Should BBBJ's be Included in a Standard GFE Session?

[PhoneGirl]

To answer your question again...SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

And you do mislead your clients. A business communicates using terminology in a way that a market understands it to be. It does not change the meaning simply to suit its needs from business to business.

Do so at your own risk, and the bad reviews and reputation will follow. Up to you.

These are your expectations only, huggzy. Not representative of the entire client population.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Because you get countless SP's who won't "tell details over the phone" and you have to show up in person. Or you get SP's when you ask these questions who get all angry, upset and lecture you (a la Phone Girl or Te Amo Escorts) when you call. Who wants to deal with that shit? No one...but the guys are forced to do this and it can be quite unpleasant.

I am an absolute pushover when I'm with a provider who communicates very clearly and provides what they promise - and am a joy to be around with these women. I am hostile and contemptuous and am anything but a pushover when I'm dealing with people who aren't. I'm guessing that you fall into the latter category.

I'm not interested in reading reviews on a board that are so often influenced and manipulated by the SPs themselves - I don't trust them. One of the reasons that they are ambigious in many cases is because of the liberal use of the term GFE.

Why won't you use the term "Safe GFE" Pillowtalk, when 66% of the respondents on this poll, and the pooners on this board, keep insisting that you should not use the term GFE if you don't provide bbbj?

Why don't you stop trying to dictate what people have to do or not do?

Why don't YOU just say what you are looking for, wait for the yes or no, and go from there. No one cares about what a term (like GFE) is supposed to include or not, they really only want to know which acronyms are provided. If she cannot list them off, MOVE ON. Ridiculous argument and accusations you fling out, asswipe.

Why don't YOU just move on if an sp won't discuss services. If she won't discuss them, any newbie will tell you she doesn"t provide the ones you are looking for. If you bothered to read any reviews on here, instead of dismissing them, you would learn alot of things.

 

[Pillowtalk]

To answer your question again...SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

And you do mislead your clients. A business communicates using terminology in a way that a market understands it to be. It does not change the meaning simply to suit its needs from business to business.

Do so at your own risk, and the bad reviews and reputation will follow. Up to you.

And a smarter consumer would just ask, item by item.

 

[huggzy]

These are your expectations only, huggzy. Not representative of the entire client population.

If the poll is an indicator, its 66% of your client population. Trust me...its been this way forever.

 

[huggzy]

Thank you, I am so enlightened now! lol

You should be. Sometimes the very young ladies who populate this board forget that there are guys who have been participating in this industry for decades, whereas you get these snot-nosed kids who've done this for two or three years and think they know everything.

 

[Pillowtalk]

You should be. Sometimes the very young ladies who populate this board forget that there are guys who have been participating in this industry for decades, whereas you get these snot-nosed kids who've done this for two or three years and think they know everything.

Then for anyone who has been in this for decades, you more than anyone knows full well that bbbjs and the whole term of GFE is really really new. The younguns grew up with terms and acronyms, but the longer you've been around you know that higher end escorts never ever did anything uncovered or extra, and kissing/daty was pretty much unheard of. Unheard of, because any sp who was known to do it would be shunned by the others. There are still a lot of the sps who started out in business this way who may come back to it today and are pretty freaked out by these newfangled notions.

To expect or demand these services at all seems odd from someone who has been around for awhile.

 

[huggzy]

Actually I'd like to point something out here..
Huggzy babe, I'm not sure if this has occured to you yet but your statement is a little "misleading" considering perb is an uneven ratio of client/sp members. So of course the poll is going to rise in favor of the higher demographic.

It doesnt change the fact that BBBJ is absolutely not and never will be considered "STANDARD GFE" to a high caliber SP who respects her health as well as takes her other clients health into consideration. As an sp you should never have to compramise your safety to have a wonderfuly intimate experience or feel degraded or pressured into doing so.

The "higher demographic" is your paying clientelle.

Call it a Safe GFE and you won't run into problems and you always have happy clients. Why do you idiots fight that so much unless you know not doing so intentionally leads clients to your establishment when they otherwise would not?

 

[huggzy]

Then for anyone who has been in this for decades, you more than anyone knows full well that bbbjs and the whole term of GFE is really really new. The younguns grew up with terms and acronyms, but the longer you've been around you know that higher end escorts never ever did anything uncovered or extra, and kissing/daty was pretty much unheard of. Unheard of, because any sp who was known to do it would be shunned by the others. There are still a lot of the sps who started out in business this way who may come back to it today and are pretty freaked out by these newfangled notions.

To expect or demand these services at all seems odd from someone who has been around for awhile.

