A call from my clients' wife ...today ...my heart hurts

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mistressfreyja

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I have nothing to comment outside of the fact that I HAVE been in this situation, and chose to react differently. I felt that my loyalty lay to the client, and feel that acting in such a way is crucial to my being an SP.

That said, i do not wish to condemn JPR, nor pat her on the back. She made a judgment call that she felt was necessary for her, and continues to stand by her own decision, so, so be it. We simply would have handled things very differently put in the same situation. That makes her nor my way right or wrong.

Other than that, Lenny, you are completely speculating on the SO's 'health condition' being death related. When I talked to JPR, it was nothing to do with death, AIDS, STD, etc. It had to do with a personal matter between the couple regarding nobody else. In fact, something completely unrelated to JPR, outside of something that pulled on her moral compass.

Speculation is getting us nowhere. We have all made our own conclusions on this matter, but this is an incorrect conclusion that Lenny has arrived at.

This is all I wish to say on this matter, and i look forward to seeing it closed.

Considering, in this very special case, the guy caused himself to be busted, his SO knows where Jessica works, the SO said she may be dying, so may have nothing to lose by hiring a PI to find out everything about her and destroy her, or getting a weapon and using it, it would seem that the SO is probably the more potentially dangerous of the two. So it seems that a reasonable case can be made that the SP has some justification in trying to appease her, just on this point alone. Furthermore, Jessica knew the client as a regular, so had an idea of what the guy is like, apparently quite a nice person from everything she's said about him here.
 

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I know I had said I would not reply any further on this thread, but I just can't sit here and read all this nonsense without making a couple more observations.

My heart hurts and I don’t know what to do.

I answered my phone this morning and knew right away that I was on the line with a clients wife …”This is going to sound weird but who am I talking to? I know I called you but who is this?”

Sigh

One of my clients wives, pain and sadness in her voice, a touch of strength that amazed me and the sound of confusion. “I’ve found your number and a photo of you on my husbands phone and I’m wanting to ask you some questions but I understand if you won’t talk to me”.

There was no question in the Bunny’sHeart. I needed to answer her questions.
Here in Jessica's ORIGINAL post she states that the wife called her and ASKED who she was like so, "This is going to sound weird but who am I talking to? I know I called you but who is this?”

In later posts she claims that the wife ALREADY knew her name and was looking at her website, I don't know for the life of me why the wife would have had to ASK JPR's name if she already knew it. Just from this ONE simple thing you can see that Jessica has modified her story over the course of this thread. Why she has done this, I am not going to speculate. I am only presenting the fact that she has indeed changed her story.

Later on (I believe page 13) she says that she was woken from a slumber and that the wife already knew who she was, as evidenced by this post,

Again. The call opened with me attempting to find my bearings in the dark, stumbling with my slippery Iphone not quite able to open my eyes fully and by the time I had uprighted myself in my bed I already had a wealth of information. It does not take long to communicate something if one is prepared and she seemed prepared.

How did she KNOW it was me? Vanessa dear ...SHE DIALED A PHONE NUMBER WHICH SHE FOUND ON HER HUSBANDS PHONE AND THE NUMBER MATCHES WHAT APPEARS ON MY WEBSITE. SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS LOOKING AT MY WEBSITE. IN ADDITION TO THAT SHE SAID SHE COULD SEE A PHOTO OF ME ATTACHED TO MY PHONE NUMBER ON HIS PHONE ...WHICH MATCHES MY PHONE NUMBER ON MY WEBSITE ...WHICH SHE JUST DIALED AND LIKELY HAD APPEARING ON HER PHONE SCREEN ...AND I ANSWERED! Good Lord woman, put this together would you please so I need not repeat myself again?

I hope that answers your question, because THAT is "how the frigg she knew it was me she was speaking to". This is not Rocket Science Vanessa. This was not a Calculus formula Vanessa. It was 3 (THREE) pieces of exact information that she had to put together. THREE not Three hundred. Holy Crap. I've said she sounded intelligent but I didn't think it would be confusing to you Vanessa, a "mature woman who has presented herself well".

I'm not angry with you Vanessa but I can not for the life of me understand why you A) have not read all of the information but insist on stating what you think might be correct or B) refuse to acknowledge the truths as I am laying them down.

So Vanessa ...I ask you ... "do you understand what I'm saying?"

and please before you ask another question that I have already answered ...HE DIDN'T TAKE A PHOTO OF ME. The photo is one from my website which can be right clicked and saved and transferred ....
In the original post, Jessica states that the Wife ASKED her for her name, then a few pages later, she says that the wife already knew her name and was looking at her website. Well which is it? Did she ask you for your name or did she already have it? These two posts seem to contradict each other.

