Should BBBJ's be Included in a Standard GFE Session?

[lenny]

Lenny, you sometimes stumble onto the verge of a few good points, then derail. Don't think for a second that nothing bad can happen.

Clearly i don't think that since in the post to which you replied i spoke of two bad things that happened to me.

BTW, I've also searched online the subject of HIV related to kissing, and feel quite safe in that regard.

But if you have something useful or constructive to say in this vein, feel free to make a contribution to the discussion. Your naked word without any elaboration or documentation fails to enlighten or inspire my confidence.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Clearly i don't think that since in the post to which you replied i spoke of two bad things that happened to me.

BTW, I've also searched online the subject of HIV related to kissing, and feel quite safe in that regard.

But if you have something useful or constructive to say in this vein, feel free to make a contribution to the discussion. Your naked word without any elaboration or documentation fails to enlighten or inspire my confidence.

HIV is only one of a dozen things that can go wrong.

And yes, to the client (you) the risks are lower, but that is not true for the sp. And the sp who provides the sort of extreme services you require is the one who does it for many (especially the lower rate SWs).

I don't think the presence or absence of visible sores on the mouth is going to save you lol.

 

[tontos]

if you could take a secret poll no names (even phony ones) I bet the poll #s would look more like 50 to 60% just saying!

 

[PhoneGirl]

That's pretty stupid logic to think that because you've never caught anything from a sex worker that everytime is going to be ok, it just takes ONE time to contract an STD. Also the fact that you base the please you gain from the unsafe services you prefer outweighs the notion that you can catch an STD isn't the greatest logic either.
You can't convince me otherwise, and don't patronize me by saying "cheeks, butt, etc" What I typed was that the exchange of bodily fluids with a sex worker is generally a bad idea.
As the saying goes, don't judge a book by it's cover, don't just a sex worker by the impression of no sores on her mouth. Many stds have no visible symptoms.
And lets be honest Lenny, if you're paying women for sex and sexual services, I highly doubt you're kissing that many people that you aren't handing cash over to in exchange for their time and companionship. If you are, I pity them, because based from your input in these threads it appears that you glady recieve bareback blowjobs from thai sex trade workers and make out with street walkers, are you that ignorant to put anyone else who is intimate with you at risk as well because of your unsafe sex practices?

Your input has taught me/convinced me of nothing but other than to never book a call with a client named Lenny, lol.

 

[huggzy]

BBBJ is like playing russian roulette with STD's. To put it blunty, it's bloody stupid. I have said if before and I will say it again, find an SP that respects her CLIENTS and HERSELF to protect both parties involved.
It's like driving drunk, it may seem like a good idea at the time but think of the huge risk you're putting to yourself and everybody else on the road.
If you are going to see a sex worker, always try to minimize the amount of bodily fluids exchanged, use condoms, limit kissing, use a dental dam for DATY. It's your life, it's not worth gambling your personal health for a quick thrill.
'nuff said.

You exaggerate the risks due to your own ignorance. That's ok...just tell everyone which agency you work for and those guys seeking this service will steer clear of your agency because you don't offer a GFE. Win-win for everyone.

 

[huggzy]

if you could take a secret poll no names (even phony ones) I bet the poll #s would look more like 50 to 60% just saying!

Why would the poll change? 66% percent agree that bbbj is included in the definition of gfe...why would it go down if the poll was "secret" (although I thought this poll was secret, unless I"m missing something)

You're in the minority.

 

[Pillowtalk]

You exaggerate the risks due to your own ignorance. That's ok...just tell everyone which agency you work for and those guys seeking this service will steer clear of your agency because you don't offer a GFE. Win-win for everyone.

You have some actual medical evidence to back that up? I think most of us are able to visit the Health forum here. Have you?

 

[huggzy]

You have some actual medical evidence to back that up? I think most of us are able to visit the Health forum here. Have you?

Medical evidence to prove that it isn't as risky as "Russian Roulette"??? Well, if you need evidence I'm pretty sure that if I wanted to be bothered I could find evidence that I won't die once out of every six times I get a bbbj.

Idiot.

If you don't want to provide a GFE then don't do it. We can respect that your risk tolerance isn't the same as some other providers and pooners. Just fuck off trying to impose upon us as your marketplace what we can seek or not seek. And don't mislead us with your advertising when you know that your clients clearly assert (as supported by this poll, never mind the countless other arguments) that a GFE should include bbbj, and that if you don't offer a bbbj then call it a SAFE GFE.

Why the hell are you so opposed to just calling it a SAFE GFE so that your clients aren't confused? Does it make it harder for you to rip off your clients by being this clear?