The term "girlfriend experience" has been around a lot longer then the existence of this board which started in 2000. And the whole "safe sex" movement was a movement in the 1990's darlin' - prior to that the idea of getting a blow job with a condom wasn't even contemplated.

Again...NO ONE IS TELLING YOU TO PERFORM AN ACT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO. But why do you refuse to make clear when describing your service so that you don't get into these arguments to begin with? You know you have clients who get confused by this, DON'T YOU?

Just don't call

 

[huggzy]

Which is yet ANOTHER reason to NOT offer bareback service lol !

No one is saying that you have to offer it. Is there something about this statement that you don't understand?

 

[Pillowtalk]

The "higher demographic" is your paying clientelle.

Call it a Safe GFE and you won't run into problems and you always have happy clients. Why do you idiots fight that so much unless you know not doing so intentionally leads clients to your establishment when they otherwise would not?

Because only an idiot thinks that an encompassing term like safe GFE automatically includes a very specific and predetermined list of services. A smart shopper makes sure the items they are looking for are on the sps list, regardless of the use or lack of use of the GFE. GFE will continue to also refer to the style, to make it different from non-fs, FS only, and PSE. Beyond that, it is up to the consumer to make sure that whatever acronyms he requires is something she does. Safe GFE, after all, may or may not include dfk. It might be lfk or no kissing. Safe GFE may or may not include daty and/or digits. Lack of daty would make you think it cannot be GFE (safe or not), but because she does do cbjs, and she does do dfk, then it is. If you are looking for daty, as a deal breaker, then you are an idiot if you assume the term SafeGFE autmatically assumes it is included.

Look for a list. Most websites have them, most advertisements include them. If they don't most sps will provide with your enquiry. If you cannot be bothered to enquire, then look for an ad or a site that LISTS ALL THE ITEMS you require. It is not rocket science. You would think by this time you would understand how the ads and sites are set up, and they are NOT set up by having a nationwide agreement to determine the definitions of GFE, safeGFE and PSE......

 

[huggzy]

I find your assumption of me offending. I've not made any cracks at your age or disposition yet you seem to think it's reasonable to do so towards me? Is my opinion not valid because I am not ancient?

You show your age when you ask "since when" do pooners refer to GFE as including bbbj.

 

[huggzy]

Though I do agree that perb is a wonderful place to advertise/promote and is valuable even more so for the reviews as a real life testimonial. It is only a percentage of my over-all client base. Any smart individual (client) will read what they want, research, make their own assumptions and take action how they deem appropriate.
Not everyone wants to swap spit with a girl who just gargled balls and sperm half an hour before they showed up
Have I made myself clear?


Cheers Huggzy.

Why won't you call the service a Safe GFE and save your clients (and yourselves) all the headaches?

 

[storm rider]

I am not going to quote anyone as I think the actual poll results speak for themselves....66% feel that BBBJ should be standard....and the risks of BBBJ are pretty minimal.

I have been involved in this pastime for over 2 years and my predominant fun has been spent at Sugarland....where I very much enjoy BBBJ both in the warm up shower and during the main event.....during this time I have never caught any STD's

I do realize that some SP's dont like to do BBBJ's as they have encountered some clients who shall we say are less hygenic than others (you know who I am talking about gals LOL)

Simply put....if a gal does not wish to provide this service at all then so be it....guys that want this should not see that gal.....if a gal will provide this service and wants to upcharge for it....with the PSE title...then that is BS pure and simple.....same as if a gal enjoys GREEK but upcharges for it is BS.....if she likes it why does she charge extra?

SR

 

[huggzy]

Because only an idiot thinks that an encompassing term like safe GFE automatically includes a very specific and predetermined list of services. A smart shopper makes sure the items they are looking for are on the sps list, regardless of the use or lack of use of the GFE. GFE will continue to also refer to the style, to make it different from non-fs, FS only, and PSE. Beyond that, it is up to the consumer to make sure that whatever acronyms he requires is something she does. Safe GFE, after all, may or may not include dfk. It might be lfk or no kissing. Safe GFE may or may not include daty and/or digits. Lack of daty would make you think it cannot be GFE (safe or not), but because she does do cbjs, and she does do dfk, then it is. If you are looking for daty, as a deal breaker, then you are an idiot if you assume the term SafeGFE autmatically assumes it is included.

Look for a list. Most websites have them, most advertisements include them. If they don't most sps will provide with your enquiry. If you cannot be bothered to enquire, then look for an ad or a site that LISTS ALL THE ITEMS you require. It is not rocket science. You would think by this time you would understand how the ads and sites are set up, and they are NOT set up by having a nationwide agreement to determine the definitions of GFE, safeGFE and PSE......

