power just like those horrible Japanese.
With the remainder being fossil fuels including coal.

 

[uncleg]

Fudd is a dud! :nod:

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