Bareback {no condom} sex article

[myselftheother]

See what you just posted? Let me paraphrase, and if I am wrong...sorry. Just trying to understand where you are coming from. You are struggling with being pro bbfs...why are you having an internal debate about it when you already consider it wiser to wear a condom...or not wear one?

With vaginal sex compared to anal, there is more of a chance of a condom failing in anal sex due to types of lube, that there is not enough lube...etc.

 

[myselftheother]

BTW...wasn't there a few more pages to this thread?

 

[AnnaSteel]

After being retired for close to a year now... I still use condoms everytime!!!! Knowing how often my gfs dont use them and have contracted all types or "curable" stds freaks the heck right out of me..... I just hope girls are not doing this for the sake of spreading it around cause you all do "share" the ladies around here... Im just curious as to how many guys would honestly say they have had an accident with a break or a slip...

 

[lenny]

BTW...wasn't there a few more pages to this thread?

I think when logged in you may find there are often fewer pages to a thread than when logged out.
Due to the difference in length of pages?

 

[lenny]

See what you just posted? Let me paraphrase, and if I am wrong...sorry. Just trying to understand where you are coming from. You are struggling with being pro bbfs...why are you having an internal debate about it when you already consider it wiser to wear a condom...or not wear one?

I think it comes down to weighing many factors against each other, when thinking with the big head, although in the "heat of the night"
the "little brother" may take charge and tell you who is boss.

Such factors, for example, would be on the one side the possibilities, chances and odds of pregnancy or STD infections, and the resulting
consequences. OTOH there are the possibilities of these things happening anyway should the condom fail or slip off. And the improved
pleasures and excitement in one's sex life for the rest of your life.

If an individual found CFS was so boring relative to BBFS that he would prefer having sex only once a month BB rather than have it every
day with a rubber, he would probably be safer and practicing safer sex that way. After all, he'd be abstaining 29 days a month. So, you
see, having only bareback sex can be safer than using a condom every time.

Though i'd beware of trying BB sex, if you haven't already. You might find it is, for certain personalities, as addictive as crack.

 

[bcneil]

Did you really mean to say anal sex with a condom is "more risky for hiv" than vaginal sex (bbfs) without a condom?

Or that of the two if one is condomless (or covered) in both cases anal is the more risky?

Re being pro bbfs, that is something i struggle with/debate in my own head, and consider it wiser to do if your partner
has tested negative for stds. If the one you are sexing is such, one may as safe as using covers with an unknown.

Well....yes. Statically speaking of course. Anal sex with condom is MORE risky for transmitting Hiv over BBFS.
This is using statistics. With condom manufactures claimed effectiveness ratings. Most I believe say 97% per use, or sometimes 85% effective over a year. Its easiest to use the 97% as who knows how often they think people have sex in a year. Combined with current medical estimates for Hiv transmission for receiving anal sex, compared to vaginal sex. Which is 10-50 times more likely. If we use these numbers, the two sex acts risks are very close. If we use the figure of 10 times higher transmission anal over vaginal..then anal sex with condom is roughly a third the chance of contracting hiv over vaginal. If we use the 50 times figure. Then anal sex with a condom, is about a 50% greater chance to contract hiv over bbfs.

This is just me using figures provided by the condom manufactures, along with figures from current medical estimates. With some basic second year stats.

But regardless, both acts are very similar in risk, within a magnitude for sure. No matter what methodology or ranges you use.

Currently one is a common offering, the other is considered a deathwish.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Well....yes. Statically speaking of course. Anal sex with condom is MORE risky for transmitting Hiv over BBFS.
This is using statistics. With condom manufactures claimed effectiveness ratings. Most I believe say 97% per use, or sometimes 85% effective over a year. Its easiest to use the 97% as who knows how often they think people have sex in a year. Combined with current medical estimates for Hiv transmission for receiving anal sex, compared to vaginal sex. Which is 10-50 times more likely. If we use these numbers, the two sex acts risks are very close. If we use the figure of 10 times higher transmission anal over vaginal..then anal sex with condom is roughly a third the chance of contracting hiv over vaginal. If we use the 50 times figure. Then anal sex with a condom, is about a 50% greater chance to contract hiv over bbfs.

This is just me using figures provided by the condom manufactures, along with figures from current medical estimates. With some basic second year stats.

But regardless, both acts are very similar in risk, within a magnitude for sure. No matter what methodology or ranges you use.