Then we come to the part in the original post where the wife said, “I’ve found your number and a photo of you on my husbands phone and I’m wanting to ask you some questions but I understand if you won’t talk to me”.

At this point in the original post, it appears that no other information had been passed and JPR was given an easy way out. The wife says she understands if JPR doesn't want to talk to her. JPR made the conscious choice to go on for 20 minutes spilling the beans, answering the wife's questions. Why not say something as simple as, "You will have to discuss that with your husband" or "I am sorry but I don't want to talk"

JPR had also asked for advice about this situation BASED on that initial thread. When most people said that she should not have talked, JPR went on the defensive and started adding in details to the story. If you wanted advice, why do you argue against it? When it was told that there is an unwritten rule that a SP doesn't talk to SO's you asked where these rules were written. Why not just take the advice? Instead you had to keep defending actions that most people here on perb disagree with. when told to be discrete, you found every dictionary definition BUT the one that was most applicable. It almost seems like your intention was to start a fiery debate and then go screaming to the mods to get some people banned from this board.


And finally to Lenny, all I can say is this. If a person has to change their story as much as JPR has, there are bound to be lies in there and you cannot entirely believe what that person has said.

What we can be fairly certain of:

1) JPR received a call from a wife.
2) JPR talked for 20 minutes with said wife.

We cannot be certain at all about what was talked about or the circumstances of how much information the wife really knew.

One conclusion that I have drawn : This issue would have been a whole lot simpler if JPR had taken the out from the wife and not talked to her.
 

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I havent been on here for a long time and hate stupid posts, which is why I feel to call bullsh*t. The entire post looks fictional. The user that was "outed" has only been posting about Jessica. The user hasnt been on here to defend themself. Has ANYONE on here seen this person other then Jessica? I doubt it. The client has the same writting style of her as well. After looking up the user and Jessica as well as some of the other people that have been giving her good reviews, I am thinking we have a troll on here that is using multiple usernames.

Im calling on the MODERATORS to do an IP search on many of the users that have been reviewing her as well at her ip to be cross reference them to see if they are using the same ones. In perticular Digger33e and other clients that have been buiding/defending her.

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Here in Jessica's ORIGINAL post she states that the wife called her and ASKED who she was like so, "This is going to sound weird but who am I talking to? I know I called you but who is this?”

In later posts she claims that the wife ALREADY knew her name and was looking at her website, I don't know for the life of me why the wife would have had to ASK JPR's name if she already knew it.
So DK, im guess you have never made a phone call to someone you have never spoken to and thus never asked who you were talking too?
A few of these ladies have receptionists who take their calls, so it would only seem logical to ask who it was that answered the phone.
If i get a missed call on a number I dont recognize, when I call back, first thing I ask is..."Hey, who is this?"

Alinburnaby, some people's memory can get more detailed in time. Like mine.

We cannot be certain at all about what was talked about or the circumstances of how much information the wife really knew
Bravo, you finally got it. We DONT know the details to make any kind of judgement call. All we know from the first post are very general facts of what happened.
If we knew EVERY detail of that phone call and what led up to it, then and only then are we fully able to pass judgement.
 

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Other than that, Lenny, you are completely speculating on the SO's 'health condition' being death related. When I talked to JPR, it was nothing to do with death, AIDS, STD, etc. It had to do with a personal matter between the couple regarding nobody else. In fact, something completely unrelated to JPR, outside of something that pulled on her moral compass.
Granted the following comment of Jessica's need not be speaking of a "life and death"
health issue for the wife of the client.

From post # 314:


Her opening moments included the revelation of a medical situation which is currently, and has been for four months, upon this couple. I’m not talking about a lady who is dealing just with finding out her husband has been unfaithful but a lady with a matter of life and death on her hands.
In any case i still stand by my view stated previously, with the following revision
excluding the portion regarding the wife's health, the main points being that the
caller knew where Jessica works & was a greater potential threat to her personal
safety than the client.


Considering, in this very special case:

1. the client caused himself to be busted, so should bear no ill will against Jessica.

2. his SO may hold JPR responsible for destroying her marriage.

3. the SO knows where Jessica works, so it would have been normal for JPR to want
to protect herself and appease this woman.

4. the client was a regular so she had an idea of what the guy is like, apparently
quite a nice person from everything she's said about him here in this topic.