 

[PhoneGirl]

My girls offer all their services covered, whether you like it or not. We consider GFE to be a girl who is warm, inviting, treats her clients as a long lost friend, LFK, daty, msog, accompanied showers, massage, non-rushed, etc. Let's be realistic though, the SP is NOT in a romantic relationship with you, you are a client. No matter how much money you're paying her, she's not your girlfriend, she's a sex worker, she treats all her clients the same.
Don't lose sight of whats acutally at stake. It's your HEALTH.
You should respect yourself enough to protect yourself and so should the SP. It is a fantasy that the girl provides, not reality.
Why don't you post your full name and contact phone number so that I can screen all your calls from the agency and blacklist you as a bbbj client? It goes both ways, and i'm obviously not going to post which agency I work for, I think because i'm not a paid advertiser it goes against PERBS rules and i'm not an idiot, if I don't trust you I don't want you knowing where I work.
It's a preference, if you want to put yourself at risk, go get all the bbbjs you want till the cows come home. You can't convince me otherwise that it's a good idea, no matter "how good it feels".
I'm not ignorant because I refuse to advocate BBBJS, you're ignorant because you refuse to wrap your wang and admit the fact that you could potentially be putting your life at stake.

 

[rexxx]

And yet you have no problem with daty?

 

[HubbaHubba]

And yet you have no problem with daty?

Yeah I never quite understood why that would be ok. To be honest this really is a tired old debate anyways.

 

[jdtipper]

And yet you have no problem with daty?

Aha, I love it.
Girls dont want to touch an uncovered peter because its unsafe, yet are willing to let someone give their moneymaker a good ol tongue bath!! Thats all kinds of smart right there.

I also like how everyone is so concerned about sex workers being so "dirty". Yet last time I heard, universities and colleges have about 60% STI among those that attend.

Lets see, pick up some little tramp at a bar whose most likely drunk but free (give or take a few shooters). Or see someone whose job deals with sex and are usually sober at the time. Hmmm drunk little slut that just wants to fuck or a sex worker who is knowledgeable about STIs

 

[HubbaHubba]

Lets see, pick up some little tramp at a bar whose most likely drunk but free (give or take a few shooters). Or see someone whose job deals with sex and are usually sober at the time. Hmmm drunk little slut that just wants to fuck or a sex worker who is knowledgeable about STIs

so because a girl wants sex she's a little tramp or a slut? grow up a lil.

 

[PhoneGirl]

DATY with a dental dam, smarty pants

 

[lenny]

That's pretty stupid logic to think that because you've never caught anything from a sex worker that everytime is going to be ok, it just takes ONE time to contract an STD. Also the fact that you base the please you gain from the unsafe services you prefer outweighs the notion that you can catch an STD isn't the greatest logic either.

Yeah, so it's a good thing i didn't say anything like that.
Sorry you jumped to some erroneous conclusions.

You can't convince me otherwise, and don't patronize me by saying "cheeks, butt, etc" What I typed was that the exchange of bodily fluids with a sex worker is generally a bad idea.

Huh? You never had a client ask you about how your girls "limit kissing" {your words},
or where they can kiss or be kissed? What you actually said was:

"If you are going to see a sex worker, always try to minimize the amount of bodily fluids exchanged, use condoms, limit kissing, use a dental dam for DATY. It's your life, it's not worth gambling your personal health for a quick thrill."

Talking about "limiting kissing" is quite different than avoiding it altogether.
In a subsequent post you state:

"My girls offer all their services covered, whether you like it or not. We consider GFE to be a girl who is warm, inviting, treats her clients as a long lost friend, LFK, daty, msog, accompanied showers, massage, non-rushed, etc."

I wonder how LFK is "minimizing the amount of bodily fluids exchanged".
It would seem that closed mouth kissing would do that much better than
slobbering with the other person's wet tongue. I've come across even
low track SWs who refuse to kiss at all, or only with a closed mouth.


Is it really that your girls "offer all their services covered"? Then
LFK by your girls requires a condom on her tongue and/or the clients?
BTW I actually had a lady in Thailand do this once for balls licking.
But somehow i doubt your business uses a condom for LFK, in which case
your girls are "gambling (with their) personal health" {your words}.

As the saying goes, don't judge a book by it's cover, don't just a sex worker by the impression of no sores on her mouth. Many stds have no visible symptoms.

Thanks, i knew that. I still don't want to kiss sore mouthed SP's and
am probably better off going with the better looking ones anyway,
both healthwise & for my smooching enjoyment.

And lets be honest Lenny, if you're paying women for sex and sexual services, I highly doubt you're kissing that many people that you aren't handing cash over to in exchange for their time and companionship.

Actually I haven't been kissing any non SP's at all. For many years.

If you are, I pity them, because based from your input in these threads it appears that you glady recieve bareback blowjobs from thai sex trade workers and make out with street walkers, are you that ignorant to put anyone else who is intimate with you at risk as well because of your unsafe sex practices?