Currently one is a common offering, the other is considered a deathwish.

well reasoned, neil... i'm impressed! hell, who said you were just a pretty face??? :thumb:

 

[lenny]

Well....yes. Statically speaking of course. Anal sex with condom is MORE risky for transmitting Hiv over BBFS.
This is using statistics. With condom manufactures claimed effectiveness ratings. Most I believe say 97% per use, or sometimes 85% effective over a year. Its easiest to use the 97% as who knows how often they think people have sex in a year. Combined with current medical estimates for Hiv transmission for receiving anal sex, compared to vaginal sex. Which is 10-50 times more likely. If we use these numbers, the two sex acts risks are very close. If we use the figure of 10 times higher transmission anal over vaginal..then anal sex with condom is roughly a third the chance of contracting hiv over vaginal. If we use the 50 times figure. Then anal sex with a condom, is about a 50% greater chance to contract hiv over bbfs.

This is just me using figures provided by the condom manufactures, along with figures from current medical estimates. With some basic second year stats.

But regardless, both acts are very similar in risk, within a magnitude for sure. No matter what methodology or ranges you use.

Currently one is a common offering, the other is considered a deathwish.

I find that very interesting. A quick look at the following link under rates of transmissions also indicates anal being much more risky.

Are there any established views or theories why that is? Tighter hole, hence more friction? Easier to bleed than the pussy? Both?

How is it SP's can commonly offer Greek if it is as risky as BBFS? Are they just not aware of the danger?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

 

[bcneil]

I find that very interesting. A quick look at the following link under rates of transmissions also indicates anal being much more risky.

Are there any established views or theories why that is? Tighter hole, hence more friction? Easier to bleed than the pussy? Both?

How is it SP's can commonly offer Greek if it is as risky as BBFS? Are they just not aware of the danger?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

The Wikipedia report shows receptive anal sex 17 times higher transmission rate over vaginal.
So with that estimate. BBFS would be about twice as dangerous as covered anal for the female.

I think the health nurse is the one to ask about why anal carries a higher transmition rate.
I am simply crunching some stats.

Why do many sps offer covered anal.....yet say bbfs is a no go, no matter what?

No idea, I notice all the time people do things that dont make statistical sense.
The lady who cant afford groceries....buying $10 of superseven each week.

I think this is just a taboo topic. We have been told since the 80s to use condoms.
Many people dont really look into things. Lots of people still think, if you did have bbfs, and the sp did have hiv......well then its almost certain you do too. When in fact its 2000-1 based on those wiki stats...remember thats if the sp has hiv for sure.

If you look at Canadian health stats approx 65000 Canadians are living with hiv. Gay/bisexual men make up a large chunk of this. Over 40% of new hiv cases over the last decade are gay/bisexual men. Leaving roughly 1 in 750 women having hiv.

So again with basic stats. Having bbfs with some random Canadian woman.......3,000,000-1 chance of getting hiv.
Then we get posters saying things like.......Sps are probably safer than random women.....cause they get tested more often, and other reasons.

So safer than 3mil to 1........yet deadly.

 

[Horn_dawg]

I find that very interesting. A quick look at the following link under rates of transmissions also indicates anal being much more risky.

Are there any established views or theories why that is? Tighter hole, hence more friction? Easier to bleed than the pussy? Both?

How is it SP's can commonly offer Greek if it is as risky as BBFS? Are they just not aware of the danger?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

There are many other other forms of STDs that can be transmitted other than HIV. All of these diseases are much easier to transmit than HIV, using condoms significantly reduces the risk of such transmission. Reason enough?

 

[lenny]

There are many other other forms of STDs that can be transmitted other than HIV. All of these diseases are much easier to transmit than HIV, using condoms significantly reduces the risk of such transmission. Reason enough?

Correct me if any of the following is mistaken:

Condoms (assuming they are used properly every time and don't fail) provide little, partial, or no protection against many STDS.

Many STDS either have vaccines or are treatable by meds.

Hep C is very rare to transmit via sex. So i suppose it is not easier to transmit this way than HIV.

Getting vaccinated, regularly checked, being aware of symptoms, and taking one's pills for STI's makes virtually every STI
little to worry about in comparison to HIV. Even HIV is not half the bomb it used to be.


http://www.serolynne.com/poly_std_primer.htm

http://std.about.com/od/diseaseoverviews/Overviews_of_Different_Sexually_Transmitted_Diseases.htm

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Easily-transmitted-STDs/show/245241

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease#Vaccines

 

[lenny]

Well....yes. Statically speaking of course. Anal sex with condom is MORE risky for transmitting Hiv over BBFS.
This is using statistics. With condom manufactures claimed effectiveness ratings. Most I believe say 97% per use, or sometimes 85% effective over a year. Its easiest to use the 97% as who knows how often they think people have sex in a year. Combined with current medical estimates for Hiv transmission for receiving anal sex, compared to vaginal sex. Which is 10-50 times more likely. If we use these numbers, the two sex acts risks are very close. If we use the figure of 10 times higher transmission anal over vaginal..then anal sex with condom is roughly a third the chance of contracting hiv over vaginal. If we use the 50 times figure. Then anal sex with a condom, is about a 50% greater chance to contract hiv over bbfs.