Consequently, the SO was the greater danger of the two to JPR, so more likely to a. come
to her place of work and cause problems, b. hire a PI to find out everything about her to
ruin her life, c. get a weapon and use it.

Therefore, it seems that a reasonable case can be made that the SP has some justification/
reasonable cause in speaking to and trying to appease the SO, just on this point alone.




She told me she knew who I was and where I worked. I did not need to question this because she was telling me correct information. ..hang up on her? REALLY? She’s got my address, knows what I look like and I’m supposed to assume the big brave bold move of hanging up will deter future attempts for her to reach me.

As ‘A Shy Guy ‘ brilliantly pointed out earlier in this thread a majority of the ladies who are convinced I did the wrong thing do not advertise publically their location. Google their number you will not get the same information. The risk of a lady in a studio is not comparable. I choose to be there and I accept the risk, which is why the decision I made was the BEST I could.

So what did we talk about for 20 minutes? Not about the high quality blowjob I love to give, not the sex, not the naked …NOTHING IN REGARDS TO OUR ACTIVITIES. She already knew …Get it?
 

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Thank gawd this thread is going to be closed ...

Again I will say she did not know 100% it was the OP ....unless his wife was standing right in front of the OP or the OP was on web cam ....so what if she saw the pics and website ...did she physically see the OP ...the answer to that is NO ....

"I knew it was a call from my clients wife" ......The OP is a "smart" woman which is why she started this thread ...you could of said sorry you have the wrong number ....BEFORE those that disagree jump all over me that would of given her time to think ..The OP stated that she could FEEL the callers pain and sadness the OP could feel a touch of strength and the sound of confusion " If the OP can feel/sense all that while being groggy ...holy smokes imagine if they where on the ball...

There have been posts that have been deleted which shows a little bit more about the OP disposition ....I suppose that because it has nothing to do with the phone call which is what this thread is about.. it does however give insight to the OP "said" disposition...after all is it not the online disposition/persona that attracts you.... there is always more to the story ...

From my understanding the OP works in a safe environment (meaning they are not alone at work or work out of their home ) I do not think that when a woman calls their place of bizz they disclose any information and in fact DO know how to handle this type of situation... The OP could have reached out to some of the woman on the board I know she has met a few and said hey I just got a call from who I THINK is a REG sig other ....what should I do ....

A couple things have been agreed upon

1) guys be more careful ...cover your tracks ...there is more than just you involved when you get busted ....my goodness I think about how one little thing trickles into a massive sad turn events and many many people are affected...


2)Not everyone feels the same about the "code of ethics" in this industry although I would say the vast majority of woman/men "get it" I am a very caring ...kind ...honest...compassionate , sensitive woman and I think that is present when I meet ...I also believe in the "code of ethics"..For those who feel they should go with their heart perhaps a different profession/hobby is in order ....AGAIN before those who disagree jump all over me I would assume that OVER the vast majority on this board would feel better knowing discretion is assured married or not ...we ALL have personal lives ...

3)The only positive thing about this thread is to remind us of that and bring it fore front and understanding that there IS a code of ethics in this situation and if you are thinking about entering this wonderful career reach out to one of the many wonderful woman on this board and ask ....

That being said I am off to finish packing for my trip back home to Vancouver ....Everybody have an awesome day (Insert Spermies rainbow here)
Vanessa Kelly
 
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There is a very big difference between having someone at the front door (receptionist), perhaps security members (big lugs), and other women across the hall that will hear you scream.....and an Indy who requires references, good gut instinct, ability to diffuse a bad situation, and a safecall. Lenny, don't be mistaken. Just because I don't advertise my address, I do not have the safety of being at an MP.

As for VK, can't wait to see you, and spend some quality time with you! The vast majority of people on this site appreciate your input to this board and industry.

Rainbows and hugs, and carebear stuff....

It's Wednesday....and this thread is soon DONE!

Thank gawd this thread is going to be closed ...

From my understanding the OP works in a safe environment (meaning they are not alone at work or work out of their home ) ....AGAIN before those who disagree jump all over me I would assume that OVER the vast majority on this board would feel better knowing discretion is assured married or not ...we ALL have personal lives ...

That being said I am off to finish packing for my trip back home to Vancouver ....Everybody have an awesome day (Insert Spermies rainbow here)
Vanessa Kelly
 
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Thread closed.
It's one thing when members post their opinion for or against a particular point of view.
Once it starts getting personal (as this hobby and industry has been been known to become) - members are out of line.
When personal discussions, contents of PM's revealed or name calling are brought in to the mix, Perb rights and posting priviledges are taken away.

We've started issuing infractions and bans.
 
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