Ditto my above comment. As i've been stating in recent posts, i don't even date women,
haven't for a long time, and have no desire to. What would be the point, when you have
nothing in common? Moreover it wouldn't be right, fair, or good for either of us. The
only way it might work would be with full disclosure to a sex maniac like myself.

Your input has taught me/convinced me of nothing but other than to never book a call with a client named Lenny, lol.

If that happens, it wouldn't be me, anyway. You'ld have just lost a client ;

 

[HubbaHubba]

Actually I haven't been kissing any non SP's at all. For many years.

LMAO....real shocker

 

[sonoman]

I've come across even low track SWs who refuse to kiss at all, or only with a closed mouth.

Why in hell do you even seek/accept uncovered services from low-track SW's anyway?? I know this is painting with a broad brush, but I think we all can assume that the risks are going to be much higher with that demographic.

 

[lenny]

Why in hell do you even seek/accept uncovered services from low-track SW`s anyway?? I know this is painting with a broad brush, but I think we all can assume that the risks are going to be much higher with that demographic.

Putting a condom on my tongue for kissing would be weird, don`t you think? BBFS is out of the question, even if the lady has provided me with her blood tests showing all negative results. BTW i have asked for and recieved such down there. As for why would around 27% of PERB voters go to SWs, the streetwalker thread/poll started by dood discussed that already:


1. Money...SWs can be much more economical, especially if you are into a couple hours a day.

2. Thrills...such as doing it outside, standing in the alley, or in your car, etc.

3. Compassion...some guys feel sorry for these women, want to help, protect them. Give the
HIV infected a hug. So figure if they are going to poon anyway, it may as well be there.
Every second they are with a decent guy, they are not with an abuser like Pickton.

4. Convenience...for various reasons, some may feel they are easier to hook up with. Not
so many do`s and don`ts, or hoops to jump through, for example.

5. Privacy...They don`t require you provide them with any personal info.

6. Postpayment...quite easy to get agreement here, probably moreso than advertisers.

7. SP Cruiser brought up a very important point here. With many online and newspaper advertising
SP`s not having any face picks on their website or in their ad, or often a purposely blurred one,
they are at a disadvantage to SWs. Pooners can not only see them from their vehicle, but also
park, walk up to them for a closer look, and have a free chat to get a feel for the SW. Some-
times she will want to get a "feel" of you too, to assure herself you are not LE.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ho-uses-them&p=1060512&highlight=#post1060512

As for the risks being "much higher", how high is high, & do you have stats/proof to back that up?
I`ve read of SP`s here who use drugs, see homeless clients, clients who visit SWs, etc. How many
SP`s have shown you their STD test results?

 

[HB40]

BBFS is out of the question, even if the lady has provided me with her blood tests showing all negative results.
BTW i have asked for and recieved such down there.

I'm assuming you mean test results and BBFS, not that I'm judging, I just think it should be noted for emphasis.
You can add this to my list of reasons why I think no one in their right mind should ever see you....I'm sure I don't need to explain my reasoning.

unfuckingbelievable!

 

[HubbaHubba]

Putting a condom on my tongue for kissing would be weird, don`t you think? BBFS is out of the question, even if the lady has provided me with her blood tests showing all negative results. BTW i have asked for and recieved such down there. As for why would around 27% of PERB voters go to SWs, the streetwalker thread/poll started by dood discussed that already:


1. Money...SWs can be much more economical, especially if you are into a couple hours a day.

2. Thrills...such as doing it outside, standing in the alley, or in your car, etc.

3. Compassion...some guys feel sorry for these women, want to help, protect them. Give the
HIV infected a hug. So figure if they are going to poon anyway, it may as well be there.
Every second they are with a decent guy, they are not with an abuser like Pickton.

4. Convenience...for various reasons, some may feel they are easier to hook up with. Not
so many do`s and don`ts, or hoops to jump through, for example.

5. Privacy...They don`t require you provide them with any personal info.

6. Postpayment...quite easy to get agreement here, probably moreso than advertisers.

7. SP Cruiser brought up a very important point here. With many online and newspaper advertising
SP`s not having any face picks on their website or in their ad, or often a purposely blurred one,
they are at a disadvantage to SWs. Pooners can not only see them from their vehicle, but also
park, walk up to them for a closer look, and have a free chat to get a feel for the SW. Some-
times she will want to get a "feel" of you too, to assure herself you are not LE.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ho-uses-them&p=1060512&highlight=#post1060512

As for the risks being "much higher", how high is high, & do you have stats/proof to back that up?
I`ve read of SP`s here who use drugs, see homeless clients, clients who visit SWs, etc. How many
SP`s have shown you their STD test results?

hey hugzy, need lenny say anything more? why don`t you chime in on your thoughts on this gem.