For god's sakes - do you think we're talking about the sp's that give a complete and detailed shopping list? Of course not.

But you don't acknowledge that there are many sps, most particularly those with agencies, that do everything they can to avoid addressing whether they cater to that specific service or not until the client is in their room. Those lists very often never address this service - they don't list it as a provision or a restriction, and they don't speak about it on the phone.

 

[HubbaHubba]

No problem. I would think that your reality must be a little depressing and downright sobering.

Since you mentioned it you'r absolutely right. I'm just glad I have you to share my feelings with now...I feel a closeness developing between us.

 

[storm rider]

Because its HER body she is selling and who are you to question anything beyond that fact?
If you dont like it then don't buy it. Are you serious?

You obviously missed the last pargraph in my post.

SR

 

[sonoman]

if a gal enjoys GREEK but upcharges for it is BS.....if she likes it why does she charge extra?

Ridiculous statement. If an SP enjoys sex (and presumably most do), should she offer it for free?

(btw, you don't particularly want to be doing greek with a girl who doesn't enjoy it to begin with.)

 

[storm rider]

Ridiculous statement. If an SP enjoys sex (and presumably most do), should she offer it for free?

(btw, you don't particularly want to be doing greek with a girl who doesn't enjoy it to begin with.)

I have only done GREEK with 1 gal....she mentioned in a previous session that she liked it....I asked for it on the fly during the next session and she said "go for it tiger".....and I did not get told it would cost X amount of money more for it.....she was into it and liked it....and did not upcharge for it.

And no Sonoman....I obviously dont expect free sex from SP's that actually enjoy sex.....for actually suggesting something that stupid on an escort review forum you should be whacked upside the head with a burlap bag of hockey pucks.

SR

 

[sonoman]

I obviously dont expect free sex from SP's that actually enjoy sex.....for actually suggesting something that stupid on an escort review forum you should be whacked upside the head with a burlap bag of hockey pucks.

It was a sarcastic/rhetorical question, hence the '' in my post.

you should be nicer to Sonoman. He's a nice guy

Thanks, whoever you are.

 

[lenny]

Actually there have been testing on this group, and compared to the general population. You should research this, before you jump into any assumptions. Just as the research is out there regarding the stats on the DTES SWs. The possibility of stds is less about the fact they do sex work, and more about everything else in their lifestyle. A common reason for being DTES SWs is iv drug use, and a typical iv drug user is more likely to have HIV (or something less life threatening like Hep C) than the general population. And sps at what could be best described as a higher level are less likely to have stds (and more likey to have safer sex practises) than the general population. I think it is a study out of the Netherlands, but there is all kinds of info. Even on this site.

And if you are really truly confused by it all, rather than just make things up that fit your preferences, why not either visit the Health forum here where others have asked questions and gotten answers, or pose a specific question yourself.

Thanks for the suggestions and your opinion. I remain openminded about the subject.

And for the record, no one suggested you should put a condom on your tongue in order to dfk. The suggestion was to not do dfk or any kind of K at all.

The condom idea was mine since the lady said all her girls services are covered,
and LFK was listed as something they do. I don't recall her referring to DFK.

Negative for what tho?

Negative/non reactive for all the STD tests they will give you at a health clinic.

If you are under the mistaken belieft that HIV/AIDs is the sole motivation for avoiding unsafe sexual activities, then you need to get your head screwed on straight and actually listen (read) what is actually being said. Typical SWs don't kiss or daty or do anything much that has become pretty common indoors. I think there are some who would be pretty shocked by the idea of kissing a date.

IME in the DTES i'd say about 90% of SW's agree to kiss me. Maybe it's because
they think i look like Brad Pitt, eh? ;

I think that you take advantage of some of these SWs by indicating to them that they won't have to do anything else, will be paid for a longer time, and won't have to hustle for a few hours to make the same dough. It is one thing to make the offer to a 200/hr sp who already provides these kinds of services, but for SWs who don't it just gives me the creeps that you dangle this carrot in front of them and have them sit up and beg for it.

You have quite an imagination there.

Actually they seem to love the purely kissing dates, as in Thailand
they do with the exclusively cuddling sessions i sometimes like to do.
{The latter, BTW, was the type of engagements i had with Julia/Adrianna,
who was a PERB lady in red {advertiser} at the time.} Several of the
SW's expressed that the kissing only meetings were a welcome break for
them from the usual, and they seemed to genuinely enjoy themselves. A
few also got a bit giggily or said they hadn't kissed anyone in years.

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