This is just me using figures provided by the condom manufactures, along with figures from current medical estimates. With some basic second year stats.

But regardless, both acts are very similar in risk, within a magnitude for sure. No matter what methodology or ranges you use.

Currently one is a common offering, the other is considered a deathwish.

FWIW, and i`m not sure if the HN agrees or disagrees with you, neil, here is the HN response to the following query re your post above,
to which i provided also the wikipedia link on transmission rates.

"I am curious if protected greek is really a higher risk than BBFS? I have trouble believing this, especially since it has never been mentioned to me at the clinic during my testing."

Hi Vanessa

Thanks for the link to the thread.

I agree with you Vanessa, I find it hard to believe that protected anal sex is a higher risk than unprotected vaginal sex.

For STI other than HIV it makes no sense that unprotected vaginal is safer than protected anal sex.

With HIV transmission we would say that it is easier to pass HIV with receiving unprotected anal sex when compared to receiving unprotected vaginal sex. At the same time we would say that both are high risk activities in that when either activity is done over time with someone who is HIV positive, there is a good chance HIV will be transmitted.

There are also many different factors that can make it easier to get or pass HIV e.g. Is this a new HIV infection, is the person on medication, are other STI present etc… This means that your chance of getting HIV is never the same if you are having sex with different partners. For example you would probably be more at risk for unprotected vaginal if you had sex with someone who had a new HIV infection and their viral load was very high when compared to having unprotected anal intercourse with someone who is taking medication and their viral load is very low.

I would be interested in what the condom manufactures mean in terms of effectiveness. Do they mean how many times a condom breaks or some other measure? We know that condoms provide good protection against HIV when used properly and they do not break.

I would be interested in people’s individual experience with condoms. Do people experience many breakages when they use condoms?

HN

The HN seems to agree that Greek/anal sex is more dangerous than BB sex re HIV, but seems to asking for help re info on condom failure.

Greek with condom risks
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?162739-Greek-with-condom-risks

Requests for Greek
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?162692-Requests-for-Greek

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

I`d suggest the reader compare posts 46, 57 & 59 this thread.

 

[myselftheother]

Uhm so who's up for pitching in a few bucks to get Lenny a 1 way ticket to Thailand (once your there you uhmmm can't come back) and $2000 in his pocket so he can live like a king for a month...

I got a few bucks for the cause.

 

[nickcan]

With my new girlfriend I did a lenny and went bareback.
45 minutes of penetration and couldn't climax until I took the condom off.
Even with the new "bare" non-latex condoms the feeling just isn't the same as bareback.
Would I do this with a SP? Hell no!

 

[Jalapeno]

Where's the Like button? I'm with nickan, raw dogging new gfs is the best, but never with SPs. Too much traffic!

 

[lenny]

I'd feel much safer with an SP who only goes BB with me, sees few clients, has just tested negative for STDs & can't have kids,
than a bar slut or GF who can't keep it zipped up, is an unknown re diseases & could easily get pregnant.

 

[luvsdaty]

I'd feel safer with an SP who only goes BB with me, has just tested negative for STDs & can't have kids,
than a bar slut or GF who can't keep it zipped up, is an unknown re diseases & could easily get pregnant.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha only goes bb with youound:ound:ound:ound:

 

[lenny]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha only goes bb with youound:ound:ound:ound:

So you don't believe that any SP's exist that have BBFS with only one person on a regular basis?

Compare that to a bar slut or GF who is known to sleep around with many others without a condom.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

I'd feel much safer with an SP who only goes BB with me...

And you know this (with certainty) how...? I can't believe you even said this...but I see I'm not alone! I wonder how many of you think that you're the ONLY ONE!

Anyway, reading this thread is exhausting...I'm glad I have better things to do with my day...ttfn

 

[PlayfulAlex]

And you guys know 100% beyond the shadow of any doubt your girlfriend isn't leading a double-life as an escort somewhere else? God this is rich!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I'm sure you just said what a lot of people were thinking! Touché!

Oops, apparently, I didn't have anything better to do with my day after all...like a moth drawn to a flame!